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Thursday, March 08, 2007

Just to Show You Where Republican Priorities Are When It Comes to Justice and Ethics

First off, thanks for the great idea for the title Rob, I hope you like it. A few days ago I posted on the recent firing of more than a half a dozen US Attorneys for false reasons. The post did contain a bit too much profanity, for which I apologize.

In the interim, I had a chance to speak with a close friend of mine who was formerly a Bush appointed US attorney (and probably would have been axed if he still was one as he is a very hard working and ethical person) and is now a circuit court of appeals judge. He knew all the fired US attorneys personally and reaffirmed my hunch that all these people were very hardworking and highly ethical people, the types one would wish to be US attorneys, whether appointed by a democrat or a republican. Obviously it would be very disturbing, perverse (to put it lightly), if our federal prosecutors adopted the use partisan litmus tests before pursuing justice.

He had more to say. This type of thing is 100% unprecedented in history. The US attorney from NM that received a majority of the attention in my previous post was fired on the grounds that he could have been working harder. This is a blatant lie. David Iglesias was an extremely hard-working and ethical person. He took part in a US-Canada-Mexico cooperation project on border security which involved lots of travel and late nights and was a volunteer thing. Not only was he hard working and ethical, he even took on extra, voluntary work in addition to his regular schedule. In addition he resisted the urges of both the senators from his state to reveal the contents of classified, sealed envelopes and also to speed up the process in a democrat corruption case in anticipation of the November elections. He did not capitulate to the illegal requests of these lawmakers and was abruptly hung up on by both of them.
When Iglesias told Wilson that he couldn’t speak about the existence of sealed indictments, “She was not happy with that answer,” he said, and their call ended a short time later.


The lady US attorney from California who was fired, Carol Lam, was supposedly fired because, “because her prosecution rate for violent crime and border violations was insufficient”, however she also happens to be the prosecutor in the Abramoff debacle.
John McKay, the fired U.S. attorney in Seattle, said he stopped a top aide to Rep. Doc Hastings, R-Wash., from asking him detailed questions about an investigation into the disputed election of Washington state’s Democratic Gov. Christine Gregoire in 2004.


Deputy Attorney General Paul J. McNulty told senators earlier this month that one of the seven prosecutors was forced out to give his post to a former aide to presidential adviser Karl Rove. The others were fired for “performance-related” reasons, he said.

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Chiara [the first female US attorney from Michigan] was nominated by President Bush for the position in 2001. During her tenure as U.S. attorney for the Western District of Michigan, the jurisdiction has seen a 15 percent increase in felony prosecutions and convictions. She developed an attorney training and mentoring program that now serves as a national model, her office said.


Moschella, the Justice Department’s principal deputy associate attorney general, acknowledged the dismissals were poorly executed. “In hindsight, it could have been handled better,” Moschella said. “It would have been much better to address the relevant issues [with each U.S. Attorney] upfront.”

Despite Moschella's criticisms, all ... had received positive evaluations from the Justice Department during periodic performance reviews.


Apparently these people were fired for over-performing, for resisting the urges of politicians to compromise the integrity of the US justice system with partisan-motivated, illegal activities. A quick review of their replacements reveals a group that, when compared to the shoes they are filling, are practically without experience. While this whole thing is not illegal, these people are all ‘at-will’ employees of the government, it is 100% unethical. If anything, the current administration should have held these people up as examples of excellent Americans, all of them being long-time public servants, hardworking, and dedicated to justice and ethics above and beyond petty politics and illegal hackery.

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Sparkie,

I’ll freely acknowledge that I know very little about the specifics of these firings.  It’s not an issue I have followed… yet.  But this particular statement,

This type of thing is 100% unprecedented in history.

is pure, unadulterated donkey dross!  One of President Bill Clinton’s first acts in office (besides raising taxes) was to fire ALL the US Attorneys then serving.


“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Bat One on March 8, 2007 at 05:41 pm

Bat
US attorneys are appointed by the pres. what i mean is no pres has ever fired all his own us attorneys like this.


