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Wednesday, February 14, 2007

Joe Wilson’s Lies

As a rule, bullies are insecure cowards deep down inside.  Their cowardice drives them to substitute bravado for caution.  Their arrogant insecurity makes them temperamental, belligerent, and easily ambushed or trapped.  In combat they are prone to getting themselves and others wounded or killed.  Which explains how Don Myers got himself in the position of defending the lies of former ambassador, Joe Wilson.  Shooting fish in a barrel with a 12 gauge shotgun shouldn’t be this easy.

Wilson’s premier appearance on the national stage was a New York Times OpEd on July 6, 2003, titled “What I Didn’t Find In Africa.”

Wilson’s story was that he was sent to Niger by CIA in response to an inquiry by Vice President Cheney about an intelligence report that Saddam Hussein had attempted to purchase uranium “yellowcake” from Niger.

In February 2002, I was informed by officials at the Central Intelligence Agency that Vice President Dick Cheney’s office had questions about a particular intelligence report. While I never saw the report, I was told that it referred to a memorandum of agreement that documented the sale of uranium yellowcake — a form of lightly processed ore — by Niger to Iraq in the late 1990’s. The agency officials asked if I would travel to Niger to check out the story so they could provide a response to the vice president’s office.

I spent the next eight days drinking sweet mint tea and meeting with dozens of people: current government officials, former government officials, people associated with the country’s uranium business. It did not take long to conclude that it was highly doubtful that any such transaction had ever taken place…

In September 2002, however, Niger re-emerged. The British government published a “white paper” asserting that Saddam Hussein and his unconventional arms posed an immediate danger. As evidence, the report cited Iraq’s attempts to purchase uranium from an African country.

Then, in January, President Bush, citing the British dossier, repeated the charges about Iraqi efforts to buy uranium from Africa…

The report of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, which refutes much of Wilson’s fabrications, is here.

Wilson’s most egregious lie was the manner in which he suggests that there was nothing to the Iraqi attempts to secure more yellowcake uranium, because that is NOT what he told the CIA upon his return.

Mayaki said, however, that in June 1999 a (redacted) businessman approached him and insisted he meet with an Iraqi delegation to discuss “expanding commercial relations” between Niger and Iraq.  …Mayaki interpreted (this) to mean that the delegation wanted to discuss uranium yellowcake sales. (SCCI Page 43)

As noted by Christopher Hitchens, that Iraqi delegation was headed by Saddam’s only western-based diplomat, Iraq’s former IAEA Representative and former head of the pre-1991 Iraqi nuclear weapons program, Wissam al-Zahawie.  Clearly he was not there to discuss trade in onions, cowpeas, or goatmeat.

Hitchens in turn quotes Sweden’s former UN Ambassador, co-founder of the Stockholm International Peace Institute, and former UNSCOM Head Inspector, Rolf Ekeus (who was once offered a $2.5 million bribe by Tariq Aziz, and who took part in the Kamel brothers’ debriefing,

One of my colleagues remembers Zahawie as Iraq’s delegate to the IAEA General Conference during the years 1982-84. One item on the agenda was the diplomatic and political fall-out of Israel’s destruction of the Osirak reactor (a centerpiece of Iraq’s nuclear weapons ambitions). . . . He was the under-secretary of the foreign ministry selected by Baghdad to represent Iraq on the most sensitive issue, the question of Iraq’s nuclear weapons ambitions. His participation as leader of the Iraqi delegation to the 1995 Non-Proliferation Treaty Review Conference merely confirms his standing as Iraq’s top negotiator on nuclear weapons issues.

