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The fact that McCain is so spineless makes me now believe that if Hillary Clinton doesn’t get the nod that Obama and all the evil he will bring may be what our country deserves

Stop playing God, Gene.  Only He will determine if the people need to be punished for their transgressions.  Besides the real evil as it were is in the secular tendency to move away from God which predates anything that Obama and McCain has done.  Indeed the court decisions on abortion, homosexuality and the phony seperation of state and religion have had a much greater moral impact than anything that has come out of the executive or legislative branchs of the Federal government.

You don’t have to be a moron to be a liberal Democrat but it sure helps.

Hagee is also the major Christian peddler of the Christian blood libel. The idea that Christianity is responsible for all of the world’s sins. The man may be a huge proponent of Israel, but he’s also a chump.

Obama/Biden is not change. It’s more of the same.

Blood libel, Kenny?  That’s a very serious charge, and I suggest that when you make it, you will do very well to substantiate it.

I’m no fan of Hagee, but let’s be careful in our criticisms here.

Parsley said that the Allah of Islam is not the God of Christ Jesus.  Is he?
By Gene on May 23, 2008 at 06:35 am

He may be right, but be advised that the God of Jesus Christ is also not the God of Jews.

Hagee said that God allowed Hitler’s Holocaust to drive people back to restore the Nation of Israel in fulfillment of Prophecy.  Didn’t He?
By Gene on May 23, 2008 at 06:35 am

No he did not! Why would the God that proclaims “love your enemy...”, kill so many for the benefit of so few even after he told us that “there shall be no Greek nor Jew… for we are all in the eyes of the Lord..”

Elianis,

Here is the scriptural basis for Hagee’s comment (with which I agree)

Jerimiah 16:
10 “When you tell these people all this and they ask you, ‘Why has the LORD decreed such a great disaster against us? What wrong have we done? What sin have we committed against the LORD our God?’ 11 then say to them, ‘It is because your fathers forsook me,’ declares the LORD, ‘and followed other gods and served and worshiped them. They forsook me and did not keep my law. 12 But you have behaved more wickedly than your fathers. See how each of you is following the stubbornness of his evil heart instead of obeying me. 13 So I will throw you out of this land into a land neither you nor your fathers have known, and there you will serve other gods day and night, for I will show you no favor.’

14 “However, the days are coming,” declares the LORD, “when men will no longer say, ‘As surely as the LORD lives, who brought the Israelites up out of Egypt,’ 15 but they will say, ‘As surely as the LORD lives, who brought the Israelites up out of the land of the north and out of all the countries where he had banished them.’ For I will restore them to the land I gave their forefathers.

16 “But now I will send for many fishermen,” declares the LORD, “and they will catch them. After that I will send for many hunters, and they will hunt them down on every mountain and hill and from the crevices of the rocks. 17 My eyes are on all their ways; they are not hidden from me, nor is their sin concealed from my eyes. 18 I will repay them double for their wickedness and their sin, because they have defiled my land with the lifeless forms of their vile images and have filled my inheritance with their detestable idols.”

the AVATAR
Old Tigers are more dangerous when they believe this could be their last hunt.

From , “The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen”
Old tigers, sensing the end,
they’re at their most fierce. 
And they go down fighting.

He’ll make Carter look good.

I was kind of assuming a Carter replay but you might be right.  He’s really coming into his own as the election gears up.  Not looking forward to the next several months. 

A thin skinned, connected with all kinds of evil, charming deceitful, amateur running the country.

I passionately hate the ‘messiah’ adoration and yours is my kneejerk reaction but it’s ill considered.  (I think.) Either way it’s not living the life that was promised.  (This is me trying to convince myself.)

Gene:

....if something happened to McCain before the convention.I can only hope.

You are, I have always assumed, a sincere man of God.  I hope your comment - quoted above - was said in a moment of thoughtless anger or frustration, and not out of conviction.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

“As a conservative, I will not be overly enthusiastic about voting for John McCain on November 4 - but I will be sprinting to the polling place to do so!”
Matthew May, conservative commentator, The American Spectator

PParets, Yes, that was more a Freudian slip than it should have been.