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This type of thing is 100% unprecedented in history.

Yeah! If history began with the current Bush administration!
Didn’t Attorney General Janet Reno fire 93 US attorneys, who were conducting a Justice Department inquiry into Rep. Dan Rostenkowski?



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Attorney General Alberto Gonzales recently told the Post: “Every U.S. attorney, like the attorney general of the United States, serves at the pleasure of the president. “We can be asked to leave at any time; we can be asked to leave for any reason.”

Bear defecates in woods - Sparkie at a loss for words! Pictures at 11:00…



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Proof on March 8, 2007 at 05:55 pm

proof:

While this whole thing is not illegal, these people are all ‘at-will’ employees of the government, it is 100% unethical.

did you read the thing?


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on March 8, 2007 at 06:03 pm

proof
there are only 92 us attorneys. liar.


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there are only 92 us attorneys.

Well, yes..on your planet!



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Proof on March 8, 2007 at 06:19 pm

Sparkie,

The correct number of fired US Attorneys is eight.  And while you, and any number of others may not agree with their firings, for whatever reasons partisan or personal, recounting in glowing terms each of their many positive attributes like some sort personalized job performance evaluation is unlikely to accomplish much of anything.

Beyond that, I have to say labeling the firings as “100% unprecedented” and “100% unethical” is a rhetorical stretch of no small magnitude.

To be sure, a little bit of indignant embellishment in these matters is expected and often adds to the color and flavor of our discussions.  As Randy put it last night, “… a little bit of ‘Yo’.”

Just don’t let yourself get caught berating someone else’s indignant embellishments.


“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Bat One on March 8, 2007 at 06:25 pm

sorry. there is 93. gosh darn wikipedia.
at any rate. when one gets elected, generally if there is a party switch, you fire the cronies from the last guy and put in different attorneys. in other words, during bush’s time in office, his attorneys may push more often for the death penalty for federal crimes where its applicable even in states that don’t have the death penalty. if clinton is president, even though there is a federal death penalty, he would probably not push for states where they don’t have it. ashcroft made his us attorneys do that. all are still in appeals. i’m sure clinton is also not gonna use the death penalty as much in states where they have it if hes in power. you know? at any rate, there is no precedent for firing this many us attorneys with good track records, exemplary ones in fact, that were appointed by the same pres… and being replaced by rookies (in comparasion to those leaving).


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on March 8, 2007 at 06:27 pm

You repeatedly use the words “hard woking” and “ethical” in reference to lawyers. I don’t think those words mean what you think they do.


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2Hotel9 on March 8, 2007 at 06:33 pm

Beyond that, I have to say labeling the firings as “100% unprecedented” and “100% unethical” is a rhetorical stretch of no small magnitude.

i just thing its effed up to fire these hardworking, lifelong public servants, after all their years and hard work, and say its performance-based when they are all working hard and doing a great job. you are publicly lying about their ability to do their job and pushing them out and replacing them with rookies who are more malleable to illegal dealings. its effed up. i genuinely am upset, as a citizen of the country they have served so well, that the country has done this to them.

frankly, i think the amount of work these people do at their jobs would make most people who work ‘9-5’ pale.


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on March 8, 2007 at 06:34 pm

2h9
was that enough?
hard working.

hard working.


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on March 8, 2007 at 06:37 pm

We just did a quick survey. The words you actually mean to use are “vampiric” and “extortionic”. Had to do a bit-o creative spelling to grasp the subtle nuance of the subject. And because “fuck” was an integral part of all 7 answers.


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2Hotel9 on March 8, 2007 at 06:38 pm

And spark? Each one of them has a nice, high paying, private sector job before they even clean their desk off.

Lawyers are shit and the root cause of 99.99% of all evil in the world.


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2Hotel9 on March 8, 2007 at 06:41 pm

Oh, and spark? When your personal Jesus, William Jefferson, took office he cleared out all but 2 US Attorneys in one fell swoop. For no apparent reason. Imagine that.


