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Don’t even know why I’m responding to your ignorance, Gene.
Firstly, taking someones views out of context makes it easy to condemn them when you apply those views to a subject of your own choice. Gandhi was speaking as a pacifist and the two examples you have cited, of the British surrendering and the Jews capitulating to the Nazis were reflections of his pacifist beliefs.
Gandhi principally protested against the British occupation of India and the inequalities that existed in India at the time, using non-violent demonstration as as his message.
If he had been Christian, thanks to his pacifist message he would be in heaven, except he was a Hindu and so will have been reincarnated.
In response to Fred Thompson’s angry rebuke to anti-war protestors, Gandhi would have actively encouraged the muslims to protest peacefully as well.

Britain would not have listened to Gandhi, prior to WWII, because he was an irritating thorn in our side, not a beacon for peace.

Do not fear to be eccentric in opinion, for every opinion now accepted was once eccentric.

And what’s wrong with speaking German?
Haven’t the German people paid for WWII yet?
German was nearly named as the official language of the US, when the constitution was being drafted.

Do not fear to be eccentric in opinion, for every opinion now accepted was once eccentric.

Man: In his memoirs, Gandhi said that his methods for freeing India only worked because they were used against the British; they were civilized enough to not simply assassinate him and his followers.

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And what’s wrong with speaking German?

I don’t believe that Gene said there was anything wrong with speaking German; he simply stated the obvious fact that German would have been the language of Europe(at least) had Gandhi-esque techniques been used against Hitler, who wasn’t all that civilized.  Understand?

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And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling in terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?

The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin’s thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

—Alexandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago

Passive acceptance of oppression and/or genocide is a sin.  God gave us life and freedom.  If we cooperate with our oppessors, we fail in our duty to fight oppression and defending our lives and the lives of our loved ones.

Those who willingly dig their own ditches, those who are dutifully herded into gas chambers, those who stand passively as death squads prepare to shoot them—deserve it.

Free people have a positive duty to arm themselves with a knowledge of history so that they can recognize lies which have been used before, to arm themselves with weapons and to be trained in their use. 

Knowledge and weapons, combined with the determination to use both in the defense of freedom are what is necessary to fight evil in whatever form it may take—particularly in the guise of a domestic government.

Still, if you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed; if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than live as slaves.

—Winston Churchill

...for great justice

I didn’t say I was a pacifist or that I supported Gandhis views.

I was trying to point out that because he was a pacifist and an idealist, it doesn’t make him evil, perhaps just a little naive.

I’m sure his open letter to Britain and his comments about the Jews were made when he was much more idealistic in his mentality, having had positive results from his efforts in SA and India.

MZ,

Those who willingly dig their own ditches, those who are dutifully herded into gas chambers, those who stand passively as death squads prepare to shoot them—deserve it.

So all victims of ethnic cleansing deserved to die, the Jews, Gypsies, Homosexuals, vagrants and disabled of WWII who were killed by the Nazis; the innocent victims of Bosnia and Kosovo; the innocent Iraqis killed by Husseins death squads; the innocent Iraqis killed by opposing religious sects in that country; or the refugees of Sudan, Chad and Eritrea slaughtered by Arab militias. All these people got what they deserved for not standing up for their freedom?

Do not fear to be eccentric in opinion, for every opinion now accepted was once eccentric.

Man: I think you missed the point; they may have died anyway, but they died on their knees, having already given up.  Maybe it’s all the same to you, but not to everyone.  It seems difficult for you to appreciate other views; you seem to take it all personally and get emotional about it, when it’s really about choices.  Free people choose to fight, but slaves just give up and die.

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MOFO,

Think about it. 

If every living soul was educated in the history of freedom versus the history of tyranny, was trained to arms, I can tell you with great certainty, we would have a lot more Mussolini’s strung up by their heels and far fewer tyrants in power.  Read Robert A. Heinlein’s the Moon is a Harsh Mistress.

The Left have taken over the western educational systems, and they teach passivity to tyranny and oppression.  They say that violence never settled anything, which is a complete and utter lie. 

The American Colonists begged and pleaded with King George III to respect their rights as Englishmen and that only got them more oppression.  It was only the clash of arms that settled the matter.

