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Friday, May 04, 2007

Jorge 40

Uribe is Bush's best buddy in South America. Unfortunately, Uribe’s party members have been dropping like flies in the wake of the capture of Jorge 40’s laptop for having big time connections to right wing paramilitary groups in Columbia who are listed in the US as terrorists and are essentially a militant wing of Uribe’s party. Uribe received praise for demilitarizing the death squads, but the laptop contained evidence that was entirely a farce.
The computer, seized by investigators, contains details of 558 murders ordered by northern Colombian paramilitary chief Rodrigo Tovar, alias Jorge 40, who is now in custody.

It is a trove of evidence showing long-suspected links between paramilitaries and authorities reaching as high as Congress. And it casts doubt on the process by which more than 30,000 paramilitaries, including Jorge 40, have turned in their guns over the last three years in exchange for reduced jail terms and other benefits.

The paramilitary demobilization is hailed as a main achievement by President Alvaro Uribe, re-elected in May for his U.S.-backed efforts at ending this Andean country's 4-decade-old guerrilla war.

But the computer files show how Jorge 40 tricked the government into believing he was dismantling his nefarious empire while in fact trying to expand it, according to police reports leaked to the media in recent weeks. They include details of cocaine smuggling routes as well as names of "friendly" police and allies in the Senate and lower house of Congress.

"This is the first hard evidence of something we all knew about but found hard to prove," said political commentator Ricardo Avila.

"The big question is if Jorge 40 is going to tell everything when he appears before a judge. If he doesn't, he might lose his demobilization benefits. If he does, his words would have enormous political implications," Avila said.

At least 10 percent of all local government, health and public service contracts in the northern provinces of Atlantico, Magdalena and Bolivar wound up in Jorge 40's pockets, the computer files reveal.

The files include the date and place of 558 murders, most of which have gone uninvestigated.

The victims, named in the files and believed to have ended up in secret mass graves, include merchants who were late in making extortion payments, union members and people suspected of sympathizing with Marxist insurgents.
In addition, a US company, Drummond Co. Inc. is about to stand trial in the US for making a payoff to Jorge 40 in return for the murder of two coal mine union bosses.
A feared paramilitary boss has been charged with ordering the killings of two union leaders at a coal mine owned by Drummond Co. Inc., an Alabama company being tried in a U.S. court for alleged complicity in the deaths.

Rodrigo Tovar Pupo, better known as "Jorge 40," is accused of ordering hit men to kill the two men, the federal prosecutor's office said in a statement Thursday.

Former Colombian federal intelligence official Rafael Garcia has said he witnessed the president of Drummond's Colombian subsidiary deliver a briefcase full of money to paramilitaries led by Tovar to pay for the killings.

Drummond officials deny any involvement in the killings or ties to the far-right militias, and the Birmingham, Alabama-based company is not facing criminal charges in Colombia, though the investigation is continuing.

A trial of Drummond for alleged involvement in the killings of Victor Orcosia and Valmore Locarno and a third worker is set to begin July 9 in a U.S. federal court in Birmingham.
I hope this company is tried for aiding terrorists because that's exactly what they are doing.

In 2004, a rift opened up between the members of the AUC and all the leaders who opposed the AUCs disturbingly close ties to narcotraffickers were assassinated.
Paramilitary leader Carlos Mauricio Garcia alias "Doble Cero" or "Rodrigo", who since the 1980s had been a close associate of Castaño within the AUC, was found dead on May 30, 2004. He had strongly objected to what he considered an improperly close relationship between the AUC and drug traffickers, and was also opposed to the group's talks with the government. "Double Zero" had fallen into disgrace in recent years, leading to the formation of his own independent "Bloque Metro", which operated in the Antioquia area until it was exterminated by rival paramilitary commanders from the AUC mainstream.

Separately, in events which remain clouded and confusing, former AUC supreme leader Carlos Castaño, who had become relatively isolated from the organization, apparently suffered an attempt on his life on April 16, 2004, presumably at the hands of either his own bodyguards, those of rival paramilitary troops, or perhaps even other entities altogether. Acting AUC commanders claim to believe that there was an accidental exchange of gunfire between his bodyguards and a separate group of paramilitary fighters, but that he may still be alive and possibly in hiding.