Again from the SSCI report:

He (the CIA Officer) said he judged that the most important fact in the report (on Wilson’s trip) was that the Nigerien officials admitted that the Iraqi delegation has traveled there in 1999, and that the Nigerien Prime Minister believed the Iraqis were interested in purchasing uranium, because this provided some confirmation of foreign government service reporting. (SSCI Page 46)

In an interview with Committee staff, the former ambassador was able to provide more information about the meeting between former Prime Minister Mayaki and the Iraqi delegation.  The former ambassador said that Mayaki did meet with the Iraqi delegation but never discussed what was meant by ‘expanding commercial relations.’ (SSCI Page 44)

Wilson’s lie is a subtle one, but key nonetheless.  Wilson claims that his trip to Niger disproves the President’s “16 words” in the SOTU speech that Iraq had attempted to purchase more uranium yellowcake, but the reality is that his trip actually confirmed what the President said.  The President did not say that the forged contract documents were valid, or that there had actually been a sale to Iraq by Niger and subsequent delivery.  He merely stated that Saddam had attempted to acquire more uranium in Africa, which he had, as Wilson had in fact reported to CIA.

The next lie of Joe Wilson is his insistence that his wife Valerie “had nothing to do with” his selection for the trip to Niger.  Actually, according to the SCCI Report, this was Wilson’s second CIA –sponsored trip to Niger regarding the uranium trade, and in both cases, the person instigating his appointment as a clandestine source was his wife, Valerie.

The CPD reports officer told Committee staff that the former ambassador’s wife “offered up[ hi name” and a memorandum to the Deputy Chief of the CPD on February 12, 2002, from the former ambassador’s wife says, “my husband has good relations with both the PM (Prime Minister) and the former Minister of Mines (not to mention lots of French contacts), both of whom could possible shed light on this sort of activity…

The former ambassador had traveled previously to Niger on the CIA’s behalf (redacted).  The former ambassador was selected for the 1999 trip after his wife mentioned to her supervisors that her husband was planning a business trip to Niger in the near future and might be willing to use his contacts in the region.(SSCI Page39)

And,

On February 19, 2002, CPD hosted a meeting with the former ambassador, analysts from both the CIA and INR, and several individuals from the DO’s Africa and CPD divisions… an INR analyst’s notes indicate that the meeting was “apparently convened by (the former ambassador’s) wife who had the idea to dispatch him to use his contacts… (SSCI Page 40)

The next lie of Joe Wilson was his reason for going to Niger in the first place.  In his NYT OpEd above and in his book, public speeches and interviews, Wilson has insisted that his trip was made at the behest of Vice President Dick Cheney, who questioned a report about Iraqi attempts to acquire Niger yellowcake based on the forged contract documents peddled by Italian/French spy Rocco Martino.

But the forgeries didn’t show up until some 8 months AFTER Wilson’s Niger trip, in October of 2002, so they could not have been the basis for Cheney’s inquiry or Wilson’s trip.

Furthermore, it now turns out, thanks to the Libby trial, that Valerie Plame Wilson suggested sending her husband to Niger BEFORE the VP’s inquiry.  As Byron York notes

The story is contained in two (defense) exhibits, known in court as DX 66.2 and DX 66.3, entered into evidence by Libby’s defense team. The first is a CIA document headlined,

“Briefer’s Tasking for Richard Cheney on 02/13/2002.”

It begins:

Briefer: David D. Terry Briefing Date: 02/13/2002
Principal: Richard Cheney

Tasking:
The VP was shown an assessment (he thought from [the Defense Intelligence Agency]) that Iraq is purchasing uranium from Africa. He would like our assessment of that transaction and its implications for Iraq’s nuclear program. A memo for tomorrow’s brief would be great.

Note the date, February 13, 2002.  This is the day following memo from Valerie Plame suggesting her husband, Joe Wilson, for the trip to Niger.  The Wilson trip was in the works before Cheney was briefed and raised his question about African sales of yellowcake to Iraq.  As York notes succinctly,

Dick Cheney was the last guy to request more information, not the first; the notion that his request started the whole affair seems wrong.

The second document cited by York is a memo from CIA to the Vice President, dated February 14, 2002, which reads,

We have tasked our clandestine source[s] with ties to the Nigerien Government and consortium officials…

Neither of these documents were made available to the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, so that group missed the significance of the dates.

Wilson’s trip to Niger was orchestrated before the VP’s inquiry and before the February 19, 2002 meeting Wilson cites in his book.