Neville Chamberlain promised Peace in Our Time by feeding the Czechs to the Nazi wolves in hopes that the German appetite would be finally sated.  It took the lives of thousands of American soldiers to wrest back the countries overrun by rampaging Germans, Japanese and Italians. 

If, on the other hand, Europe had stood up for itself, and fought—to its’ credit, like the English at the Battle of Britain—the American sacrifice would not have been necessary. 

It was that European cowardice, that willing compliance of all the victims, their failure, indeed, their utter refusal to fight that led to their deaths and oppression.  Switzerland, which had standing order to fight to the last cartridge, to ignore any transmitted domestic order of surrender, that convinced Hitler to find softer fare all around it.

Had they instead picked up guns and fought ab initio, the American sacrifice of thousands would not have been necessary.

This concept of the Fundamental Right of Self Defense completely escapes the Left—so alien to them is the concept of the Individual Right, and so blinded are they in their total devotion to that bright shining lie called The State. 

The STATE is merely composed those self-appointed humans who have sought power of the lives of other humans. 

They are not necessarily smarter nor more highly evolved than the masses of citizens to whom they are in a Republic responsible to, and in a totalitarian state, whom they lord over.  This is the major difference in the worldview of Leftists versus Free People.

That is why the Left fight so hard for the control of education, for to control the past is to control the present, for control of guns, for power comes from the muzzle of a gun, and why they fight to stifle dissent and control thoughts, because free thought can lead resistance against their rule.

Ultimately, and for the reasons I have given above, the answer is yes.

...for great justice

Mr. MOVE_ZIG

Your comment on this Gandhi issue was so brilliant and well written I had to post it. Hope it’s ok.

You are one brilliant fellow.

Kudos.

[b]Old Tigers are more dangerous when they believe this could be their last hunt.

From , “The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen”
Old tigers, sensing the end,
they’re at their most fierce. 
And they go down fighting.

Live on your knees or die on your feet. That is, in the final analysis, the only question that matters. All else is meaningless.

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It seems difficult for you to appreciate other views; you seem to take it all personally and get emotional about it,

I disagree, I am able to view a situation from other points of view, but sometimes asking for clarification
does not necessarily imply ignorance or emotion, just a desire to understand a point of view further. MZs explanation is an elaboration on his point of view, which leads to greater understanding on my part. Gene seemed unable to understand Gandhis point of view and so I elaborated on that.

I agree with MZ that had Europeans stood up and fought more readily, so many lives would not have been lost.
However, to imply that all of Europe were cowards who cowered like slaves, is ignoring the lives of those who did stand up and fight. When Poland was invaded, by Germany’s 1.6 million strong army, in perhaps the first use of “Shock and Awe” tactics in modern warfare, their 800,000 strong armed forces, less well equipped than their German counterparts could not win. The attack of Poland 16 days later by Germanys then allies, the Soviet Union, was enough to bring them down. Total Polish military casualties during WW2 were about 400,000 - about the same as US casualties.
Britain and France failed to honour their pledge to come to Poland’s aid, which, had they kept their word, perhaps could have hastened the end of hostilities.
We all know France’s contribution to WW2, I think the term “Cheese eating surrender monkeys” best describes their defence against the Nazis. France’s military casualties numbered 212000 for the duration of the war.
However, the European resistance forces were a valuable part of the war effort and did provide valuable intelligence at times of need.
British Commonwealth forces did not sit back and take it. The Battle of Britain, is well known, but principally refers to the air war that was fought in the summer of 1940. Britain also had forces in North Africa, the Middle and Far East. Total British Commonwealth casualties numbered 580,000.

It took the lives of thousands of American soldiers to wrest back the countries overrun by rampaging Germans, Japanese and Italians.

Plus thousands of British Commonwealth, Polish and French forces who did take up arms and fight.

It’s not that we didn’t appreciate your help, which was immensely valuable, but to suggest that Europeans were cowards while the US were the all-conquering heroes, riding in to save the day, is disrespectful to those who did fight and die for freedom.
The term World War implies that the conflict concerns everybody. We were in it together.