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2Hotel9 on March 8, 2007 at 06:45 pm

Lawyers are shit and the root cause of 99.99% of all evil in the world.

which is why we should retain the good ones.

your personal Jesus, William Jefferson, took office he cleared out all but 2 US Attorneys in one fell swoop. For no apparent reason

other than they were the product of 12 yrs of GOP. so? BTW he aint my personal jesus bra!


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on March 8, 2007 at 06:51 pm

As regards lawyers, I once heard it suggested that the concept of “fair trade” should require that for each Honda, Toyota, and Nissan sold in the US, one attorney-at-law should be exported to Japan.

Mao Tse-Tung, on the other hand, thought it expedient to line up all the lawyers and shoot every other one… presumably leaving quite an impression on those remaining.


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Mao Tse-Tung, on the other hand, thought it expedient to line up all the lawyers and shoot every other one…

See what happens when you rely on half measures!



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Proof on March 8, 2007 at 07:08 pm

2H9,

My friend… could you find something a bit less personal than “vampiric,” please?


“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Bat One on March 8, 2007 at 07:09 pm

Leachish really did not poll well. Apparently the leach community was offended. Sorry.


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2Hotel9 on March 8, 2007 at 07:19 pm

extortionic

is that even a word?


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on March 8, 2007 at 07:23 pm

As applied to lawyers? Yes.


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2Hotel9 on March 8, 2007 at 07:36 pm

Oh, and spark, you feel it is Okeydokey for your party, the Democrat Party to inject politics into firing US Attorneys but not Republicans. Sweeeet.


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2Hotel9 on March 8, 2007 at 07:38 pm

2h9.
ya bra. whatever. i said they’re gonna fire the ones appointed by the other party. bfd. that’s political and both parties do it. my post is about a specific incident, but if the dems had done it the post would probably look exactly the same minus the names and the specific details.

i got a nice little post in the works for the free market people…


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on March 8, 2007 at 07:54 pm

If McKay failed to follow due diligence in pursuing the 2004 governor’s case, why shouldn’t he get fire? 

Of course this reason is merely a “persistent rumor,” and vI guess we can all see Sparkie’s standard of proof when condemning Republicans.

Carol Lam’s head has been on the chopping block for a while for her failure to enforce existing law with respect to border violations. In another thread, we will see Sparkie bitch (his speciality apparently) about Bush not enforcing the law with respect to border violations.

I have yet to see a thread that remotely makes sense how pressure from congressmen could have much of an effect on the Justice Department.  Though no doubt, in another thread, master-bitchup Sparkie will complain about Bush not listening to congress.  I’m not going to dismiss them out of hand, but extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. .

It never occurs to Sparkie that the stated reason for a firing may in fact be the actual reason for a firing.  And as to “positive job evaluations,” well that would be from their superiors, but in the end they answer to the President, not just to their superiors. 

I suspect, it will turn out that General Weightman (who ran Walter Reed before his firing) had superior job evaluations as well.  I also understand that “Brownie” was doing a great job.  LOL.

Carrick on March 8, 2007 at 08:12 pm

Carol Lam’s head has been on the chopping block for a while for her failure to enforce existing law with respect to border violations. In another thread, we will see Sparkie bitch (his speciality apparently) about Bush not enforcing the law with respect to border violations.

we all know bush doesnt like closed borders. that just points supports the contention that the reasons are crap.

Sparkie will complain about Bush not listening to congress

i will?


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on March 8, 2007 at 08:18 pm

most comments of any post on the reader front page and its only second from the top. musta done something right.

hayek tomorrow night. you will like that one.


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on March 8, 2007 at 08:38 pm

You are going to post pics of Salma Hayek? I’ll be here with bells on.


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2Hotel9 on March 9, 2007 at 04:49 am

Sparkie:

we all know bush doesnt like closed borders. that just points supports the contention that the reasons are crap.