And clearly, the forged contract documents were not the impetus for his trip as he has claimed.  He could hardly have debunked a forgery which was not yet in the hands of US intelligence at the time he visited Niger… again.

As Clarice Feldman has written,

Plame recommended her husband for this trip before the vice president even asked about the report; (and) the SSCI never knew this because the CIA never turned over her memorandum of recommendation to the committee.

There are certainly other questions that Joe Wilson should be made to answer… in public.  He could start by explaining how he came to know anything at all about the forged Martino contract documents he spoke of the following year to Nick Kristoff and Walter Pincus, or how he knew that the signatures, dates, and Nigerien seal were phony. 

After all, Wilson was retired from government service, and certainly should not have had access to classified documents or the all important need to know.  Not 8 months after his Niger trip and CIA debriefing.

Perhaps Ed Morrisey best sums up Joe Wilson,

He has misrepresented his own findings for political purposes, a conclusion that this (Libby) trial has reinforced. Now it looks like he has lied about the nature of his assignment from the beginning. It did not come from a request by Cheney, but apparently as an independent initiative of his wife in reaction to intelligence developed outside of her discipline—which calls into question the motives of both parties from the beginning…

Otherwise, it looks more like Wilson has repeatedly lied and deceived the press and the American public about his report to the CIA, and has done so for highly partisan purposes. That anyone could take him seriously as a source only shows the desperation of the Left in finding some way to discredit the Bush administration.

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puzzlefeet on February 14, 2007 at 08:24 pm
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Wilson’s truths

Good one, Puzz! Joe Wilson reminds me of Tom Hanks’ buddy Wilson in Cast Away… One is an empty headed, airhead and the other is a volleyball!



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Proof on February 14, 2007 at 08:33 pm

In 2002, after an inquiry to the CIA by the Vice President concerning certain intelligence reporting, the CIA decided on its own initiative to send Wilson to the country of Niger to investigate allegations involving Iraqi efforts to acquire uranium yellowcake,

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the CIA decided on its own initiative

i.e. Joe Wilson’s wife wanted him out of the house.
(Her potted plants were getting superiority complexes!)



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Proof on February 14, 2007 at 08:54 pm
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so much for substance from proofless tonight!

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so much for substance from proofless tonight -puzz;efeet

Puzz? Is that you with no “L”? What happened? Did you get the “L” knocked out of you somewhere on this post???



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Proof on February 14, 2007 at 09:26 pm

That’s our Puzzlefeet. I just checked to make sure nobody spoofed her nick.

likwidshoe on February 14, 2007 at 09:32 pm

Puzzle,

Joe Wilson can bray all he wants to, but his letter to the SSCI is little more than that, and with the missing documents now in evidence at the Libby trial, he’ll be hard pressed to argue that they don’t say what they do, or that the dates aren’t really important.

If Joe Wilson wants to do some ‘splainin’, he should start with an explanation of his knowledge of the forged Marino “contract” documents, and end up with the $1.25 million he paid for the house… the one without a mortgage.

P.S.  Go to bed!  When you can’t type your own screen name properly, its time to put it all aside for awhile.


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Bat One on February 14, 2007 at 09:36 pm
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That is not true. The conclusion is apparently based on one anodyne quote from a memo Valerie Plame, my wife sent to her superiors that says “my husband has good relations with the PM (prime minister) and the former Minister of Mines, (not to mention lots of French contacts) both of whom could possibly shed light on this sort of activity.” - Wilson

Puzzle, I didn’t see in the article you linked where Wilson addressed this:

The former ambassador had traveled previously to Niger on the CIA’s behalf (redacted).  The former ambassador was selected for the 1999 trip after his wife mentioned to her supervisors that her husband was planning a business trip to Niger in the near future and might be willing to use his contacts in the region.(SSCI Page39)

Apparently, the inference Wilson alludes to was based upon more than he was willing to address in his letter.

