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When the Boogeyman goes to sleep every night, he checks his closet for Chuck Norris.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

Huckabee does appear to be rising. I think i am going to support him. He did so much for Arkansas when we was there...had a high 60s positive rating when he left office.

Did you mean he increased taxes 60%?

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

National.  Smoking.  Ban.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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He does know better than you what’s good for you.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

Yup.  Him and Hillary.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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Huckabee? Who is that? This guy better not get elected on some ‘he doesn’t suck as much of the rest’ vote. This time there ain’t any good ones for president. I think its finally time to purge all the public officials and employees and only hire back 15 or so per state. That would be a good starting point. Then John Wayne could come riding through and offer protection for a small fee!

National.  Smoking.  Ban.

That. can. still. only. be. considered. one. issue.

He does know better than you what’s good for you.

He’s not knowing better for YOU (the smoker), he’s protecting what’s better (clean air) for ME

10-12-07
NARAL’s (abortion) political director Elizabeth Shipp acknowledged it “would help” the pro-choice movement if a Republican proved it was possible to win the presidency while still supporting abortion rights (ie… Rudy Giuliani) .

He’s not knowing better for YOU (the smoker), he’s protecting what’s better (clean air) for ME

I’ve never been a smoker, smoked one cigarette in my life total.

Rob is also not a smoker.

Nice try at turning the argument personal.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

George:

He’s not knowing better for YOU (the smoker), he’s protecting what’s better (clean air) for ME

“Protection” is a relative term here.  The health effects on the general populous have been oversold.  In any well-ventilated area, it’s much less hazardous than direct smoking; maybe not even meeting the threshold of clinical significance.

I’m not a smoker and prefer to eat in a restaurant where I don’t have to smell somebody’s second-hand smoke.  But there is a fair amount of nanny-statism here with the science being misused to further a particular political agenda.

Naturally, lefties always start by accusing the rest of us of doing what they are already doing, even if we are just pointing out obvious facts like the difference in the concentration level for tar and nicotine of a second-hand smoker compared to a direct smoker is enough to reduce the effective cigarette usage to about one cigarette a day (and that is assuming you’re in an environment where you have exposure to it all day).  One cigarette per day is a low enough dose rate, it probably has zero health ramification in a normal healthy adult.

You’re probably at a much greater risk in a city environment from smog.

Don’t get me wrong, I hate the smell of cigarette smoke, and am glad to be in an environment that is “less hostile”.  But there should be limits to my rights:  I shouldn’t be able to intrude into somebody’s live and tell them what they can or cannot do.

Nice try at turning the argument personal.

Whis, YOU = ya’ll. I wasn’t talking about you personally.

10-12-07
NARAL’s (abortion) political director Elizabeth Shipp acknowledged it “would help” the pro-choice movement if a Republican proved it was possible to win the presidency while still supporting abortion rights (ie… Rudy Giuliani) .

I’m not a fan of his position on the smoking ban either, although I do think that local bans of smoking in certain public areas are a good thing. Like here at the State Capitol grounds for example.

This is the only thing I can find that I don’t care for on Huckabee, though. Every candidate has a downside, but Huckabee has just 1 - Giuliani, Romney, and McCain have too many to count. When it comes to Huckabee v. Thompson, I just think that Huckabee is a profound public speaker who is frankly quite inspiring, and I think that he could really tear Hillary to bits in a debate. When it comes down to it, tearing Hillary apart in a debate is what we really need.

We can fix the smoking problem without banning it outright in restaurants. But if Huck’s most horrid mortal sin is that he isn’t taking the BEST method in trying to make air safer to breathe in a restaurant, how can you vote for anyone? Nobody has perfect records for everything.

Really, I think most people should just come out and admit they don’t like him for his religious affiliations.

10-12-07
NARAL’s (abortion) political director Elizabeth Shipp acknowledged it “would help” the pro-choice movement if a Republican proved it was possible to win the presidency while still supporting abortion rights (ie… Rudy Giuliani) .

Yeah, I agree wholeheartedly with what you’re saying Matt.

I just think that Huckabee is a profound public speaker who is frankly quite inspiring, and I think that he could really tear Hillary to bits in a debate

For the most part everyone will agree with you on this, but everyone disagrees who can really do this.

10-12-07
NARAL’s (abortion) political director Elizabeth Shipp acknowledged it “would help” the pro-choice movement if a Republican proved it was possible to win the presidency while still supporting abortion rights (ie… Rudy Giuliani) .