I think this proves my point.  Sparkie’s reasoning is completely circular.

Carrick on March 9, 2007 at 05:20 am

carrick
why is my reasoning circular? bush fires this lady from california for being weak on border prosecution, yet he prefers open borders. this excuse for doing away with her is as BS as the others. perhaps his belief in the free market bucks the nationalistic rationale to seal the border. almost all free market thinkers feel, upon inspection, that nationalism is opposed to the proper function of a free market. its ok. bush is probably just trying to spin it as another ‘tough on illegals’ thing that is a simple, token effort to appease the closed-border crowd while he lets them pour in. there was another single business bust this weekend. it was all over the news in the NE. somewhere in Mass. it was great beause it laid plain the idiocy on both sides. the media printed only pictures of crying babies that belonged a worker. and if they printed the workers they never used the term illegal and they made sure all the pictures of them were of ones with Red Sox hats on. meanwhile, the local talk radio rightwingers were trumpeting it despite the fact that its a charade. there are 300 fed employees for monitoring/enforcing the hiring of illegals by us businesses domestically, while there are 20,000 border people. if we stop em on the way in that’s great, but after they get in they can have at whatever the hell they want. that’s why bush’s claim that she was weak on the border is foolish. one must work on the role that the illegals travel here to fill, i.e. punishing employers who hire them - on a more than superficial basis. without that its foolish to expect the borders alone to address the issue. its silly. extreme lenience towards those that hire illegals is inconsistent with the claim that you are upset at someone for not dealing with another prong of the same exact issue.


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on March 9, 2007 at 06:55 am

I am reminded of when Nixon’s two top DOJ guys resigned instead of firing Cox when he was investigating Nixon.


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on March 9, 2007 at 07:30 am

Sparkie,

Why?


“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Bat One on March 9, 2007 at 08:03 am

Sparkie,

Why?

Right. I forgot. Those DOJ guys that resigned instead of firing Cox were ethical. You’re right Bat, its totally different. Woops.


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on March 9, 2007 at 08:35 am

Sparkie,

Oh, for heaven’s sake, grow up!  I give you far more credit than do most of the other conservative voices here.  Why not act like you deserve it?

Besides, I’m about the last person who needs words put in my mouth by someone else… and you are far from qualified in any case.

The point of my question wasn’t to provide you with the opportunity for some childish bit of snarky smart-ass, but to determine if there was any sort of situational similarity between the two instances you cite… such as a below the radar, ongoing DOJ investigation which in your friend’s view might have prompted these particular firings at this particular time.


“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Bat One on March 9, 2007 at 08:54 am

sorry.
that was kinda a joke. i don’t think there is any broad investigation going on, but my friend has been a judge since 2004 (i believe), so that’s a while ago.

it just irks me whenever any DOJ people are being political. it seems like they should be more insulated from politics. justice should pay attention to the laws and not the polls.

I give you far more credit than do most of the other conservative voices here.  Why not act like you deserve it?

You won’t be disappointed by my Hayek post. Trust me. The reasons you extend some credit my way will become more apparent instantly. Its a nice condenced version of a shit load of theory, made nice and approachable… I even suggest Hayek, Mr. Free Market, has some socialistic tendencies.


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on March 9, 2007 at 09:02 am

Furthermore, my position in the paper to come may or may not be a position a actually support in reality, but by adopting a certain stance I am able to draw out inconsistencies in Hayek’s theory while presenting alot of information. The paper therefore will also serve to disprove Carrick’s complaint that intellectual honesty is required for interesting and/or positive discussion. That contention of Carrick’s, I feel, is totally baseless.


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on March 9, 2007 at 09:12 am

perhaps his belief in the free market bucks the nationalistic rationale to seal the border. almost all free market thinkers feel, upon inspection, that nationalism is opposed to the proper function of a free market.

Another display of profound ignorance on your part, Sparkie.  National sovereignty is a political situation; free markets are an economic situation.  Your socialist mind can’t help but confuse the two, but they are not directly related.