It was at that meeting where the question of my traveling to Niger was broached with me for the first time and came only after a thorough discussion of what the participants did and did not know about the subject. - Wilson

The CPD reports officer told Committee staff that the former ambassador’s wife “offered up[ hi name” and a memorandum to the Deputy Chief of the CPD on February 12, 2002, from the former ambassador’s wife says, “my husband has good relations with both the PM (Prime Minister) and the former Minister of Mines (not to mention lots of French contacts), both of whom could possible shed light on this sort of activity

What “activity” was she referring to?

HG on February 14, 2007 at 09:39 pm

Bat One,
Thanks for the work on this.  It’s hard to imagine that some of the readers on this blog actually require proof that the guy is a lying scumbag.  Kinda like a math teacher wanting you to prove 1+1=2 or arguing with a democrat that Saddam Hussein was a bad guy.

electnixon on February 15, 2007 at 06:43 am
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Well, bat, no one can accuse you of not doing your homework. I wish you hadn’t relied so heavily on questionable sources, but whatcha gonna do?

I’ll need some time to go through the whole post (gimme a break, you took 3 days to write it) but here are a few thoughts off the top of my head:

As a rule, bullies are insecure cowards deep down inside.  Their cowardice drives them to substitute bravado for caution.

Pretty brave words from someone too chickenshit to sign their name to this screed.

Wilson’s lie is a subtle one, but key nonetheless.  Wilson claims that his trip to Niger disproves the President’s “16 words” in the SOTU speech that Iraq had attempted to purchase more uranium yellowcake, but the reality is that his trip actually confirmed what the President said.  The President did not say that the forged contract documents were valid, or that there had actually been a sale to Iraq by Niger and subsequent delivery.  He merely stated that Saddam had attempted to acquire more uranium in Africa, which he had, as Wilson had in fact reported to CIA.

Your point here is that Dubya didn’t lie exactly, but was merely misleading. That’s the best you can do to defend this president, which is telling, don’t you agree.

The next lie of Joe Wilson is his insistence that his wife Valerie “had nothing to do with” his selection for the trip to Niger.

Reports differ here. No one claims that Ms. Plame had nothing to do with the trip. Some reports basically claim she said “My husband has these qualifications...” and other say she had more of a role.

Guess what---IT DOESN’T FUCKING MATTER to anyone but the most fanatic of partisan hacks such as yourself bat. The point is that the VPs office wnated to investigate, Wilson was qualified, and he went. Parsing dates is irrelevent execpt for a meaningless game of faux-Fox ‘gotcha.’

More later, but mo I have to go to work.

Don Myers on February 15, 2007 at 09:14 am
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BTW, you harp on Ms. Plame’s involvement but forget the important fact which is tripping up ol’ Scooter right now---that she was outed as a CIA agent as revenge for her husband speaking out. Such an act is petty, childish, and totally in character for the Bush regime.

Don Myers on February 15, 2007 at 09:23 am

Proof that Val was outed is yet to hit the Libby trial testimony. When is that going to be presented?


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2Hotel9 on February 15, 2007 at 09:46 am

Don,

By all means take as much time as you need.  I took the TWO days I did to ensure that all the citations and cross references were correct and that the documentation and quotes were accurate and available to anyone else who might wish to check what I’ve said.  So I have no doubt that your response will be equally accurate, equally well documented, and based on demonstrable and authoritative fact, and not mere progressive, partisan pap.  And I will certainly be curious to see what you have to offer in the way of a more “authoritative” source document than the Report of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence.

I see you disagree with my opening statements.  That’s too bad, because they are not only true, but equally so in this particular case.  The fact is, I had this specific confrontation with you over Wilson in mind when I first answered your comments above.  I set you up, Don.  I knew you would be unable to resist the challenge implicit in my calling Wilson a liar… and you fell for it, exactly as I anticipated.

As for my description of you as a bully, you are that and you know it.  And it’s deliberate, of course.  In most instances, it takes several heated exchanges, laced with all manner of petty invective, for you to hyper down sufficiently to actually discuss a topic in a moderately civil, rational, and non-beligerant manner.  Of all the more rabid leftists and “progressives” who comment here, you are far and away the most consistently, offensively beligerent.

