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It’s fortunate that he lives in a country where his right to be crazy is protected. 

Sometimes it seems are these wackos are wishing bad things on their own country.

Um, OK, at the risk of stoning, I will tell you I operate in the office of a prophet. 

If you have the courage to read the whole thing, this Year’s prophesy and last year with the fulfilment, then you can decide what size stones to use.

I’m not crazy about being a prophet.  It’s not easy, but I yam what I yam.

Read the whole thing here.

PS:  I would have sworn Pat read my prophetic blog before he gave what he did.

[b]Old Tigers are more dangerous when they believe this could be their last hunt.

From , “The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen”
Old tigers, sensing the end,
they’re at their most fierce. 
And they go down fighting.

Hearing voices qualifies someone for accute psychiatric care.

On the other hand what if he is right?

Gene,

Who is speaking to Pat when he is wrong?
The question is still unanswered by your claim to be a prophet.

On the other hand what if he is right?

What if he “misses” again?  Then who is telling him the wrong thing?

What if he “misses” again?  Then who is telling him the wrong thing?
HG on January 3, 2007 at 01:05 am

Jerry Falwell.

Just as the prophecy for 2006 turned out to have over an 80% accuracy (the other 20% was my flesh or when I misheard from God),

Gene, I see 20% of the time, you have trouble discerning between God’s voice and your own.

How did you mishear?

Am I the only person in the world that remebers Robertson telling his cult members to send him $6 million or God would call him home?

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Last time I checked, neither Pat Robertson nor Jerry Falwell has sworn themselves to be enemies of the US and western civilization, nor has either of them vowed to kill everyone who disagreed with him.

I am far less concerned with Who might be talking to Pat Robertson than I am with the voice whispering to Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

On another thread, Whistler quotes from Wiki about a rather small, anti-personnel, nuclear device, which, minus the delivery engine, would fit in a carry-on bag.  Thus far, I don’t recall that Robertson has expressed an interest in nukes on behalf of his God.

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

There you go again! Using logic and stuff to make your point. You know that makes the Left all soggy and hard to light.

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2H9,

With New Years celebrations two nights ago, I believe I’ve had about all the “Drano bombs” I can stand for a while.  Let ‘em soak!

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

This is not a hard call on Robertson’s part; the likelihood, especially with the Dem “victory” and the incessant support from them and the MSM for the terrorist cause(witness the “coverage” of Saddam’s execution), gives the terrorists a lot of encouragement.  I give the President credit for us having no attacks since 9/11/2001, but as he is constantly attacked by his own countrymen on a daily basis, his ability to defend us is compromised.  I don’t know what talking to God has to do with anything, but the Vegas odds on another terrorist attack must be favorable, for a great many reasons, including the compromised surveillance capabilities, for instance.

Save America; boycott the MSM.

There are many Americans who are troubled and influenced by Robertson’s political comments especially when he speaks on behalf of the god many Americans profess to believe in—Gene for one.  Ignoring Robertson will not diminish his influence or the attention the press gives him—pointing out the foolishness of Robertson’s speech is something that may.  Ignoring Robertson because a few of his political objectives intersect with those of conservatism, does not mean his warped motives should be swept under the rug in order to gain the objective.  This is a recipe for a divided party.  Conservatism, as an objective, requires honest, unambiguous, uncompromising leadership if it is to be a broadly accepted ideology.  Any political gains without this clarity will be short-lived IMO.

HG,

Ask yourself this question:  Why are the remarks or predictions of Pat Robertson noteworthy?  Surely not because he suggests an attack on US soil over the next year or two.  A report out today from the US Department of Homeland Security notes that only four cities are deemed ready to properly respond to such an attack.  And that report deals only with an after-the-fact response to an attack, not to the question of prevention.

Robertson’s prediction is noteworthy only because he says God has spoken to him and told him this is likely to happen.  Remove the divine aspect from Robertson’s announcement, and most of us would likely agree that what he predicts is certainly possible.... if not probable.

In other words, it’s not the prediction that is being challenged, but rather Robertson’s purported source.  And that betrays a mindset that I believe is dangerously stupid… the automatic discounting and disparagement of information or a point of view based solely on it’s source.

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

And that betrays a mindset that I believe is dangerously stupid… the automatic discounting and disparagement of information or a point of view based solely on it’s source.