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robert108 on March 9, 2007 at 09:18 am

National sovereignty is a political situation; free markets are an economic situation.

right. i forgot master.

NOT.

tonight I will make it perfectly clear that your above contention is total crap and that free marketism is not only inherently political, it is also opposed to nationalism.


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on March 9, 2007 at 09:43 am

"free marketism”????

You just make things up as you go along, Sparkie.
As usual, you have absolutely no idea of what you are talking about.


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robert108 on March 9, 2007 at 09:49 am

yea right.
the ‘its just economics’ fallacy is Marx’s fallacy. its kinda cute to see you making it here.


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on March 9, 2007 at 09:50 am

again.
my contention that none of you have read the background matierial for your respective positions is proven true. r108 evidences it readily.


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on March 9, 2007 at 09:53 am

something like property rights, which is key to free market ideals, is not solely economic. in order to argue that property rights should exist, one needs more than economics. for free marketism, one undoubtedly needs a very strong protection of property rights.


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on March 9, 2007 at 09:55 am

Your invention of “free marketism” is laughable, as usual with your stuff, but it only reveals your Marxist mindset.  Marx regarded everything as primarily political, just like you.  The fact is, a demand economic system functions better when the people in it are free.  I know you are confused about that word “free”, but it doesn’t mean “free to break the law”.  This is where your “logic” breaks down.  Illegal immigration is not an expression of freedom; it is the sign that the economy and society of the country of origin of the illegals is oppressive(socialism, totalitarianism).
In fact, the free market requires some structure, so your understanding of the term, as is usual for you, is simply wrong.


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robert108 on March 9, 2007 at 10:00 am

Marx regarded everything as primarily political, just like you.

bullshit. he felt everything, all of history, could be explained by market forces. you know not of what you speak.

the free market requires some structure

would that structure involve politics? i have a sinking feeling it might.


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on March 9, 2007 at 10:07 am

Your invention of “free marketism” is laughable

again. this is nothing. its a choice of words. remember when you launched into your tirade on where terrorism is ‘sourced’. that’s not a word either. so what?


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on March 9, 2007 at 10:09 am

again. this is nothing. its a choice of words. remember when you launched into your tirade on where terrorism is ‘sourced’. that’s not a word either. so what?

Once again, Sparkie, you display your profound ignorance.  What if I call you a “poodle dog”; it’s “just a word”, isn’t it?  Your invention of a term, “free marketism”, without even a feeble attempt to define it, is definitely laughable.
Your understanding of Marx is also laughable.  He had no concept of a demand oriented system, and he thought all markets should be rigged to accomplish his social and political goals.  Do try reading with comprehension before you speak and make a further fool of yourself.
The structure is moral standards combined with private ownership of property and capital.  Duh.  People like you constantly attempt to politicize those things, but that doesn’t mean they are originally political.


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robert108 on March 9, 2007 at 10:38 am

Your invention of a term, “free marketism”, without even a feeble attempt to define it, is definitely laughable.

get off it. crap objection.

He had no concept of a demand oriented system, and he thought all markets should be rigged to accomplish his social and political goals.

so are you saying he didn’t explain everything with market forces? because if that’s what you are saying you are 100% wrong.
you accuse me of nonsense, but this is nonsense:

The structure is moral standards combined with private ownership of property and capital.  Duh.

i don’t even think either of those is a proper sentence, a complete thought.


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on March 9, 2007 at 10:43 am

how do you suppose the gov’t is to prevent itself from manipulating the markets if it doesn’t restrict itself politically?


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on March 9, 2007 at 10:45 am

how do you suppose the gov’t is to prevent itself from manipulating the markets if it doesn’t restrict itself politically?

In the representative republic we have here in the US, Sparkie, it is the job of the electorate to choose politicians who serve the people.  I’m truly sorry you didn’t know that.


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robert108 on March 9, 2007 at 11:02 am

2h9
you’re a selma hayek fan eh? did you know she’s half labenese?
r108
ha ha ha. right. so it involves politics eh?