Now I too have to get back to work.  Let me know when you have something “authoritative” to offer in rebuttal.


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Bat One on February 15, 2007 at 10:11 am
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By all means take as much time as you need.  I took the TWO days

Well, excuuuuuuuuuuse me!

I set you up, Don.  I knew you would be unable to resist the challenge implicit in my calling Wilson a liar… and you fell for it, exactly as I anticipated.

[cue evil laugh, followed by uncontollable coughing]

Of all the more rabid leftists and “progressives” who comment here, you are far and away the most consistently, offensively beligerent.

Like all cowards, you can dish it out but you can’t take it. I’ve endured so much hate on this blog it sould make me cry---if I was as weak as you.

Say Anything As Long As Rush Says It First has become pracicatlly a hate-group site, considering the abuse you dish out to those you call libs. But when it gets thrown back at you you’re all “boo hoo hoo you hurt my widdle feelings.”

Grow a pair and take it like a man (assuming you are a man...hard to tell when you continue to stand behind your work by not signing it)

Don Myers on February 15, 2007 at 01:40 pm
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I’ve endured so much hate on this blog

Translation: Some people disagree with me when I can’t get my facts straight.

“boo hoo hoo you hurt my widdle feelings.”

Sounds like the whole tenor of your last post, Don. Can you say “projection”???



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I’m sorry! You’re the victim here, Don! You should be able to call people names in lieu of arguments and not be held accountable. My bad!



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Proof on February 15, 2007 at 02:12 pm

Don Myers redefines,, Like all cowards, you can dish it out but you can’t take it. I’ve endured so much hate on this blog it sould make me cry---if I was as weak as you.

Say Anything As Long As Rush Says It First has become pracicatlly a hate-group site...

It should be noted that Don equates not agreeing with him to “hate”.

Grow a pair and take it like a man (assuming you are a man...hard to tell when you continue to stand behind your work by not signing it)

You don’t like anonymous sources anymore? That’s good to know. We’ll hold you to it.

likwidshoe on February 15, 2007 at 02:13 pm

Don,

My, my!  You seem to be taking this awfully hard.

Of course, the reality is that you have no one to blame for your predicament but yourself.  You got yourself into this mess of having to defend the lies of Joe Wilson, because your incessant, arrogant beligerence blinded you to the fact that you’d been set up and trapped by your own predictability.

And your tantrum isn’t all that necessary either.  Why not just acknowledge that you’ve been had?  There isn’t much you could offer in rebuttal to what I’ve posted about Wilson beyond his protestations to the contrary and the a capella clucking of your fellow progressive hens with the ruffled feathers.  And neither of those is anywhere close to authoritative… or believable.  If you want to back out in an indignant huff, just say so.  I don’t really mind.  I’ve proved my points.  About Wilson and about you.

Incidentally, the personal invective is not very impressive, or threatening either.  I’ve heard a lot worse than anything you’ve managed to offer from little guys with big delusions just about all my adult life.  I learned to ignore it years ago.  But I would watch that arrogant insecurity if I was you.  The last person who took her indignation too seriously is no longer with us, but somewhere out in California trying to make sense of her FICO score.

So, relax, Don.  Chill out!


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Bat One on February 15, 2007 at 02:47 pm

Hey, did youse guys misplace about 500 tons of Nuke Yellowcake?

Yo!  We gotcher Yellowcake right here pal.

As you know, the United States government has invited the IAEA to conduct a Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty safeguards inspection at the Baghdad yellow-cake storage facility at Tuwaitha, more commonly known as Location C.  This inspection will be under the protection and auspices of coalition forces.  The safeguard inspection will begin on or about June 7th.  And I’m sure the next person will speak to the actual logistics, but for planning purposes, we and the IAEA expect that this process will likely take a couple weeks.  The purpose of the inspection is to inventory and assess the condition of the material that is under IAEA safeguards at the Baghdad yellow-cake storage facility.  The material at this facility includes approximately 500 metric tons of safeguarded uranium and several non-fissile radioisotope sources that are not under IAEA safeguards.  The uranium is mostly in the form of yellow cake, an isotopically natural form that is an impure oxide.  There is a small quantity of low-enriched and depleted uranium.  Typically, the IAEA would conduct an NPT safeguards inspection at this location annually.