Bat One,

Good point!  I hadn’t thought of it that way.  This is the reaction to Robertson’s speech by many who do not subscribe to his way of thinking.  Hence, his speech attaches a negative connotation to a vital security issue.

Removing the divine aspect of Robertson’s words is almost impossible.  It is the fact that he says God told him that makes his remarks foolish.  If his guess turns out to be correct it makes his claim to hear directly from God no more credible than if he is wrong.  Either way Robertson’s words are foolish and do not direct serious attention to the subject of which he speaks.

Ask yourself this question:  Why are the remarks or predictions of Pat Robertson noteworthy?

HG: Ask yourself this question: Does Pat Robertson have the same free speech rights as every other American, or is he denied those rights by the PC antiChristian bigots?

If his guess turns out to be correct it makes his claim to hear directly from God no more credible than if he is wrong.

That makes no sense at all; your distaste for Christianity has led you to make a nonsensical comment here.

Either way Robertson’s words are foolish…

How so? Most people might agree that we are due for another terrorist attack; it’s a good bet, especially since the Dems(who are known to be soft on terrorism and on terrorists) are in charge.  I think your antiChristian bias is showing.

Save America; boycott the MSM.

R108,

Yes, Robertson has the same free speech rights, but his audience may not be so alarmed when he speaks if his foolishness is evident. 

That makes no sense at all; your distaste for Christianity has led you to make a nonsensical comment here.

The statement was based on the fact that Robinson could not be hearing from God directly if he is not 100% correct in his predictions. (See Duet. 18.20-22).  Hence, his predictions are at best a guess. 

Secondly, I am a Christian.  I am absolutely certain that Jesus Christ died to pay for the sin of each and every human being, and I have accepted that sacrifice as completely sufficient grounds for God to forgive me of my justly deserved punishment.

How so? Most people might agree that we are due for another terrorist attack; it’s a good bet, especially since the Dems(who are known to be soft on terrorism and on terrorists) are in charge.

It may be a good bet, but it is not a legitimate prophecy.

HG: I owe you an apology; I didn’t answer your question, which was why what Pat Robertson says is newsworthy?

Every day in every American Christian church, some religious “leader” is speaking out on the issues of the day, but you don’t hear anything about that.  You might just as well ask yourself why what they say isn’t newsworthy?  The reason for this, IMO, is that what they say generally makes sense.  Our MSM is engaged in a war against American values, one of which is Protestant Christianity.  Therefore, whenever Pat Robertson says he talks to God, it is newsworthy because it can be twisted by the MSM to make Christians look like foolish sheep.  It doesn’t matter that what he says(in this instance) makes a lot of sense, it is the fact that he says God told him about it that is “newsworthy”.
Compare how they treat Pat in this case with how Mahmoud was treated when he spoke about the Twelfth Imam.  Why the double standard?

Save America; boycott the MSM.

An open letter to Pat Robertson:

Dear Pat,

I’m just curious, but when God told you about this mass death thing, did He give you any idea what we could do to stop it? Or was He just worried about it and needed somebody to confide in? Boy, are you lucky! He picked you instead of someone like, say, the Pope. I’m impressed.

Listen, since we’re talking, the next time you talk to God could you ask him for me just what it is the Jews have done to make everybody hate then so? And don’t let Him get into the whole “Israel-Palestinian” issue. It started way before that. I mean, they don’t look any different than anyone else. They just worship Him in a different way. And everybody wants to throw the Jews down the well. I don’t get it.

By the way...what about that whole, “God’s gonna call me home if you don’t come up with some big bucks” thing you told us all about? Was He just kidding when you talked to Him about that? I mean, did he put noogies on your head and tell you, “Hey, I was just joking you big silly!” Just asking because we noticed that he didn’t call you home. That God! He’s such a kidder!

Listen, Pat, since we’re pen pals and all now I just want to tell you that you might be careful about confusing the voices in your head with the voice of God. I’m just sayin’.

But just in case you do talk to Him again soon, can you hook me up with some winning lottery ticket numbers? Come on. Be a pal. Just asking.

Regards,

Pilgrim

The future ain’t what it used to be.....

It may be a good bet, but it is not a legitimate prophecy.

So, that’s your issue?  He may be right, but it isn’t a prophecy?  Don’t you think we should be more concerned with terrorists than with bashing Pat Robertson?  Maybe you don’t.