I agree that the Fundamental Right of Self-Defence is important, as do many Britons. Have you ever heard the term “An Englishman’s Home is his Castle”, this we feel, applies to both our domicile and our country, and if German forces had ever attempted invasion, they would not have succeeded, whether we had US assistance or not. Obviously Hitler realised this, because despite plans (and thanks to the British air dominance) he never ordered the invasion.

My family lived under Nazi occupation during WW2 in the only part of the British Isles to fall to the Nazis, the Channel Islands (Jersey). Any open rebellion there was swiftly crushed with overwhelming force, since all the men of fighting age had already left to join the British Armed Forces.
The resolve to resist the German occupation was strong there, however and small victories were made in other ways.

Do not fear to be eccentric in opinion, for every opinion now accepted was once eccentric.

Thank you Gene.  [blushes]

MOFO (can I can you MOFO?),

It seems we agree on many things, but your concise quote from my text points to those specific Europeans whom I was criticizing, and to be very specific, only those old enough to heft a seized Mauser 98k or MP-38.  The children, infirm and very old, of course, were simply victims.

I did note that some did fight, and used the valiant efforts of the RAF as illustration.

One other point, the English would have been hard-pressed to put up any sort of a fight had the Luftwaffe won aerial superiority at least over Southeastern England and the German plan for invasion of England—Operation Seelowe-- been carried out, since much of England’s material was left in smoking ruins in France and on the beaches of Normandy.

That rifle hanging on every English cottage wall had been seized, starting sometime in 1921 or so, when the Home Office determined that all the returning Tommys from the trenches of Belgium presented too great a threat to the domestic government.  Most personal weapons were seized, so by the time May 1940 rolled around the Home Guard were drilling with broomsticks.  Donations from thousands of Americans of private rifles helped to fill the breach, not just Roosevelts’ Lend-Lease.

The emasculation of Europe had started long before the first bombs of the Blitz had begun to fall.

Fast forward to modern day.

European Conservatives, or at least those who believe in limited government, self-reliance and individual rights, are extremely embattled right now. 

I used to want to live in Europe, but having spent some time there, I realized that they are living under regimes that make Nancy Pelosi look like Strom Thurmond. 

Europe, and particularly England, is no longer free.  Guns for the individual citizen are all but gone, even if guncrime has soared. 

Free speech is a thing of the past and immigration is so out of control that the threat of domestic Islamic terrorism forms a cloud of fear in many parts of your cities.  The uniquitous surveillance cameras—a la Orwells 1984—are posted on many street corners.

How can you hope to turn this around? 

Are there any Maggie Thatchers to ride to your rescue?  Will you ever re-win the right to speak the truth?  Will you ever be able to deport thousands of immigrants who openly hate England and want to make war against it?  Will you ever be able to put that rifle back on the wall of every English cottage?  From what I can see, the scenario in The Camp of the Saints isn’t so far off from England’s reality of today.

I say this not to mock, but to point out the current situation, particularly to my American friends who might not have been to Europe or England. 

Now is the time that you must fight, as Winston Churchill stated, but you must fight politically, because by the time a shooting war with whomever wrests control of your government—your populations disarmed and spoon-fed the pap of victimhood—you will only be the next generation of victims.

...for great justice

The resolve to resist the German occupation was strong there, however and small victories were made in other ways.

You make Gene’s point here, which was that Gandhi’s pacifism would have had dire consequences in WWII.  He named specific groups, whereas you generalize about “Europe”, when he didn’t generalize in that way.  Once again, your response, which is quite accurate, is nevertheless not a reply to what Gene wrote.  Emotion?

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Sdanese are not being killed by ARABS as the media started it , they are feloow AFRICANS but with a different religion which is Islam. They African in features, colour ,and culture.they did not come from any other country in Arabia but Africa.

And now goofy be’atch tumbles back into complete stupidity. Honey? Get an education. Then get a job. Then buy a clue.

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Pussy face knowlage and education is here unlike you Americans in who know nothing outside of Idaho.You could not recognise quotes from discusions then purrrr your self to sleep till the storm weather goes and maybe maybe if it gets warmer , so would you brains too.