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on March 9, 2007 at 11:04 am

Your invention of a term, “free marketism”, without even a feeble attempt to define it, is definitely laughable.

get off it. crap objection.

Still no definition, I see.  Do you need more time to make it up?


Save America; boycott the MSM.

robert108 on March 9, 2007 at 11:04 am

Sparkie,

Good question.  Wrong syntax.

Government is not going to “restrict itself politically.” That task is for those who institute the government, and those who are governed.


“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Bat One on March 9, 2007 at 11:07 am

i’m not going to define it. if you don’t know what i mean when i say free marketism, that’s your own problem not mine… especially considering you trumpet it to the extent that you do.


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on March 9, 2007 at 11:07 am

bat or whoever.
you may want to step in an tell r108 to calm down a bit. at first i thought we were having a discussion of free market scenarios, but now apparently he’s turning it into a abortion debate by attempting to prove that normal people can be stupider than two-celled zygotes. given my sympathy for psychological views of personhood, this is a very wise move on his part. its either that or he’s trying to prove lying isn’t so bad in order to be consistent with his position that its ok to lie to the FBI under oath.


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on March 9, 2007 at 11:21 am

i’m not going to define it. if you don’t know what i mean when i say free marketism, that’s your own problem not mine… especially considering you trumpet it to the extent that you do.

You made it up, you define it.  I know you can’t, of course, since it’s just something you think makes you sound intelligent, when it fact it confirms your economic ignorance.

but now apparently he’s turning it into a abortion debate

You are the only one who has mentioned abortion here, so once again, you are making something up.  I know you are in way over your head in almost every discussion here, and I truly feel sorry for you, but you have brought this upon yourself by your own ignorance and lack of humility.


Save America; boycott the MSM.

robert108 on March 9, 2007 at 11:46 am

hee hee hee.


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on March 9, 2007 at 12:05 pm

Sparkie: From the total content of your posts on the subject, you couldn’t receive a passing grade in a first-year college econ course.


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robert108 on March 9, 2007 at 12:07 pm

hee hee hee.

When a fool hears the Truth, he laughs; if he did not laugh, it wouldn’t be the Truth.


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robert108 on March 9, 2007 at 12:08 pm

you couldn’t receive a passing grade in a first-year college econ course.

i can ace almost any class in almost any discipline. 1st year econ? ha.

kma.


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on March 9, 2007 at 12:09 pm

i can ace almost any class in almost any discipline. 1st year econ? ha.

Sparkie,

While we have only your word on this, I daresay a course on proper English grammar would give you at least as much trouble as would an Intro to Economics course.

R108,

Don’t be so quick-witted, here.  In the first place, Econ, Macro and Micro, are 200 level (Sophomore) courses.

Second, all of us might have more difficulty than we imagine.  Both Lord Keynes and Ken Galbraith are long dead and gone, but most college econ courses still begin and end with government control.  Those of us who understand free market capitalism, conceptually and in a practical vein, would be at a decided disadvantage to those who don’t know their assets from a hole in the ground.  In too many such courses it’s as if Milton Friedman had never lived at all.


“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Bat One on March 9, 2007 at 12:21 pm

bat or whoever.
you may want to step in an tell r108 to calm down a bit.

Sparkie,

No thanks.  It’s actually a difference in tactical approach between R108 and me.

I abhor violence, so I’m inclined to start slowly at the extremities, either destroying joints along the way, or inflicting a series of small cuts with a sharp instrument.

Robert’s approach is a bit less subtle, actually.  He drops a large rock or cinder block on his opponent’s head and then challenges ‘em to get back up again.


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Bat One on March 9, 2007 at 12:30 pm

Robert’s approach is a bit less subtle, actually.  He drops a large rock or cinder block on his opponent’s head and then challenges ‘em to get back up again.