And here, and here and here
and here and here

Leftists lying about lying, much?


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Move_Zig on February 15, 2007 at 03:38 pm
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Lies and invective to go around, that’s for sure. But don’t worry, bat---I don’t get my feathers ruffled as easily as lik and bob108.

I think we’re talking past each other here and so I want to make sure we’re on the same topic.

The crux of the dilemna is the sale of yellow cake to Iraq for their nuclear program---a program, we all know with 20-20 hindsight, that didn’t exist in 2003. Clinton’s policy of sanctions and containment had worked and Saddam (a right bastard who I’m glad is gone) had no WMDs.

Bush’s famous 16 words were designed to mislead the nation as part of a propaganda campaign for the war. Again, we all know with 20-20 hindsight that the propaganda campaign was...well, I call it a lie. You call it a mistake. Point of view, I expect. We can all agree that it was wrong.

Wilson wrote his famous op-ed in response to those 16 words, and history has vindicated him. (Unless you’re one of those conspiracy nuts who think that Saddam DID have WMDs and the evil media just won’t admit it)

The GOP smear machine has so muddied the waters that even you---who, I must admit, is pretty smart and has excellent google skills---can’t seem to see the forest for the trees.

To wrap up, here’s the forest:

1) Bush midled the American people with his 16 words.

2) Wilson called Bush on it and made a convincing case which, again in 20-20 hindsight, was correct.

3) Wilson was slimed, villified, his wife outed, and the waters muddied by the well-oiled GOP smear machine...of which, I’m sorry to say, you’re a happy willing part.

That’s the forest kids. You can go back to the trees, throwing the poop you love to sling around. Me, I’m gonna get ready to welcome Pres. Clinton in Jan 2009.

As for Ms. Plames involvement...parce all you want. Don’t care. Not important. WMD programs, and the Bush regimes lies about same, is important.

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Bush’s famous 16 words were designed to mislead the nation


Are you a fake psychic? Or do you just play one on TV?
Way to mind read Myers!

Wilson was slimed

Liars do so hate to be called liars!

history has vindicated him (Wilson)

Don, let’s add delusional to your list of virtues! (We already have paranoid schizophrenic--you think everyone hates you!)
Have your doctor up your meds! STAT!



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Proof on February 15, 2007 at 05:38 pm

Damn, Bravo1, I actually thought donnie would try harder than this. Guess I owe you a Coke!


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2Hotel9 on February 15, 2007 at 05:57 pm

I think we’re talking past each other here and so I want to make sure we’re on the same topic.

The crux of the dilemna is the sale of yellow cake to Iraq for their nuclear program…

Don,

The “same topic” we were supposedly on was Joe Wilson and whether or not he lied.  I have documented but three of his lies:  Who sent him, Why he went, And what he found there.  Believe me, there are more and the documentation necessary to verify his fabrications is within easy access.  (Incidentally, I appreciate the grudging compliment about research skills.  But as I mentioned above, I had this planned.  Wilson’s OpEd - revised version and original, the SSCI report, and host of other materials including the property tax records for 4612 Charleston Trace NW, Washington, DC, are all in a folder on my desktop.  I make it a point to know just what I’m talking about!)

That said, if you want to now concede the point on Wilson and focus instead on the “sale” of yellowcake to Iraq that’s fine with me.  The fact is, it has been the point of the entire anti-Bush Left, including Wilson, that Bush said, or at least implied, that there had been a sale of yellowcake to Iraq, and that in doing so he lied.  Neither charge is true.