Zig why you make out as if England was a terrorist free zone.Never had their been any Muslim extremists attack on English accept for Libya as an ndivisual country.After hte first Iraqi war no one attacked England because they were not involved deeply.

the only Terrorists attacks that were happening were by Christian terrorist groups called the IRA who are FUNDED by the Amerocan irish organisations via chariteis from NYPD ...etc.

The ETA is another Christian terrorist org that has been going on far far longer than Al qaida , so was ira too

Who the hell are youy directing the problem with Imigration to ?? American who were imigrants them selves?? unlike the ones in Europe ,they (Americans ) masacred, tourtured the natives and the ones who were bought forsfully as slaves to them??

The only way to stop Immigrants flooding to the west is to STOP America from creating WARS as in Iraq...etc.

the other problem is the terrorist attacks around the islamic and western world that ONLY started due to the Palestinian issue and not tha religious bullshit that is used as an excuse to explain to the world as towhy the Jews with the help of the Christians are treating their fellow Muslim Palestinian like animals and slaves.

As some fellow Christian countreis who were not attackrd by Al qaida helped America seek its revengeon the wrong coutry and wrong man,so are the Muslims helping each other.

That if 9 11 was not another Bush-laden buisness joint venture to get hold of Iraqi oil.

We had an English barrister come to teach the European Institutions aspect of our law course.  She was black as the ace of spades, since she came from the Jamaican part of the Commonwealth, but spoke like the Queen of England and was gifted with a wonderful sense of humor.  She introduced herself to the class with the following:

You Americans have a silly expression—there is no such thing as a stupid question—because, of course, darlings, there are and you ask them all the time! So, before raising your hands, I want you to pause and think.  Clear all that rubbish and cobwebs from your little minds and see if you can answer the question yourself, and only after you have determined there is something you really need to know, gather your thoughts and then ask the question.

So, Lisa, if you have a question, by all means, do ask away, but if you want me to try to address a polemic, my dear, I’m afraid you shall be waiting for a very, very long time.

Now sort all that rubbish out and boil your question down to the logical nub, will you?

...for great justice

The fake accent dodge is funny, and entirely transparent. As for the qoute, you got it from a movie. How do I know? Because you wrote it as said in the movie. 34:31 does not say any of what you have spewed in this thread. And trying to cover by going to wiki just makes you look that much lamer. So, goodbye, goofy be’atch.Its been funny, and little more.

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What you have blabered is typical of a defeated person who can’t find an answer, so you give answers irrelivent to what the topic is about.Like we say here in England You can tell how Americans think by listening to their presidents.

Pussy face, can you clarify your weird answer?.You not only have 9 lives but also 9 personalities.

You make Gene’s point here, which was that Gandhi’s pacifism would have had dire consequences in WWII.

Robert, the first paragraph was directed to you and explained the position I took in the previous post. However, the rest of the script was a response to MZ and discussed some of the circumstances which impelled me to respond to him in the way I did.

Move_Zig, you can call me whatever you like, but for the record, I have not had sexual relations with that woman (not even a BJ). I’ve never even had sexual relations with A mother, though anyone who’s married with kids, technically has.

Do not fear to be eccentric in opinion, for every opinion now accepted was once eccentric.

MOFO,

I am reminded of a dialog from the movie Patton, and have to laugh.

(MUSlC PLAYS)

Translator: Excuse me, sir. General Katkov would like to know if you’ll join him. . .
. . .to drink to the surrender of Germany.

Patton: My compliments to the general.  Please inform him that I do not care to drink with him. . .
. . .or any other Russian son of a bitch.

Translator: Sir?  . . .I cannot tell the general that.

Patton: You tell him that.  Tell him word for word.

Translator: (SPEAKS IN RUSSIAN)

(Russian General’s smile dissolves to a look of anger, speaks his reply in Russian to translator)

Translator:  The general says he thinks that. . .
. . .you are a son of a bitch too.

Patton: (his stone-faced look turns to a smile)
Okay. I’ll drink to that.  One son of a bitch to another.

...for great justice

You make Gene’s point here, which was that Gandhi’s pacifism would have had dire consequences in WWII.

This was a reference to your first comment on this thread, which began:

Don’t even know why I’m responding to your ignorance, Gene.

My point is that Gene wasn’t all that ignorant.  Understand?