Very good!  It does depend somewhat on the opponent, in that an interesting opponent gets a more nuanced approach.  The profoundly ignorant aren’t really worth the effort, and wouldn’t understand it, anyway.  They do understand the “large rock”, though.


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robert108 on March 9, 2007 at 12:36 pm

bat
unfortunately for r108, when one drops a cinderblock on their opponents head, its help if the battle is actually taking place and not occuring in a castle in the clouds.

what he said about free marketism having nothing to do with politics is worng. what he said about marx is wrong. his major argument here is that ‘free marketism’ is not a word. i don’t feel like i’ve been struck with a cinderblock, rather that i’ve stubbed my toe on one, an immovable one, on my way to the checkered flag.

i was joking again. i need no help arguing with r108.  i just couldn’t believe you guys were letting him spew so much bullcrap without pointing out how fooish it all is. when i say foolish things, y’all are like a bunch of sharks in a swimming pool full of blood.

also bat, why don’t you proofread the paper i post tonight? i would submit that there is a bit of a difference between a post on a blog and a term paper.


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on March 9, 2007 at 12:38 pm

i can ace almost any class in almost any discipline.

with the exception of 3rd grade spelling:

half labenese?

electnixon on March 9, 2007 at 12:38 pm

Still no definition of “free marketism” from Sparkie.
C’mon, Sparkie, educate us!


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robert108 on March 9, 2007 at 12:38 pm

electnixon and bat
if you guys think college is like posting on a blog from work, you’re wrong.

nick personal attack, but no beans chumps. in all the classes i took above the 200 level in college, my GPA was a 4.0. only the lower classes prevented my entire college career from being perfect.


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on March 9, 2007 at 12:43 pm

what he said about free marketism having nothing to do with politics is worng.

You lie again, Sparkie.  There is no such thing as “free marketism”, except in your mind.  You made it up, and you are unable to define it.  I never said that the free market has nothing to do with politics; so you made that up as well.  Actually, the free market works better with more freedom, and that includes freedom from rigging for political purposes.  Duh.


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robert108 on March 9, 2007 at 12:48 pm

if you guys think college is like posting on a blog from work, you’re wrong.

Cuz none of us uneducated ND rubes would know anything about was college is like, eh?

Actually, I took an english class that was entirely online.  It was very much like a blog.  You would post a composition and other class members would read it and make comments on it.  There was also a chat room where we would meet during class time.  I’m not saying that it was all that difficult or that I learned much.  I recall Differential Equations requiring a lot more time & effort.  Microeconomics was a breeze my first semester freshman year.  I still remember learning about inferior goods every time I eat ramen noodles…

I don’t recall if being able to spell “Lebanese” or “Salma” was all that important, but even in non-english classes, points were deducted for such mistakes.

electnixon on March 9, 2007 at 12:54 pm

Cuz none of us uneducated ND rubes would know anything about was college is like, eh?

heh what a maroon.
...what college is like

electnixon on March 9, 2007 at 12:55 pm

Cuz none of us uneducated ND rubes would know anything about was college is like, eh?

that’s not what i was saying at all and you know it.


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on March 9, 2007 at 12:57 pm

also bat, why don’t you proofread the paper i post tonight? i would submit that there is a bit of a difference between a post on a blog and a term paper.

Sparkie,

I’d be honored to do so.  Care to offer up a preview?


“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Bat One on March 9, 2007 at 01:10 pm

bat
its at home so i’ll post it around 4 or 5 eastern. its about 7 or 8 pages printed. its a quick overview of F. Hayek’s basic position, incorporating about 10 or 13 sources into one, and a criticism of his socialist tendencies… that’s right, calling the granddaddy of the chicago school a socialist. what fun!
you’ll like it. there is some really cool stuff in it.


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on March 9, 2007 at 01:38 pm

Sparkie,

I’m not sure that “grandaddy of the chicago school” is appropriate.  More like a benevolent, ideological uncle… or godfather… perhaps.

In any event, I’ll be delighted to take a look.


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Bat One on March 9, 2007 at 0