I don’t wish him harm, but if something happened I would hope that he who would stand in his place would have a larger pair than McCain appears to.

I’m just angry and sad, probably in more ways than one.

the AVATAR
Old Tigers are more dangerous when they believe this could be their last hunt.

From , “The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen”
Old tigers, sensing the end,
they’re at their most fierce. 
And they go down fighting.

Blood libel, Kenny?  That’s a very serious charge, and I suggest that when you make it, you will do very well to substantiate it.

Claiming that the Holocaust was a Christian endevour, Catholic in nature is a blood libel. Claiming that the pope blessed the murder of Jews in the Crusades and promised that anyone who did so would go to heaven is a blood libel. Claiming that anti-semetism was created by teh Catholic church is moronic and contributes to the idea that the Church has always been out to get the Jews.

Hagee has never been shy in proclaiming that every evil suffered by the Jews was the fault of the Catholic Church.

Obama/Biden is not change. It’s more of the same.

No, it is not.  The blood libel refers to claiming that Jews slaughtered goy children to make matzo for Pesach.  Let’s keep its meaning clear here.  If his statements are untrue, they are libel, but they are not the blood libel.

Oh, and by the way; sources, please.  Not even the Catholic League is saying what you’re saying.  Hagee has certainly made some intemperate statements, but I don’t find what you claim.

He may be right, but be advised that the God of Jesus Christ is also not the God of Jews.

Again you show that you know nothing about Christianity.

You don’t have to be a moron to be a liberal Democrat but it sure helps.

It would be the height of folly and stupidity to claim that the Roman Catholic Church has not been virulently anti-Semitic throughout most of its history and the Holy See remains antagonistic towards Israel to this very day. I am not attacking the RC, only stating an historical fact for accuracy sake.

Hagee, like too many sincere, gifted and even anointed ministers of the gospel has gotten into trouble for being too careless in their public statements and because they have too much entangled themselves with this world system (politics). Hagee, Wright and others should not be inviting politicians to speak before their congregations, they should not be endorsing or condemning political candidates, or even speaking about political issues in their pulpit. They need to teach God’s Word and if that is not sufficient to guide Christians in their voting; that is, if they rightly and consistently teach all of God’s Word, believers in the congregations should clearly know right and wrong from God’s point of view and vote their Christian conscience.

Likewise, other than speaking of their personal faith that voters might know their social-moral beliefs, politicians should neither seek nor accept endorsements from the clergy or any religous organization, to avoid the ‘appearance’ of being too attachedto one faith and antagonistic towards people of other faiths.

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

docdave and Gene: The God of the old testament was a vengeful one that at times demanded human sacrifice ie the killing of human beings.I have yet to find any such instuctions in the New Testament.The old Testament was fullfilled with the birth and subsequent death and resurection of Jesus. . The God of the new testament is a loving God.
Furthermore if one reads the Revelation or Apocalypse one finds that only 144.000 Jews are saved. Still cannot believe a God would kill so many for the benefit of so few. Especialy when He declared we are all equal. Never it is said in the new Testament that some are more equal than others.

The God of the old testament was a vengeful one that at times demanded human sacrifice ie the killing of human beings.

Wrong.  God is God, eternal and unchanging.  It was the perception of God by the people of that time.  As is typical of religion in general, they projected their own consciousness on God.

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ellinas: There is only ONE God, He is the same God from Creation to Revelation; the latter testament which by the way, is full of God’s Judgment. There is not a God of the Old Testament and a God of the New Testament! There is onje Triune God: Father, Son and the Holy Spirit and these three are One Almighty God, perfectly one in every possible way. I you condemn the actions of the God of the OT, you are condemning the God of the NT!

God will not send one soul to hell, that is a fact! Everyone that goes there will have gone there by their own freewill choice in rejecting Jesus as their Savior and Lord.