There’s also that Tax Raising thing that Mike’s good at.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

And on the smoking ban I have a hard time voting for a duck that thinks he can come onto private property and tell everyone what legal activities they can and can not do.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

I’m not a fan of his position on the smoking ban either, although I do think that local bans of smoking in certain public areas are a good thing.

Smoking bans in public places are a different matter than smoking bans in private places like bars/restaurants.  The public owns public places.  The public, collectively, does not own private places.

And you guys are fools to discount Huck’s nanny-statism.  It is a serious matter, because if he’s willing to chuck things like federalism and property rights into the dustbin over smoking...what’s next?

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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Smoking bans in public places are a different matter than smoking bans in private places like bars/restaurants.  The public owns public places.  The public, collectively, does not own private places.

That’s why Huckabee only wants to ban it in public places. Huckabee has the opinion that second hand smoke is as deadly in the long run as toxic gas is in the short run, so he’s acting on that opinion. I don’t think that this opinion would affect any other issue. He wants to secure the border, he’s socially conservative, he wants to win the war, he has the strongest 2nd amendment record, he’s an amazing public speaker, and he’s an avid supporter of the FairTax. And that is why he has now surpassed Romney in today’s national Rasmussen poll.

Do public places include my privately owned Bar or restaurant?

Besides if he’s going to act on junk science then we have the duty to see that he doesn’t get any political power over us.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

Smoking bans in public places are a different matter than smoking bans in private places like bars/restaurants.

True. But even private property is subject to reasonable and responsible safety if it affects the rest of the UNSUSPECTING public citizen who happens to enter a restaurant, only to find out 10 minutes later people are lighting up everywhere.

Yes, a better solution would SEEM to be: “put a sign on your door that you allow smoking”. Fine, but until now he’s done what he thought was protecting the most rights, which I’m surprised isn’t something you don’t find actually encouraging.

10-12-07
NARAL’s (abortion) political director Elizabeth Shipp acknowledged it “would help” the pro-choice movement if a Republican proved it was possible to win the presidency while still supporting abortion rights (ie… Rudy Giuliani) .

OMG, you can’t figure out if anyone’s smoking in the bar or not?

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

I’ll let Mike do the talking:

Certainly, I don’t believe that we as a government have a right to tell people what to do or not do. The issue is one of workplace safety. The same reason that the government regulates the exposure of radon and other toxic gases in the workplace. In Arkansas I signed a bill that banned smoking in certain public areas and businesses, but not in bars/restaurants, because those were places consumers could more easily choose to go to or not to go. So, in the workplace, if we regulate smoking, it is an issue of worker safety. The responsibility initially lies with the states, of course. The only way this would be a federal responsibility is for it taking on that role as part of OSHA as it regulates other work place safety.

Matt, in case you hadn’t notice Radon is a colorless odorless gas.  You can be exposed to it day after day and never know about it.

On the other hand most people can tell at the front door whether or not smoking is going on and make a decision to enter (or take the job).

“Nanny State.”

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

I don’t have a huge problem with this since Huckabee knows that this should be taken care of by the states. Its not like he’s John Edwards telling you to go to the doctor.

Matt:  I guess you missed it but he said that there should be a nationwide ban.
Watch the video.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

I’ve seen that video. The quote that I pulled up a couple of posts ago was his clarification of his position. He has a more complex view of this issue than just “let’s ban smoking nationally.”

Matt: I believed him when he said that on that clip. 

I’m not going to believe the weasel wording of his statement.

The responsibility initially lies with the states, of course. The only way this would be a federal responsibility is for it taking on that role as part of OSHA as it regulates other work place safety.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

No matter what Mike Huckabee says, there ain’t gonna be no ban on smoking.  Period!  There’s simply too much tax revenue involved.

“I have a history of opposition to excise taxes, but in light of the heavy financial weight smokers place on Medicare expenditures and the overwhelming proof linking the increase in cost of tobacco products with a decrease in youngsters buying cigarettes; it’s the right call.”

-Congressman Charlie Rangel, (D, NY) Chairman of the tax-writing House Ways and Means Committee, speaking in support of a $1.00 per pack increase of the federal excise tax on cigarettes, purportedly to help pay for SCHIP.

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

I say ban tobacco, the mafia needs more sources of income.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

I hope the mafia does take it over, that way cigarettes will be a hell of allot cheaper.