Other independent sources within the group and among its dissident factions claim that he and his men were captured and tortured before being executed and then buried by order of other AUC top leaders, who have become increasingly close to narcotraffickers and their trade. Colombian investigators found a makeshift grave and an unidentified body near the supposed area of the events. Those same sources allege that the bodies of Castaño and his other companions were dug up and taken to other locations before the investigators could arrive.
This comes to no surprise to me, seeing as many of the drug czars of South America are on the Army payroll for intelligence reasons. More than likely it was US money that was used to kill the few remaining members of the AUC opposed to narcotrafficking. Indeed, CATO offers us this:
Washington has placed great confidence in the willingness of Colombian President Alvaro Uribe to wage a vigorous war on drugs. But a 1991 assessment by the Defense Intelligence Agency concluded that Uribe was in league with drug trafficking organizations. Indeed, the DIA concluded that Uribe himself was one of the top 100 drug traffickers.


Bush is a hypocrite for giving tons of money to a country whose right wing terrorists are heavily intertwined with the former drug czar Uribe’s ruling party.

Comments

Are you talking about this thread? It’s still there. It’s on the second page of posts now.

likwidshoe on May 4, 2007 at 07:35 am

WTG Sparkie.

You’ve shown that brilliant intellect once again.


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on May 4, 2007 at 07:40 am

My bad, it was quickly moved to page two instead of disappearing. How guile.


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on May 4, 2007 at 07:43 am

Dude, are you kidding me? You went on about possible censorship, then went on to change your post when alerted to the fact that no censorship was taking place?

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likwidshoe on May 4, 2007 at 07:50 am

That’s hard to read. I had tried to crop it down so that it would fit into these boxes. Here’s the link.

likwidshoe on May 4, 2007 at 07:53 am

That post was moved. You guys can deny it all you want, but moving it onto page two is tantamount to censorship.


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on May 4, 2007 at 07:57 am

That post was moved. You guys can deny it all you want, but moving it onto page two is tantamount to censorship.

Nobody moved it. Sometimes the posts get posted ahead of or behind the time stamp for some reason and we can’t figure out why. Much like the infamous “Cimpy McHitler” of a few days ago, it’s a problem with a solution that eludes.

Stop while you’re ahead.

Damn dude. I just got done telling The Whistler that you wouldn’t change your post when shown wrong, that you’re an honest guy, and now you’re making me eat my words. Thanks a lot.

likwidshoe on May 4, 2007 at 08:01 am

Btw, look at the timestamps. They weren’t changed. That post is exactly where it should be.

Just keep in mind that Rob posts like a gerbil on cocaine. Posts fly off the front page.

likwidshoe on May 4, 2007 at 08:03 am

I didn’t put anything about censorship in the title because I have learned that the url doesn’t change if the title is edited. I suspected that the post would be put back or someone would try to pass it off. This morning I scrolled through pages one through three before I posted this. The Pelosi-Uribe post was not there. Then I posted it. You guys with the power can make me look like a schmuck all you want. It makes no difference to me. Just don’t sit around and insult my ethics if posts are mysteriously appearing, disappearing, and reappearing elsewhere after accusations of censorship are made. That’s a f**king joke.


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on May 4, 2007 at 08:05 am

Next thing ya know, the New York Times will have a page one article detailing how Drummond’s VP for Human Resources once donated $500 to the GOP even though his father-in-law’s next door neighbor’s great uncle once worked for Haliburton, while his wife’s great aunt’s music minister at church got his undergraduate degree from Liberty, and by Gawd, the whole Bush administration foreign policy will go right down the tubes in the ensuing scandal.

//Sarcasm//


“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Bat One on May 4, 2007 at 08:05 am

Lik
Last night that post was next to the “Romney mocks...” post.


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on May 4, 2007 at 08:06 am

Actually the post is right in line according to the post identifier number.

So it hasn’t been moved. 

Here’s the proof:

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What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on May 4, 2007 at 08:08 am

Bush is a hypocrite for giving tons of money to a country whose right wing terrorists are heavily intertwined with the leader’s party.

The US regularly gives “foreign aid” to questionable countries, and has for a long time. The so-called “Palestinians” are one glaring example. If you really need to call someone names, Sparkie, try the Congress and the State Dept. You are getting a lot of mileage out of one laptop, BTW, but then BDS knows no reasonable bounds.


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robert108 on May 4, 2007 at 08:09 am

TW
I looked this morning before I posted the original edit. Like I said.


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on May 4, 2007 at 08:11 am

TW
I looked this morning before I posted the original edit. Like I said.

Golly most of us would quietly admit they made a mistake and apologized.

Thanks for helping me get one on Lik though.


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on May 4, 2007 at 08:13 am

Sparkie Arbuckle said, The Pelosi-Uribe post was not there. Then I posted it. You guys with the power can make me look like a schmuck all you want. It makes no difference to me. Just don’t sit around and insult my ethics if posts are mysteriously appearing, disappearing, and reappearing elsewhere after accusations of censorship are made. That’s a f**king joke.