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Got it! Thanks for the clarification, Robert.
Gene, sorry about the choice of language.

Do not fear to be eccentric in opinion, for every opinion now accepted was once eccentric.

Gene,

I am not a man of the cloth, but in response to the questions on your blog with regard to the positive duty of resistance to tyranny, here are some links.

The first, Vindiciae Contra Tyrannos, A Defense of Liberty Against Tyrants, was used as by the Founders as a way of justifying their rising up against King George III and responding to the accusations of treason against the Crown.

Another, brief disucssion was put up by WorldNetDaily, entitled Biblical Self Defense

yet another, Self-Defense in Exodus 22:2-3 ... and Luke 22:36

There is another writer, not sure if I wholly endorse everything she says, but she has done some scriptural research and provides the following, among others, to justify self-defense:

In 1 Peter 2:13-15 it says, “Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord’s sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme; or unto governors as unto them sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well. For this is the will of God.” Yes, we are to submit to government authority, unless they contradict God’s laws which were protected and written into the Constitution.

We ought to obey God rather than men” (Acts 5:29).

Acts 5:29 and 1 Peter 2:13-15 a teach important doctrine concerning the Christians obedience to the civil magistrate and how to respond to tyranny. They instruct us to obey both God and man; but if the commands of men contradict the express commands of God, we must give our obedience to God. Tyranny must be resisted, but only in accordance with God’s Word.

Luke 22:36 is also cited by the [other] NRA:

We must also consider what Christ told his disciples in his last hours with them: “. . . But now, he who has a money bag, let him take it, and likewise a sack and he who has no sword let him sell his garment and buy one” (Luke 22:36, emphasis added). Keep in mind that the sword was the finest offensive weapon available to an individual soldier—the equivalent then of a military rifle today.

The Christian pacifist will likely object at this point that only a few hours later, Christ rebuked Peter who used a sword to cut off the ear of Malchus, a servant of the high Priest in the company of a detachment of troops. Let us read what Christ said to Peter in Matthew 26:52-54:

Put your sword in its place, for all who take the sword will perish by the sword. Or do you think that I cannot now pray to My Father, and He will provide Me with more than twelve legions of angels? How then could the Scriptures be fulfilled, that it must happen thus?

It was not the first time that Christ had to explain to the disciples why He had come to earth. To fulfill the Scriptures, the Son of God had to die for the sin of man since man was incapable of paying for his own sin apart from going to hell. Christ could have saved His life, but then believers would have lost their lives forever in hell. . . .

While Christ told Peter to “put your sword in its place,” He clearly did not say get rid of it forever. That would have contradicted what he had told the disciples only hours before.

And finally, there always that bit in the Bible where Jesus comes not to bring peace, but the Sword.

Personally, I share the conviction of St. Bernard’s exhortation to the Christian knight’s during the Crusades that slaying the Islamic Saracen and Turkomen raiders was not the sin of homicide, but the Biblically-endorsed destruction of evil, which he called Malecide.

Deus Vult, mutherfucker!

...for great justice

Is Gandhi Burning for All Eternity in Hell?

He’s down there with Anne Frank.

Limey, did you point your finger while looking sternly admonishing and them bite your lower lip in restrained regret? The “I never had sex” line does not work if you didn’t. Just ask Bill Clinton.

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That was the joke!

Do not fear to be eccentric in opinion, for every opinion now accepted was once eccentric.

Mr Zig
Again a fine piece of scholarship.  I am posting your comments raw with a minor disclaimer. 

I think you deserve kudos for having done the research on this. 

I am going to follow up, but I am confident that what you have done is pretty good theology since I am a gun owner, fan of fighting the good fight even with a gun, pro capital punishment, Anti-Abortion, you know, the classic Right Wing Radical Christan Extreamist.  A badge I wear with honor.

Doesn’t mean we don’t love our neighbor as ourself, it’s just a bad plan for our neighbor to molest our daughter or try to harm my family. 

He will meet his maker or more likely the devil way ahead of his time.

Same with the nazi’s in the Middle east who instead of a swastica use a Crescent Moon. 

Bigoted.  Just a tad against evil people.

