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You think maybe Democrats are getting the message that most of their party it too liberal?

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Good analysis, many of the stronger Dem candidates this year are trying to take Republican issues away from them.

If we lose it’s better to lose to those guys rather than having more moonbats in Congress.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

Good post, Carrick.  This is an idea I’ve been pushing for a while.  This election, in most areas, isn’t a referendum on conservatism.  Republicans are in trouble because they’ve moved to the center (after voters swept them into office in 1994 when they all ran as conservatives) and left themselves open to attack from the right.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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Great point, Rob.  I’ve seen your comments on this, and no doubt they influenced my thinking on this.  But that is a great summary of them!

Just in case anybody gets confused, I’m not claiming BTW that these Democratic alternatives are true conservatives, just that they are conservative on the social issues, and tend to support the war in Iraq (at least conditionally).

However, most of these guys are pro-big government, against privatizing social security and pro raising taxes, so fiscally most of them are not conservatives.  Given the luke-warm support that Santorum has given to fiscally conservative issues, it’s easy to see in his case at least, why Bob Casey might look equally attractive…

If we lose it’s better to lose to those guys rather than having more moonbats in Congress.

I disagree.  In the first place, those guys are lying; in the second place, what do you think Speaker Pelosi will do to them?  Look what they did to Joe Lieberman for his very slight diversity of opinion; it was a Stalinist purge, plain and simple. We lose, we lose.  There is no silver lining here.

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Robert108, I don’t think they’re lying...any of the people I’ve singled out have pretty consistently been socially conservative.

And yeah...look what happened to Lieberman!  He’s going back to the Senate & the left’s favorite son is going home on November 7.  Just another slap in the face for the loony left.

I’ll agree that Nancy Pelosi is no conservative, but “party discipline” is a joke for the Democratic Party in any case.

Carrick: I guess I don’t believe that, in the present day Dem party, any conservative has any chance politically; even if an actual conservative Dem gets elected, they will be isolated and virtually purged, and will be able to have little, if any, political influence.  Nancy Pelosi is a thug, IMO.  I should have said they “attempted to purge” Joe Lieberman; it was my example of extreme intolerance on the part of the present Dem party.

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Robert108, I don’t think there’s that much disagreement between us.

I don’t think that this is the “silver lining” for a Republican loss either, though not necessarily for exactly the same reasons as you.  To start with, I consider the fragmentation of the Democratic Party a major negative when considering how they would probably govern the HOR and/or Senate.

Lieberman is telling in that it exposes just how week they are, and how incompetent the Republican congressmen have been to allowing themselves to get pushed around the way they have the last 4 years or so.  (I blame the Republican leadership personally.)

Robert, I think Carrick’s point had more to do with some Republicans moving to the center and thus leaving themselves open to attack from the right by Dem candidates who are, or at least put on an appearance of being, more conservative on some subjects than their GOP foes.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

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Rob: Agreed. I was just adding my two cents worth, not so much disagreeing, although I know it might have sounded that way.

Carrick: I think the fragmentation of the Dems is down the road, but inevitable.  I agree about the Republicans letting themselves get pushed around.  I hope the hitback by Allen on Webb is a sign that is changing.  It’s about time.  We don’t need to descend to their level, but fighting back with the truth is always a good thing.

Hope and change, in a free world, are the private possessions of motivated individuals.

Robert108, actually I think the fragmentation of the Democratic Party occurred in the 1960s, with the loss of the Dixiecrats and the growth of political extremism within the Democratic Party itself.  By the 1980s, many of the people in the South, who formerly voted en bloc for the Democrats were now solid Republicans.  They didn’t change in perspective that much so much as the party that represented their interests changed to meet them.  Before the transformation they were both socially and fiscally conservative, afterwards they still are.

What we have now is a number of Republican congresscritters who are acting less and less fiscally conservative, and I think, leaving behind their own voting bloc in the process&mdashRob’s point.

The thing that would save the Democratic Party, in my estimation, would be the splintering off of the moonbats from the rest of the party.  (Ideally the moonbats should all join the Green Party).

I actually see the recapturing of the Democratic Party and its agenda by sane people to be a Good Thing [tm] for our country.  From the Republican’s perspective, it would be nice if it happened during Democratic primaries, but getting rid of weak Republican congressmen (Chaffee and Santorum for example) doesn’t hurt the party as much as accommodating them does.

Carrick: Agreed.  I was talking “fragmentation” from another point of view. I see the Dems increasingly as the Marxist Party, with no tolerance for ideological diversity; they seem to have solidified in that respect, from the point of view of the national party structure, which leaves a lot of individual Dems out in the cold.  I would like it if the Marxist Dems just came out of their closet and called themsselves what they really are, but that would be political suicide for them in this country. I think it is possible that there will be a “counter-revolution” to bring the Dem Party back to the US, and losing in this election, and especially in ‘08, would probably bring that about.  I also agree with you about the RINOs; they are destructive to the conservatives, at the very least.

Hope and change, in a free world, are the private possessions of motivated individuals.