Save America; boycott the MSM.

Am I the only person in the world that remebers Robertson telling his cult members to send him $6 million or God would call him home?

No, Hotel, you’re not. And the sarcasm of my above post aside he has absolutely no credibility. Okay, okay freedom of speech, right to say what he wants, blah blah blah.

He’s just another charaltan con-man who’s managed to get himself into the public spotlight more than most.

The future ain’t what it used to be.....

Listen, Pat, since we’re pen pals and all now I just want to tell you that you might be careful about confusing the voices in your head with the voice of God. I’m just sayin’.

You nailed it. Robertson is suffering from a god-complex.  The following illustrates it.....“I have a relatively good track record,” he said. “Sometimes I miss.”
It sounds to me like his success in ministry has gone to his head. 

The biblical record on prophecy is clear.  God never misspoke nor was He ever misheard or misquoted by His prophets.  Appearantly, accuracy was part of the prophetic gift.

IF YOU CARE TO KNOW HOW THIS ALL WORKS:

How I know (and I suspect if Pat were honest, how he knows):

Usually whatever comes is surprising and not my own voice.

It always ends up agreeing with the Bible.

It points people to Jesus.

It has the effect of preparing people who believe.

What about 100% accuracy?

No one knows all, not even Karnak the Magnificent.  On the other hand, If I or Pat Robertson were some Psychic quoted by Weekly World News with an 80% accuracy I’d be front page stuff.  But because it has “Jesus” attached there is an immediate discounting.  The Bible says about modern prophecy, “we see thru a glass darkly”.  At best it’s a bit nebulous, at worst is complexly obscure. 

Sometime, I just hear the voice in my head and not the voice of God.  It’s pretty easy to let my personal prejudice interfere with what I’m supposed to be hearing.  But when reviewing what I have written down I will often see my own voice in all that and recognize it for what it is.

That doesn’t make the cut.

So why me, why Pat or the other dozen or so that I see at this time of the year.  What makes anyone who is used in this gift special. 

NOTHING.

I and the others are as human, flawed and stupid as the next person down the street.  If you knew me personally you would question rightly what in the world makes me qualified.  I wear no halo.  I have no degree in “Prophecy”.  I sin.  I get angry.  I do all of the 7 deadly sins to one level or another. 

So did ALL the other men and women called to be prophets or prophetesses in the Bible old and new testament.  They were all flawed and even sometimes stupid human beings.  Just like me.  Just like you.  I won’t give a review but if you are interested your local bookstore will have a book you can buy on the prophet’s lives.  Fairly uninteresting stuff.

Here’s the rub.

ANYONE CAN DO THIS.  ANYONE. 

IF:

They prepare themselves and are willing to pay the price.  I have taught very nominal believers to do some of this at a rudimentary level.  There are requirements. 

First you must put your human understanding in your back pocket.  Reasoning will stop the flow.  God is the rewarder of those who Diligently seek Him.  You must believe.

Second you must KNOW Jesus.  Not know about Him, Know Him.  Born Again, follower, hard after His heart.

Third, you must accept the reality of the Gifts of the Spirit and the ministry office or ascension gifts.  One of which is the Gift and then the Ministry of Prophet. 

Fourth, you must KNOW the word of God cold.  That way you become familiar with what Gods voice sounds like.  Just like I can tell a note written by a friend of mine without his signature because it sounds like him.

Fifth, you must be filled with the Holy Spirit and it must flow out of you.  Yes, that includes speaking in tongues.  It’s best to spend some time praying in tongues before you begin. Half hour is good, hour better.

Sixth, you must set aside time to hear from God.  Take pad and paper, shut everything off around you, don’t read, don’t listen to music, just listen.  Wait.  If you get nothing, don’t be discouraged, there’s always tomorrow.  Patience is the virtue.  It takes a month of December to get the Word for the next year.

Seventh, when something comes to you, start writing without judging what you write.  I ended up with 35 pages of hand written notes before I began transcribing them.  I did not go back until it came time to compile.

Eighth, Ask a question by writing it down.  Sometimes you will get an answer, sometimes not.

Ninth, Not everything about everything will be prophesied.  It’s different year to year.  Prophecy usually is targeted toward things that are on people’s hearts.  Last year it was Bird Flu.  This year something else.

