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Monday, April 09, 2007

Is Philosophy Science?

Our modern practice of science limits the scope of scientific investigation to natural causes. This is known as methodological naturalism.  Naturalism is a philosophy which concludes that nature is all that there is.  Methodological naturalism is the practice of naturalism in scientific investigation without assent to the conclusion that naturalism posits.  Hence, in order to be scientific, an investigation must begin by assuming that natural effects can only be explained by natural causes since nature is all that there is.

Another philosophy which competes with naturalism and is broadly held is naturalistic theism.  This philosophy posits that Intelligent Design may be infered from observable effects.  Science has rejected ID on the grounds that ID is outsided the realm of scientific investigation because it violates the scientific method of investigation - methodological naturalism.

So let me get this straight.  ID is philosophy and therefore outside of science because it competes with the philosophy known as naturalism? I thought methodological naturalism only assumes nature is all there is without giving assent to naturalism.

Oh ya, and what makes one philosophy any more scientifically credible than another? ...both are philosophy.

The darwinists have fairly defined ID as philosophy, while at the same time exempted their own philosophical perspective from such a classification and scientific scrutiny.  They argue ID belongs in the classroom of philosophy but at the same time accept and practice methodological naturalism as the only legitimate scientific method.

Comments

No. Its not. Not even close.


rasberry

Sparkie Arbuckle on April 9, 2007 at 03:17 pm

Intelligent design says, “damn, shit is fancy… it must be created by someone or something.” science says, “damn, shit is fancy… let’s figure out why.” I think there’s a difference.


rasberry

Sparkie Arbuckle on April 9, 2007 at 03:34 pm
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Sparkie, don’t you think it is somewhat dishonest that the argument for excluding natural philosophy from science is essentially philosophical?  And, by excluding such, lending scientific credibility to the conclusions of naturalism?

HG on April 9, 2007 at 03:53 pm
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Actually ID is more than something is fancy:

“When a complex combination of heterogeneous phenomena is found to agree with the possibility of a future act, which was not contained beforehand in any of these phenomena in particular, this agreement can only be comprehended by the human mind as a kind of pre-existence, in an ideal form, of the future act itself, which transforms it from a result into an end—that is to say, into a final cause. (Paul Jones)

Example:

“The hull of a ship, masts, sails, anchor, rudder, compass, chart, have no necessary connection, and in relation to their physical causalities are heterogeneous phenomena.  The future use of a ship is not contained in any one of them, but is possible through their combination.  This combination in the fully equipped ship has no interpretation in our rational intelligence except in the previous existence of its use in human thought and purpose. (emph. added) The use of the ship, therefore, is not the mere result of its existence, but the final cause of its construction” (John Miley).

HG on April 9, 2007 at 03:55 pm

HG
Whatever is going on in that last comment… I am unable to pick up on… maybe you can dumb it down for me. I am interested. I just don’t know what to say about that last example? What going on here?


rasberry

Sparkie Arbuckle on April 10, 2007 at 01:09 pm
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Philosophy is not science.  Science is philosophy.

Hawk on April 10, 2007 at 02:04 pm
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Sparkie mate..... WTF is going on with you to be so opinionated and sure about your first conclusion, and then not even understand the undeniable explanation given in return?
HG, very nice indeed smile

PS Was beginning to give up hope of finding another true intellectual.

Blabble Blop on July 14, 2007 at 07:12 am
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