The British “Review of Intelligence on Weapons of Mass Destruction,” also known as the Butler Commission Report, which can be found here,
is unequivocal in its support for the conclusions of the British Intelligence service’s conclusions, and to this day there has been no backing down from the Brits regarding those conclusions.  And contrary to the panting implications of those of you on the Left, President Bush did NOT say that the Iraqis had purchased yellow cake… only that the British had evidence that there had been attempts by the Iraqis to do so.  Which is why I included a brief CV of Ambassador Zawahie in my comment above… to demonstrate that it is ludicrous for anyone to believe that his “trade” mission to Niger (and several other uranium producing countries) was to discuss trade in onions or cowpeas, or goatmeat.

That is not say that Mr. Bush would have been lying if he had said that such a sale had taken place.  If you bother to actually read the SSCI report, you’ll see that there is an unresolved question of some missing yellowcake… about 1000 tons of the stuff.  There was also the question of the 400 tons or so that was suspected of being housed in a warehouse in Gabon (where, oddly enough, Joe Wilson was formerly US Ambassador.) CIA followed up on neither question.

The fact of the matter is that Mr. Bush said nothing, aside from the “16 words,” about Iraq that had not been said by his predecessor’s administration.  The difference, as with al Qaeda, is that Mr. Bush actually did something about it, instead of waiting for Lenny Briscoe and Ed Green and Jack McCoy to take care of it.

Look, Don, if you want to continue to believe all that anti-Bush, anti-war, leftwing dogma, go right ahead.  Just don’t try to pass off your belief system as fact or “reality-based.” It is neither.


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Bat One on February 15, 2007 at 07:54 pm
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RE: YELLOW-CAKE.

In light of the fact that Saddam had Yellow-cake stored as pointed out by MZ—

The material at this facility includes approximately 500 metric tons of safeguarded uranium and several non-fissile radioisotope sources that are not under IAEA safeguards.

why would there even be a question as to whether or not Saddam was trying to aquire it?  Oh, by the way, what the hell was he doing with Yellow-cake in the first place?  Don, can you say “nuclear weapons progam”? 

No WMD’s, huh?  Just what qualifies as a WMD in your mind? Oh, and try to answer without shifting the emphasis to ‘stockpiles’.

HG on February 15, 2007 at 08:34 pm

HG,

Good point!  And we have yet to even begin discussing what was going on out in the desert mountains of Libya.


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Bat One on February 15, 2007 at 10:25 pm

Long story short, petro-chemical, agri-pesticide, and pharmacuetical industries are all dual use. They all can be turned to production of WMDs. All the material discovered in Iraqi military stockpiles that are listed as dual use simply don’t exist as far as the anti-war, anti-America crowd.


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2Hotel9 on February 16, 2007 at 05:58 am

Wow, dig the deafening silence in this thread!


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2Hotel9 on February 17, 2007 at 06:27 am

From Puzzle’s link about “Wilson’s Truths”:

Wilson writes:
First conclusion: “The plan to send the former ambassador to Niger was suggested by the former ambassador’s wife, a CIA employee.”

He continues:
That is not true. The conclusion is apparently based on one anodyne[i.e. anything that relieves distress or pain] quote from a memo Valerie Plame, my wife sent to her superiors that says “my husband has good relations with the PM (prime minister) and the former Minister of Mines, (not to mention lots of French contacts) both of whom could possibly shed light on this sort of activity.” There is no suggestion or recommendation in that statement that I be sent on the trip.

It depends on what the meaning of “IS” is...right?

What was she suggesting in the memo then.... that he be sent to Starbuck’s for a grande’ latte?

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Joel on February 17, 2007 at 07:00 am

Nice work Bat One!!  Really good!

Seth Yantiss on March 16, 2007 at 08:42 pm

And note, Seth, the continuing silence from donnie and puzz. I am amazed that woofie did not stagger through spewing his crap after that first lame attempt. He usually tries harder than that.

You missed out on a couple of threads where the VRWC lies about “dual use technology” got thoroughly discredited by,,,,DAMN! Couldn’t type it all without laughing! Its early and I am bummed out because I could not make it down to DC this weekend for the Vetran’s American’s Rally at the Wall. We got a bit-o-snow here abouts yesterday.


Una Salus Victus Nullam Sperare Salutem

2Hotel9 on March 17, 2007 at 05:08 am
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