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

As is typical of religion in general, they projected their own consciousness on God.
robert108 on May 23, 2008 at 04:34 pm

Exactly my point. The God described in the old testament is the God the Jews projecting their own consciousness.
Thus you have: Old Testament,eye for an eye.
New Testament: Love your enemies. If one slaps your one cheek you should that present him the other cheek.
Neiman. God is the same. Peoples perception of God is different. Thus my statement that the God of the Jews (Old Testament) is not the same as the God of the Gentiles (New Testament).
The Jews rejected and still reject Christ. In doing so they have differentiated their God (Jewish) from ours (Christian).

So, this is how you justify your Jew-hatred?  Pathetic.

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Ellinas: I believe both you and Robert108 are wrong only in the sense that the God of the Old Testament, was not One projected by the Jews in their own consiousness. No, He personally revealed Himself to His Chosen people, He speaks in Holy Writ without repentance or excuse about His harsh Judgments upon those that forsook Him and sought after other God’s. What happened to the Jews and others in those days were for our admonition, as the judgments against those that rejected God were but physical examples of the judgment that awaits all that reject His Son.

The Old Testament was the time of the Law, a harsh, demanding and unforgiving system of works to earn God’s favor. The inability of anyone to perfectly obey the Law and His Judgments upon all, including Israel, was proof that man was thoroughly evil and that the only way anyone could be saved is if God gave us Salvation as a gift, a gift of His unmeritted favor (Grace). Every human being that would ever live had to be condemned, then everyone that would be saved would have to come to God on this new ground, accepting God’s Way unto Salvation through Christ. But, it was free to everyone (whosoever) would choose to believe God.

The Jews have never been anything less than the Apple of God’s Eye, His dearly loved Chosen people. Yes, they have been suffering under His heavy hand of Divine discipline for millenia for their rebellion, but this long time has given Gentiles (non-Jews) ample time to accept God’s Gift; and when the time of the Gentiles is ended, God promises to fully restore His people Israel and give the Jews that land forever, as He promised Abraham. Jesus will rule the earth in physical form from Jerusalem during the Thousand Year Peace. All of Israel will be saved and all the Jews will receive His favor, He has never turned His back on them. Yes, now they reject Christ, but soon that will all change and you will see Israel restored and the Jewish people fully redeemed.

Jews and Christians are all God’s Children, men have created enmity between them, but in Christ they are all brothers and sisters.

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

e, you are projecting YOUR beliefs on others.  What you believe about the God of the New Testament not being the God of the Old Testiment is not what most Christians believe and is not supported by Catholic church.

You don’t have to be a moron to be a liberal Democrat but it sure helps.

Yes, now they reject Christ, but soon that will all change and you will see Israel restored and the Jewish people fully redeemed.
Neiman on May 23, 2008 at 05:26 pm

Now they reject Christ Neiman? They have been rejecting him since the beginning.

....but soon that will all change and you will see Israel restored and the Jewish people fully redeemed.
Neiman on May 23, 2008 at 05:26 pm

Will not happen. The notion that the Jews will one day wake up and accept Christ is.......a falacy at best.
You say reddemed. Redeemed from what? Their denial and hostility towards Christ?

So, this is how you justify your Jew-hatred?  Pathetic.
robert108 on May 23, 2008 at 04:59 pm

You lying old geezer you. I have told you before. I am not a Jew hater. I am antisemitic. I dislike all semites. Jews and their brethren the Arabs.
Like I said before. God placed them next to each other as panishment for their sins.

e, you are projecting YOUR beliefs on others.  What you believe about the God of the New Testament not being the God of the Old Testament is not what most Christians believe and is not supported by Catholic church.
docdave on May 23, 2008 at 06:19 pm

Why should I care what the Catholic church supports?
If those Bible burning Jews think that “their God” is different from “our God” who am I to dissagree? Affer all they are the “Apple of God’s Eye, His dearly loved Chosen people.”

Ellinas: At least you have the honesty to admit your anti-semitism and the breadth of your negative feelings about Arabs and Jews. Honesty is hard to come by these days!