OH, and Dave

I know theologically you won’t understand this, but Anne Franke didn’t reject Jesus as Gandhi did.  So she isn’t in Hell.  She as a Jew is in Abraham’s arms. 

What about the man in Sibera who is neither Muslim, Jew or Christian, and who never even HEARD of Jesus.  What of him or her?  They suffer neither the pangs of Hell nor the glory of Heaven.  But, every man knows there is something, God or something out there and if he in his own way honors him and never hears the claims of Christ he is ushered into the realm of Glory that fits his perception.

There are levels of Heaven as well as levels of hell.
It’s called the many stripes theology.  I won’t explain it here.  You can google it.

This has been fun but I’m moving on.  Thanks

[b]Old Tigers are more dangerous when they believe this could be their last hunt.

From , “The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen”
Old tigers, sensing the end,
they’re at their most fierce. 
And they go down fighting.

Gene,

hooo Jeez! 

Thanks, but I do hope you clean it up a tad.  I just cobbled together some links and tossed it back to you for sake of argument.  It’s really a mess.  The long quotes section is excerpted from a larger work and not even in order.

I got a lot of this info from sources like Val Finnel of Virginia Citizen’s Defense League, Larry Pratt of Gunowners of America and JFPO, which I believe is short for Jews For The Preservation of Firearms Ownership. 

I used to be a Keyboard Kommando against the Clinton Gungrab of the 1990’s and rubbed shoulders with the greats, but alas, have faded into obscurity. Now I’m just hiding out here in the Jundland Wastes under an assumed name.

...for great justice

Gene the Nazis in the middle east are the zionists with a star in their flag???, who created missery degradation,poverty,death to millions of people who were minding their own selves, just so the Christian west can rid of them???

Funny the opressed become the opressers.funny how we critisize Muslims for quoting from their koran excuses for attacking Non Muslims with the reason of defending their opressed fellow Muslim ,as they claim!.

Anne frank did NOT accept Jesus as her savior nor doese any Jew in all history, in fact they hate his got, and has been accused of all sorts of evil things ,and Mary his mum .

Another hipocritical that goes on in the west is when Muslims beleive that all non Muslims are going to hell of THIS day and age , we are quick to condem them and go into a state of shock and anger and call for their Heads and imams to clarify their position.

Lisa,

The regulars know that for the most part I don’t address Leftists or Trolls (redundant?), but your case is intriguingly weird. 

I am curious as to your motivation.  Your thought process.

As a young man, I studied history of WWII, and after reading of their martial and scientific accomplishments, I developed a great admiration for the soldiers of the Wehrmacht and the pilots of the Luftwaffe, as well as the scientists and engineers who would develop the world’s first operational jet fighters and rockets (for examples: (Erich Hartmann - the Ace of all Aces: with 352 Confirmed Kills, whereas the highest scoring US ace was P-38 pilot, Dick Bong, with 40 confirmed kills; the Stuka pilot Hans Ulrich Rudel, who destroyed over 519 Soviet tanks; Panzer Ace Michael Wittman, Tiger tank commander, who in one engagement, single-handledly destroyed approximately 42 British tanks and armored fighting vehicles; Rommel; Guderian, and all the rest.  Even the martial music was appealing.)

I even learned German, and because I studied war on the Eastern Front, some Russian as well.

But as I later studied not the soldiers, but their political masters, things began to change.  As glorious and noble their achievements as soldiers might have been, there was no escaping that the ideology that commanded them was based on hatred.

When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

—1 Corinthians 13:11

So, even as a young man, I might have admired the Soldiers and Fliers of the Third Reich, it finally dawned on me that nothing good can come of a belief system that was based on hatred and the need to kill, invade and oppress.

I can understand that young kids, perhaps through their college years, might embrace Marxism for all the appealing lies that Socialism sways their young converts with, I cannot understand their failing to wake up, once they mature, and realize that Statist ideologies are, at bottom, evil.

Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.

—Winston Churchill

I have read and noted your posts.  I see a great deal of anger and vitriole in them, and not a whole lot of logic. 

Have you paused to reflect that nothing good comes from embracing hatred? —which is what Socialism is based on. 

Have you ever paused to reflect at all?

What is your perfect system?  Have you considered how many times it has been tried, to the point that at one point in this century, half the world’s population endured a bleak existence, ground under by the boot of Socialism?