Tenth, don’t be thin skinned.  Write down and transcribe what you are told to, It’s not about you.  Even if people poke fun and discount what you have written, you are safe. Besides after you have done this for several years in a row with a high degree of accuracy you begin to have more and more confidence.

It is dangerous to a believer to discount prophecy as some crackpot thing.  The proper approach is to say, HMMMM that’s interesting and just ponder it in your heart like Mary did.  For the unbeliever, nothing anyone could say or do will change their mind or help them understand.  They are blinded by the devil and lost.  They rely on human understanding.  Always a dangerous place. 

So, you may have read the Prophecy I posted, you may understand it, you may not.  You may disagree with it.  You may find it all silly.  To the believer this is serious stuff which must be paid attention to.  That’s why Pat Robertson gets a hearing. 

I find several other lesser known prophets far more accurate then Pat.  Heck I’m more accurate then Pat.  But I don’t have a TV show.  Regarding the Duet. 18.20-22 passage.  Not everything prophesied in any of the prophets has come to pass, YET.  But there wer false prophets, there was no capacity for discernment as a gift of the Holy Spirit, so the penalty had to be great.  After Pentecost there was more prophetic liberty, (we know in part, we prophesy in part). There were always people who said they were wrong and yes they wanted to silence the prophets.  The Devil HATES prophets, Jesus condemed the Pharasies because they killed the prophets, even HIM.

Sufficient to say, for sure, something big and disruptive is scheduled for 2007.  Pat thinks Terror, I think Natural, Pat says fall, I say Spring.  We’ll see.  That should be your approach, not poo pooing it, not making fun of it all, just hearing it and not letting it develop fear, but take it as a warning.

God does nothing unless he tells his prophets first.  Then there’s the proof of the two or three witnesses. 

Have a good 2007.  If you want I can show you where to read all the headlines in advance.  But that would take the fun out of it all.  I won’t be too surprised when God does what he plans to.

[b]Old Tigers are more dangerous when they believe this could be their last hunt.

From , “The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen”
Old tigers, sensing the end,
they’re at their most fierce. 
And they go down fighting.

Apparently, accuracy was part of the prophetic gift.

No doubt as God intended.  I think its some kind of package deal.

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Oh and Pilgrim, That was Oral Roberts, not Pat Robertson that needed the Millions to keep from being taken out.  By the way, he didn’t get the millions and he is taken out.  Only his name and his son remain part of that ministry.

[b]Old Tigers are more dangerous when they believe this could be their last hunt.

From , “The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen”
Old tigers, sensing the end,
they’re at their most fierce. 
And they go down fighting.

Pat Robertson is not a prophet. And it is he and his ilk that give religion a bad name and its detractors a reason to scoff.

The future ain’t what it used to be.....

Thanks, Gene. You’re right. I had my charlatans confused. Aplogies.

The future ain’t what it used to be.....

Don’t you think we should be more concerned with terrorists than with bashing Pat Robertson?

R108,

I cited above my reasons for attempting to discredit Robertson’s prophetic claims.
The point of the post is clearly communicated in the title.  Another significant reason to point out Robertson’s foolishness was brought to my attention by Bat-One to which I responded.  If you do not see the significance of discrediting Robertson’s claims I can’t make you.  I think it is important to bring sobriety and wisdom to vital issues—not foolishness.

Gene,

Deuteronomy 18:20-22 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die. And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken? When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.

There is 100% accuracy. 

Gene the prophetic gift you claim is biblical to the extent that it is clearly denounced and discredited in the passage above.

Pat thinks Terror, I think Natural, Pat says fall, I say Spring.  We’ll see.  That should be your approach, not poo pooing it, not making fun of it all, just hearing it and not letting it develop fear, but take it as a warning.

If you both heard God’s voice, why didn’t he say the same thing?  Why all the mystery?  OT prophecy was not ambiguous.  Nor did the prophet misunderstand it.

I watched a part of that CBN’s 700Club episode last night and what Pat Robertson said didn’t surprise me much (it’s just typical Pat Robertson been Pat Robertson stuff)

What surprised be a lot was the following: Doesn’t it look like God has been putting a lot of weight, ..literal physical weight, on Pat Roberson?, lol.

Sometime, I just hear the voice in my head and not the voice of God.  It’s pretty easy to let my personal prejudice interfere with what I’m supposed to be hearing.  But when reviewing what I have written down I will often see my own voice in all that and recognize it for what it is.