Look at the comments. Nobody here edited all of the timestamps to those.

Is Google lying too? That screenshot was taken on May 2, 2007 17:40:58 GMT.

Now that you have that above link, this should be settled.

likwidshoe on May 4, 2007 at 08:14 am

You are getting a lot of mileage out of one laptop

well, there was a lot of stuff on that laptop. research it and see for yourself.


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on May 4, 2007 at 08:14 am

Yea. So I’m a liar and a troll. Whatev. I’m sorry - I distrust everything and everyone though - its a survival skill I have learned. I don’t really understand what the google link shows, but Rob’s warmness towards Uribe is telling. Rob is a sheeple who shelters himself from certain types of news… news that may reflect poorly on Bush and his GWOT.


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on May 4, 2007 at 08:18 am

Yea. So I’m a liar and a troll.

Let’s just call it a mistake and leave it at that.

Btw, we don’t appreciate the liar charge either. I personally may not agree too much with you Sparkie, but I took you to be an honest guy. If you have nothing else in this medium, you have to have your word.

likwidshoe on May 4, 2007 at 08:24 am

I agree. Perhaps I should cut out my limited endeavor in political blogging. I am a bit too much of a nutjob for this type of public performance. Uribe, nonetheless, is a sketchy guy whos party is heavily involved with terrorists.


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on May 4, 2007 at 08:28 am

I didn’t put anything about censorship in the title because I have learned that the url doesn’t change if the title is edited.

or maybe it was a gut feeling that I was wrong and may need to resurrect the post into something else. Gotta love the edit button.


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on May 4, 2007 at 08:29 am

From CATO:

Washington has placed great confidence in the willingness of Colombian President Alvaro Uribe to wage a vigorous war on drugs. But a 1991 assessment by the Defense Intelligence Agency concluded that Uribe was in league with drug trafficking organizations. Indeed, the DIA concluded that Uribe himself was one of the top 100 drug traffickers.


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on May 4, 2007 at 08:40 am

well, there was a lot of stuff on that laptop. research it and see for yourself.

No doubt, but how accurate is it?  Anyone can put anything on a laptop, as you should know.  This could easily be leftie disinformation, for all we know.
You are making the accusations, so the burden of proof is on you, Sparkie.

BTW, this comment by you is quite revealing:

I distrust everything and everyone though - its a survival skill I have learned.

Start with your own prejudices and biases.


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robert108 on May 4, 2007 at 08:41 am

Sparkie, it’s considered poor scholarship to do anything to your original text other than correct grammar or spelling errors.  You should have put an UPDATE:  at the bottom admitting that your original suppositions were in error.

We all make mistakes, jump to conclusions, etc, but you come out looking better in the end if you simply admitted that you had made an error once you realized it.

Carrick on May 4, 2007 at 08:57 am

...a 1991 assessment by the Defense Intelligence Agency concluded that Uribe was in league with drug trafficking organizations.

What did Clinton do about that when he assumed power?


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robert108 on May 4, 2007 at 09:05 am

Carrick
Thanks for that. I guess I’m just a ‘poor scholar’.


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on May 4, 2007 at 09:06 am
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For what it’s worth, here’s Google’s cached version of the post in question.

The time stamp on posts jumps around a bit with this blog software, and I’m not sure why.  It’s been an on going problem (like the sidebar issue).  It’s never really caused any problems, but if people are going to accuse me of deleting posts I guess I’ll put more effort into fixing it.

But, in this instance, why would I have deleted the Pelosi/Uribe post?  Was I supposed to know in advance that Sparkie was going to criticize my post?  Did I read his mind and disappear the post before he had a chance to look for it?

I can’t lay claim to those sort of powers, unfortunately.

The times on this blog, set by the server clock which I have no control over, are wonky.  I admit that.  But I don’t delete posts, and I don’t delete comments (except for spam), and I’ve been doing this long enough to have a good reputation on both counts.


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Rob on May 4, 2007 at 09:06 am

I don’t know r108. I’m guessing coddled him like Bush does?


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on May 4, 2007 at 09:07 am

Rob
Have I at least gotten you to think twice about Uribe?


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on May 4, 2007 at 09:09 am
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That post was moved. You guys can deny it all you want, but moving it onto page two is tantamount to censorship.

Damn! Same thing happens on my calendar every day! Thursday has already been censored on my PDA!



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Proof on May 4, 2007 at 09:13 am

I don’t know r108. I’m guessing coddled him like Bush does?