If you can master more than one foreign language, clearly you can assimilate information.

Why have you not assimilated the murder of millions under the aegis of Socialism and the absolutely brutal conditions those who live under Statist regimes?

I can only conclude that those who staunchly believe in Statist, totalitarian regimes well into adulthood are either:

a) extremely, indeed, criminally foolish;
b) insane; or
c) themselves evil.

Please tell me that you are no older than 19.

...for great justice

Gang, I been going back through what I have left of older comment thread notifs, and this lisa appears to have been here a few months ago, or at least someone using the usename and from the stlye of typing it may well be the same person. If so it has undergone a bit of a change, and not for the better.

lisa, I don’t know what your deal is, but you need to seriously rethink a few things.

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That’s why I put you in charge of the situation 2h9.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

Ya talk to so many different people at so many different sites things start to blur together. That was what I really loved about receiving the entire comment instead of just a “someone has commented”. Alas, pretty much no one does that anymore, I think older Blogspot sites still do. Next ones I get I’ll check. And boohoo I lost most of the ones I had kept.

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By England I presume you mean Britain? Idiots, if you can’t even get that right then I don’t think you should be spouting about European cowardice, which is total bollocks anyway!

Grrrrr.

Britain produced the likes of Nelson,Morgan,Churchill,Drake,Cromwell,Thatcher. England produces Chamberlain,Prince Charles, and whiny little surrender monkeys like you. So bollocks to you.

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Sorry 2H9, they were all English too.

Do not fear to be eccentric in opinion, for every opinion now accepted was once eccentric.

It all depends upon your definition. Once you get to know CDUSA you’ll understand.

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Zig what motivates me are SPACED people like you living on another planet.

What you do not understand ,never heard of, or experienced will surly find weid and ALIEN !.

You being narrow minded,one sided,and deny facts motivates me to inlighten you.

Posting Factual quotes from one of the most Influential books which is according to most biblical Scolars,is the ROOT of all EVIL and the cause of the Missery of what is going on in the world. From slavery,racsim,child abuse,lack of womens right,wars ,Genocide..etc, gets people like angry and offensive.

I am here to attack Hypocracy and double standard in any religion or culture.

Instead of calling me weird,or full of hate,why not shut me up with valid and factual points.You quote and i quote ...so it goes on.

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My dear Lisa,

Off our meds today are we?

I am tempted to ask the old what’s the color of your sky in the world you inhabit but that would be too Pop Culture and not very original.

Seriously, you have made no point other than to spew invective. 

Shall we try again?

While I am sorely tempted to heap derision upon you, I would really like to see you make a serious effort at making at least a partially-coherent reply.

Let’s start with the basics: where do you come from?

That might give me an insight into your background.

Otherwise, we might be able to squeeze in a session for you between Tony Soprano and the GEICO Caveman.

...for great justice

She has let slip she lives in England, though has only been here for three to four years.

Do not fear to be eccentric in opinion, for every opinion now accepted was once eccentric.

Fellas, and especially MOFO,

I just went over my old entry and caught a mistake.  I can’t believe an Englishman and a student of war history didn’t catch my mistake:

One other point, the English would have been hard-pressed to put up any sort of a fight had the Luftwaffe won aerial superiority at least over Southeastern England and the German plan for invasion of England—Operation Seelowe-- been carried out, since much of England’s material was left in smoking ruins in France and on the beaches of Normandy.

Dunkirk!  Sorry folks, it was from Dunkirk that the BEF had evacuated from France.
Duh!

...for great justice

Dunkirk, the highpoint of diplomacy. Neville Chamberlain’s crowning achievement.

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Dunkirk took place under Churchill! See here. Chamberlain resigned on 10th May 1940, but the Dunkirk evacuation didn’t start until 22nd May.

Move_Zig, I didn’t notice it, but I knew what you were referring to. I probably read ‘Dunkirk’.

Do not fear to be eccentric in opinion, for every opinion now accepted was once eccentric.

So, BEF collapsed in 12 days?

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HELL/GOD does not exist. You are unable to prove his/its existence. Believing in something you’ve never seen (proven) is being naive.