Calling people “nanny staters” reminds of those pathetic little kids on playground when I was a kid. And I loose respect for people who go around throwing that in people’s faces. I can’t stand John Kerry, but almost as irritating were people jeering “flip flop"…

It’s annoying, and there’s no searching for the truth. You don’t like him because he’s a baptist minister, or maybe it’s something else. Because truth be told, you could live with Thompson or Rudy if they had this same stance on smoking.

If you want to talk about nannys, go look at Rudy’s funding abortion, and come back and tell me he’s not a nanny. Go look at his position on gun control… don’t tell me you can live with that, and then complain about Huck not liking smoking of all things!

10-12-07
NARAL’s (abortion) political director Elizabeth Shipp acknowledged it “would help” the pro-choice movement if a Republican proved it was possible to win the presidency while still supporting abortion rights (ie… Rudy Giuliani) .

Ok, Mike Huckabee doesn’t respect property lives, thinks that any money we might have is his to spend, wants to shove that global warming cap and trade scheme down our throat, wants to make us pay to cover “poor kids” 25 years old with family incomes of $80,000 with health insurance, and hiked taxes on groceries of all things.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

george said, Calling people “nanny staters” reminds of those pathetic little kids on playground when I was a kid.

And then he says,…

If you want to talk about nannys, go look at Rudy’s funding abortion, and come back and tell me he’s not a nanny.

You pathetic little kid! (Your own words there. Eat ‘em.)

Why do you keep on bringing up his religion? Nobody here cares. We only care if he’s a Muslim or some other wacked-out religion. What is Huckabee? Some kind of Baptist? BFD. Nobody here cares.

You pathetic little kid!

You’re right, I am. They say you are who you’re around, and I apologize.

10-12-07
NARAL’s (abortion) political director Elizabeth Shipp acknowledged it “would help” the pro-choice movement if a Republican proved it was possible to win the presidency while still supporting abortion rights (ie… Rudy Giuliani) .

Ok, Mike Huckabee doesn’t respect property lives, thinks that any money we might have is his to spend, wants to shove that global warming cap and trade scheme down our throat, wants to make us pay to cover “poor kids” 25 years old with family incomes of $80,000 with health insurance, and hiked taxes on groceries of all things.

money, money, money… there is another side to calling yourself a conservative. You do know that, right?

10-12-07
NARAL’s (abortion) political director Elizabeth Shipp acknowledged it “would help” the pro-choice movement if a Republican proved it was possible to win the presidency while still supporting abortion rights (ie… Rudy Giuliani) .

george - You’re right, I am. They say you are who you’re around, and I apologize.

No need to bring your home life into this george.

money, money, money… there is another side to calling yourself a conservative. You do know that, right?

Yeah, it’s called freedom. It’s called federalism. Two things that Huckabee is kind of clueless on. You do know that, right?

Apparently not. You have so far mischaracterized the arguments against Huckabee in favor of your imagined ones. (here’s your cue to bring up his religion again as if we gave a fuck)

George I think you’d do better with saying why you think Huck would be a good President and quit “going after for lack of a better word” those that don’t like some of his policies.  Admittedly no “perfect for me” candidate will ever be elected (except RR of course.)

On the other hand I find this nannyism and big money spending to be corrosive to the soul.  Making people do what’s good for them and taking away the consequences when they do something harmful to their selves makes for bunch of irresponsible children rather than a respectable electorate.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

if we gave a fuck

if you don’t have a point, drop the F bomb.

10-12-07
NARAL’s (abortion) political director Elizabeth Shipp acknowledged it “would help” the pro-choice movement if a Republican proved it was possible to win the presidency while still supporting abortion rights (ie… Rudy Giuliani) .

George I think you’d do better with saying why you think Huck

I’ll tell you why. He’s pro-life. And human life comes before all other issues. And as long as we have the Rudys of the world out there promising to keep killing children legal, and they lead in the polls, I will back any other candidate.

10-12-07
NARAL’s (abortion) political director Elizabeth Shipp acknowledged it “would help” the pro-choice movement if a Republican proved it was possible to win the presidency while still supporting abortion rights (ie… Rudy Giuliani) .

george - if you don’t have a point, drop the F bomb.

You mean you ignored the point and focused solely on the F bomb.

How sad. Here you go: fuck.

Now you think that I have said nothing else. In one ear and out the other. All you heard was “fuck”.

Huckabee’s website is attracting more visitors than any other Republican candidate

I just have one thing to say about that nonsense. Ron Paul

Huckabee will “happily sign” more taxes.