It’s obvious that this “problem"(another of your distractions, IMO) has been with us for a long time, but you call the President a hypocrite, without mentioning the real source of this “problem”.  Typical of the BDS sufferer.
In fact, this is just another nit-picky criticism from someone who can’t seem to manage a real cost/benefit analysis.  You keep harping on “mistakes” without mentioning accomplishments, which far outweigh the “mistakes”, especially in this administration.


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robert108 on May 4, 2007 at 09:14 am
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Sparkie, do you even know what my position on Uribe is? I called him a pro-US foreign leader, and he is.  He may be sketchy, but he certainly doesn’t deserve to be snubbed for the likes of Hugo Chavez.


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Rob on May 4, 2007 at 09:16 am

Who was pres in 1991? War on Drugs? What? KMA r108. You are an intellectual hooker/sheeple/hack.


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on May 4, 2007 at 09:17 am

Rob
Uribe’s country provides at least half of the cocaine headed north to us. Uribe’s party is complicit to it and profits off it. They kill opposition party members. Chavez’s country, despite being cut off from our anti-drug money captures 90% of the drugs headed north from S.America that get captured. Why then would we cut off our anti-drug money to him and continue to give it to a drug czar?


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on May 4, 2007 at 09:21 am

R108,

Not to demean your research acumen, but it occurs to me if that DIA assessment was a current one, directed at Hugo Chavez instead of Uribe, the hue and cry from the Left would be that after all it’s George Bush’s neocons over at DIA and they are all so rabidly anti-left, and besides LTG Michael Maples is originally from Texas, and we all know that means Bush, and Enron, and all those damn cowboys with guns…


“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Bat One on May 4, 2007 at 09:23 am

Who was pres in 1991? War on Drugs? What? KMA r108. You are an intellectual hooker/sheeple/hack.

Who was President from 1992-2000?  Always glad to make your head explode in juvenile namecalling, Sparkie.  You run out of reason so quickly and easily.


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robert108 on May 4, 2007 at 09:26 am

Rob: You know Sparkie is ignorant about international politics; don’t be so hard on the boy.


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robert108 on May 4, 2007 at 09:28 am

Sparkie is ignorant about international politics

This coming from the guy who doesn’t think Saudi Arabia is fundamentalist or involved in terrorism. Right.


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on May 4, 2007 at 09:37 am

This coming from the guy who doesn’t think Saudi Arabia is fundamentalist or involved in terrorism. Right.

Again you lie, Sparkie.  I said neither of those things.  I refuted your contention that SA is “a big problem”, that’s all.  Again, you display your ignorance.  BTW, nothing in your ad hominem displayed any knowledge of international politics, so if it was meant as some sort of refutation of what I wrote, it fell flat on its face, as usual.


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robert108 on May 4, 2007 at 09:47 am

Bat: You are spot on, of course.  No research was necessary, btw.  Res Ipsa Loquitur.


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robert108 on May 4, 2007 at 09:48 am

I refuted your contention that SA is “a big problem”, that’s all.

And you wuz wrong.


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on May 4, 2007 at 10:05 am

"Nuance warning!” What I actually said was that, compared to other problems facing us at this time, SA is not a big problem.  It might become so in the future, depending on how successful we are in dealing with the more pressing problems, but right now, Hugo Chavez is a bigger problem for us than SA is.
Of course, you may disagree, Sparkie, but try to come up with some sort of reasoned argument this time, if you can.  That would involve comparison, btw.


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robert108 on May 4, 2007 at 10:20 am

This has been hashed out already. Docdave followed that with a post on SA as being an achilles heel of the west and Joel sided with me. A rarity.


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on May 4, 2007 at 10:38 am

This is about degree, not absolutes.  On one level, any Islamic country is a potential problem; that is a fact.  However, it’s about priorities, and right now, SA is making mostly noises about being our ally, while there are other nations(as well as our own lefties) that are calling for our defeat and destruction.  IMO, the Congressional Dems are a bigger problem than SA is right now.


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robert108 on May 4, 2007 at 11:02 am

R108
You’re wrong. I don’t want to discuss it with you though. You are a ‘nuanced’ little squimer. Even if I make the case, you will simply explain that you agree and its what you really meant all along. You are an eel.


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on May 4, 2007 at 11:21 am

Lame excuses and namecalling; typical of you, Sparkie.  You know you are wrong here, which is why you are afraid to debate the matter.  Your opinions are your own, no facts need apply.


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robert108 on May 4, 2007 at 11:31 am

R108
Zing. More like rubbing your face in your uneducated and blindly obiediant Bushist stance AGAIN would just be annoying. Look up the old debate and see my arguments and the respective links. The most damning of which is here.