Gene,

Am I understanding you to say that God speaks to you using your own voice, and therefore, at times, you confuse your own voice with God’s voice? 

Also, let me be clear.  I don’t doubt your teaching ability or faith in God.  This prophetic gift, which is inconsitent with the examples and requirements of the biblical prophetic gift, is what is utterly foolish and without credibility.  It is this foolishness that gets Robertson press coverage and credibility from some while the rest find it absolutely silly.  Tabloid Christianity deserves the scorn it gets from the world, and not the attention and credibility professing Christians give it.

Pat Robertson is a grifter, to use the term from his childhood. A low-yeild flash&dazzle con artist. He is exactly the corrupt, greedy kind of shyster that is turning millions away from the Gospel.

Gold is not the root of all evil. Organized religion is.

Una Salus Victus Nullam Sperare Salutem

Gold is not the root of all evil. Organized religion is.

2H9,

Now what would Reverend Ike have to say about that?!

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

AMEN! Pass the ammunition!

Una Salus Victus Nullam Sperare Salutem

The real saying is: “The love of money is the root of all evil.” (emphasis mine)

Save America; boycott the MSM.

Hotel is right, and grifter is a good term to use. He’s no different than Jim Jones, Jim Baker, David Koresh, Warren Jeffs or Jimmy Sawggert.

They all cloak themselves in a mantle of piety while raking in the cash with both sweaty little hands.

The only difference between Robertson and those guys is the veil of respectability that Roberts surrounds himself with. This kind of statememnt, though, should give any thinking person a peek under that veil.

Ignore that man behind the curtain! I am the great and powerful Oz!!!!!

The future ain’t what it used to be.....

No. I can confidently say Pat does not talk to God. I personally think his 2000 lb leg press is bullshit too.

Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

No. I can confidently say Pat does not talk to God.

Did He tell you?

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

No. He didn’t tell me. But if he did I wouldn’t be able to believe that either since he’s a liar… So - if he gives me a jingle and says he doesn’t… THEN he just might. You never know who you can talk to if you ingest enough LSD.

Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Prophet my ass--looney toons!

D.J.C.

2H9

Am I the only person in the world that remebers Robertson telling his cult members to send him $6 million or God would call him home?
2Hotel9 on January 3, 2007 at 09:00 am

I think that was Oral Roberts......

# 1977
Oral Roberts claimed that he received a vision, or revelation, from God. In the vision he claimed that God told him to build the City of Faith Medical Center.

He also claimed that he saw a 900 foot tall Jesus, who said that the City of Faith would be successful.

Four years later, in 1981, he opened the City of Faith.

# 1983
Oral Roberts: said that Jesus Christ appeared to him in person (not a vision) and told him to find a cure for cancer. So far, he has not found that cure.

# 1986
Oral Roberts said that God told him the following:
“I want you to use the ORU medical school to put My medical presence in the earth. I want you to get this going in one year or I will call you home. It will cost $8 million and I want you to believe you can raise it.”

# 1987
In January Oral Roberts said that God spoke to him and told him that he had not sent out any medical missionaries from the university or City of Faith.

God instructed him to raise $8 million by March of the same year or God would take him home (presumably God would kill Oral Roberts or translate him to heaven like Enoch).

The money raised was to provide full scholastic scholarships for medical missionaries who would be sent to other countries.

He claimed that $3.5 million had already been raised, but he needed $4.5 million more by March 1, in order to get the full $8 million and prevent God from taking him home.

# 1987
On April 1 Oral Roberts said that he had received $9.1 million which was $1.1 million more that was required by God.

# 1987
In November, Oral Roberts announced that the City of Faith would be closing down.

# 1988
In January, Oral Roberts discontinued the medical scholarships. Apparently he was no longer afraid that God was going to take him home.

# 1988
In March, the medical scholarship fund went bankrupt. If any students wished to transfer to any other institution, they were required to repay their scholarships at 18% interest.

# 1989
In September, Oral Roberts closed the City of Faith.

D.J.C.

Amazing amount of knowledge on this blog about TV evangelists. I cant decide if I’m impressed or freightened!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OOPs -
Yeah, I know.... its “frightened”.

r, you are quite right. And no one loves money more than Pat Robertson.

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