We have a difference of understanding of God, the Jews and the Word; but I know better than to try and debate and force my views, I have stated my beliefs and you have yours. It is a gentlemans disagreement!

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

I am not a Jew hater.

Yes, you are; your words convict you.

noun
Date:
1882

: hostility toward or discrimination against Jews as a religious, ethnic, or racial group
— an·ti–Se·mit·ic Listen to the pronunciation of anti–Semitic \-sə-ˈmi-tik\ adjective
— an·ti–Sem·ite Listen to the pronunciation of anti–Semite \-ˈse-ˌmīt\ noun

You lie, as usual, troll.

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No, it is not.  The blood libel refers to claiming that Jews slaughtered goy children to make matzo for Pesach.  Let’s keep its meaning clear here.  If his statements are untrue, they are libel, but they are not the blood libel.

Actually, that’s the current blood libel. The blood libel started in Greece by saying that the Jews were murderers, and engaged in human sacrifice. It has had incarnations through the years. While blood for matzo is usually a part....it is not always. The blood libel is a false accusation against a certain group (historically the Jews) of engaging in ritual sacrifice, usually of children. There is no one universal definition of the term, and it has indeed been used by secular groups...particularly against opponents of abortion.

Me calling Hagee’s comments “the new blood libel” on this site are nothing new, and are not limited to Hagee. Nor is the charge unfair that: comments that besmearch Christianity as a religion of killers are tantimount to a new blood libel. Included in this are the comments that: during the Crusades, the church sanctioned Jew killing, the Holocaust was a Christian endevour, the Church STARTED antisemitism, etc. And the new charge that the war in Iraq is a Christian war to kill Muslim children qualifies as well.

Hagee’s comments are from his book, In Defense of Israel (Chapter 3: Sins of the Fathers). They have also appeared in Jerusalem Countdown. These criticisms are not only factually incorrect, but malign entire peoples as being evil Jew killers. Hagee does a reverse “Who killed Christ? The Jews!” by claiming “Who killed the Jews? The Catholics!”

It would be the height of folly and stupidity to claim that the Roman Catholic Church has not been virulently anti-Semitic throughout most of its history and the Holy See remains antagonistic towards Israel to this very day. I am not attacking the RC, only stating an historical fact for accuracy sake.

There have been outbreaks of anti-semitic violence over history by everyone. Just as there were anti-Christian attrocities committed by Jews. Furthermore, most “anti-Semetism” has simply been condemnations of the Jews as rejecting Christ. Scripturally, this is sound. It is no more anti-semetic, than it is anti-Catholic to say that praying to saints for intercessions is a form of idolatry. The case of “Church wrongdoing” is based mostly on deliberate or honest misunderstanding of history. Labeling the Jewish massacres by unscrupulous crusaders as anti-semetic ignores the simple fact that the same crusaders murdered pagans and Christians as well. And communities of Jews were not only sheltered by Christians, but bloodshed was avoided by handing over plunder. Likewize, blaming the Church for the Spanish Inquisition (which was started by the Spanish crown) is likewize folly.

Blaming the church for centuries of anti-semetism is based on distortion, confusion, and inflation.

Hagee, like too many sincere, gifted and even anointed ministers of the gospel has gotten into trouble for being too careless in their public statements and because they have too much entangled themselves with this world system (politics).

Most of Hagee’s truly offensive comments were careful thought and proof read written articles and books. They are ones he has oft repeated in the SAME. EXACT. WAY. over and over.

They need to teach God’s Word and if that is not sufficient to guide Christians in their voting; that is, if they rightly and consistently teach all of God’s Word, believers in the congregations should clearly know right and wrong from God’s point of view and vote their Christian conscience.

There are many political issues that I would be disturbed if clergy didn’t speak out about them. Abortion, euthanasia, etc. Saying that clergy shouldn’t speak out on political issues is downright silly.

Obama/Biden is not change. It’s more of the same.