The U.S. government has warned that it will treat regimes that harbor or assist terrorist organizations the same way that it treats the organizations themselves. Yet if Washington is serious about that policy, it ought to regard Saudi Arabia as a prime sponsor of international terrorism. Indeed, that country should have been included for years on the U.S. State Department’s annual list of governments guilty of sponsoring terrorism.

The Saudi government has been the principal financial backer of Afghanistan’ s odious Taliban movement since at least 1996. It has also channeled funds to Hamas and other groups that have committed terrorist acts in Israel and other portions of the Middle East.

Worst of all, the Saudi monarchy has funded dubious schools and “charities” throughout the Islamic world. Those organizations have been hotbeds of anti-Western, and especially, anti-American, indoctrination. The schools, for example, not only indoctrinate students in a virulent and extreme form of Islam, but also teach them to hate secular Western values.

They are also taught that the United States is the center of infidel power in the world and is the enemy of Islam. Graduates of those schools are frequently recruits for Bin Laden’s Al-Qaeda terror network as well as other extremist groups.


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on May 4, 2007 at 11:48 am

Sparkie: No matter how much you cherry-pick and ignore, the reality is that there a great many more serious threats today than SA.  You continue to exaggerate according to your BDS prejudices, and to ignore real facts that happen to disagree with your prejudices, all the sign of a closed mind.  Rational people know that we can’t be everywhere at once, and so have to prioritize.  SA is not our highest priority, by a long shot.  Try to be rational, even for a few moments, instead of indulging in defending your fragile ego with nonsensical rants.


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robert108 on May 4, 2007 at 12:01 pm

r108
What countries would you consider to be higher priority and why?
Do you disagree that being close with SA contradicts the stated goals of Bush’s GWOT as CATO implies?


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on May 4, 2007 at 12:28 pm

What countries would you consider to be higher priority and why? All the countries who are actively calling for our destruction, fighting and killing us and our allies, and which are seeking nuclear weapons in an attempt at world domination.  Duh.
Do you disagree that being close with SA contradicts the stated goals of Bush’s GWOT as CATO implies? Not relevant to anyone but you and other BDS sufferers.  Implication is in the eye of the beholder.


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robert108 on May 4, 2007 at 06:58 pm

spark, sorry I’m late to the party. I have had posts appear to jump around and to not show for a few hours, I always figured it because SA has a lot of incoming posts. A system under a high volume load is clitchy. At least that is how Da Geek and Littlesister explained it to me last year, when I thought the problem was in my laptop. An epic struggle that Rob and Lik and Mark could tell you about. I was to the point of taking this laptop out and putting a box of 12ga rds through it.

As for Colombia, all 5 sides are vicious and brutal to the point of barbarity. Who do you suggest we deal with?


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2Hotel9 on May 5, 2007 at 05:34 am

I think Iran, Syria and Hamas are a bigger threat to the USA than Saudi Arabia.


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goon on May 5, 2007 at 06:32 am

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I think you are wrong. Saudi Arabia is where the teachers come from. If someone isn’t a brainwashed idiot, they aint going to blow themselves up. Saudi Arabia teaches and exports teachers to these places. The very fact they are dangerous has a lot to do with saudi arabia. also - iran is pissed because we coddle sa and they ar more extremeist than sa.

you guys are all, “what oon top the table” - too bad. there is stuff under the table.

iran, frankly, is not that much of a threat. that is the neocons newest big lie. hey, girls can drive there.

in syria membership in the muslim brotherhood is punishable by death. that means they are anti- al qaeda. did you know that?

do we read and poke around or take everything the lying douches say for the golden truth?

I disagree. There are other threats. the lawlessness in western africa is also a concern. wait a few years on that. indonesia.

the mutually parasitic economic relationship between us and sa is nice, but it doesn’t mean they aren’t a giant threat. the main mental motivator of all the fundamentalist terrorists around the globe. taliban financial backers palestines financial backers. i.e. hamas. iran and syria are the big lie. they are pissed over iraq. it rightfully makes them nervous as fuck. as cato’s expert points out, china, pakistan, and saudi arabia are all huge threats that are being ignored in a manner inconsistaqnt with the GWOT.


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on May 5, 2007 at 06:59 am

iran, frankly, is not that much of a threat. that is the neocons newest big lie. hey, girls can drive there.

Oh, well; there’s nothing to worry about then; girls can drive, and we all know what that means!
Nukes don’t matter; only that girls can drive.  Good thinking, Sparkie.  You are a very silly man.


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robert108 on May 5, 2007 at 07:20 am

R108
Nukes? Are you taking about Pakistan? How stable IS Pakistan R108?


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on May 5, 2007 at 12:09 pm
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