Home Mobile Authors Say Anything Register Login

Friday, May 09, 2008

Operation Chaos: Crossing The Line As a Reporter

The news may be late but the issue is still pertinent.  Is Rush Limbaugh overstepping his responsibilities as a reporter in Operation Chaos: his instructions that his listeners switch over and vote for Hillary in Indiana to create for a chaotic and drawn-out battle against Obama, weakening the nominee?

The difference he substantiated by his instructions, as reported by him, enabled Hillary to win.  If so, then he has successfully tampered with the votes--an incredible power.

Is it too much power? The Democrats DO have television, and Rush has talk-radio. I want your thoughts.

Comments

If so, then he has successfully tampered with the votes--an incredible power.

I think you’re wrong.  The people that crossed the party lines were following the law and voting the way they wanted to.

I suppose now we’re going to be told who we may or may not vote for.


The Debate is over!  Global Whining has been confirmed.


The Whistler's signature
The Whistler on May 9, 2008 at 11:20 am

If Limbaugh’s influence did substantiate a difference enough in the Indiana primaries to enable Hillary to win then he HAS influenced the votes.  In a way, he has tampered them.

The issue is not the legality, although Rush’s actions might come under the scope of the Fairness doctrine, but whether or not Rush was ethical.

Is that too much power?

dirl126 on May 9, 2008 at 11:35 am

Was it ok for the lefties in the press to push John McCain or Bob Dole?


The Debate is over!  Global Whining has been confirmed.


The Whistler's signature
The Whistler on May 9, 2008 at 11:41 am

I think that rather than concern over Limbaugh exercising his free speech rights to suggest that Republicans do something that was entirely legal and within the framework of rules set by the Democrats themselves, the focus should instead be on explaining why the millions of voters in two states, Michigan and (ironically) Florida, have been completely shut out of the nominating process.

The decision of when to hold a state’s primary is not that of the state party, but of the state legislature which must appropriate the necessary funds to pay for the primary election.  I find it an incredible bit of hypocrisy that the party that screamed “count every vote” for the past 7 years now blithely excludes the votes of its own party members in two states.

It will be amusing to watch the Democrats try to win in either Michigan or Florida this November.


“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Bat One on May 9, 2008 at 11:46 am

Limbaigh is not a reporter. He’s a commentator, and opinionist, if you will. He’s not objective, as a reprter of events should be, he’s subjective.

He expresses his opinions. If people choose to follow his lead, so be it. On the other hand, if people choose to critisize his opinions and he has to pay a price for them, so be that as well. Look at what happened to Don Imus and more recently Randi Rhodes when their opinions went too far.

And, no, I’m not his biggest fan by any means. But he has the right to an opinion as much any person who wants to haul up a soapbox on a street corner and spout off. Or write on a blog for that matter.

He has a bigger soapbox, that’s all.


Election ‘08 - We Are So Screwed

Pilgrim on May 9, 2008 at 11:51 am

Limbaugh’s actions are legal, but I think it goes against my own personal taste of election ethics.

Bat One: Why did they exclude those two states?
Has the legislature not been able to provide necessary funds?

dirl126 on May 9, 2008 at 11:55 am

Good question.  What of MSNBC and the obvious bias of Keith O?  Talk TV?
Rush does not pass himself off as a reporter.  Similar to Air America who do the same thing.  Is there anyone who thinks that liberals, democrats and others influenced the nomination of John McCain?  Anyone can influence people.  Bloggers, back fence talkers, friends, radio, TV, newspapers.


Communism is evil

Chief RZ on May 9, 2008 at 11:57 am

Those two states had earlier primaries than the Democrats allowed.  Excluding their delegates was their punishment. 

They had votes and Hillary won both of them, although Obama was not on the ballot in Michigan.

I don’t know that advances the count every vote argument.  But then Democrats aren’t about that.  They are more about counting every vote for them.


The Debate is over!  Global Whining has been confirmed.


The Whistler's signature
The Whistler on May 9, 2008 at 11:58 am

Why did they exclude those two states?

The DNC set rules as to when each state could hold their primaries. Michigan and Florida both set the date of their primaries ahead of the dates permitted by the DNC (perhaps wanting greater influence in selecting the party’s candidate?).
The DNC penalized them (see: “disenfranchisement") by not allowing their delegates to be seated at the convention. (That’s if they stick to their rules and Hillary can’t get them changed!)



Those who think the party or the country, will be “taught a lesson” by handing the levers of power over to the liberals will learn a lesson, but it will be at the expense of our country and her liberties. And there are no guarantees that the party or the country will come out stronger, more conservative or better positioned to win elections against the incumbent liberals.

Proof on May 9, 2008 at 12:00 pm

I need to learn to type faster!



Those who think the party or the country, will be “taught a lesson” by handing the levers of power over to the liberals will learn a lesson, but it will be at the expense of our country and her liberties. And there are no guarantees that the party or the country will come out stronger, more conservative or better positioned to win elections against the incumbent liberals.

Proof on May 9, 2008 at 12:01 pm

Pilgrim: it was not an opinion. it was an “Operation”!

He said it himself, he spoke to his millions of listeners in a mockable but serious tone of instructions on an operation to sabotage the elections. “I am a unifier.  I bring unity to the people”

To me, his contempt of America’s liberals draws the line there when he conspires an unprecedented action of taking over our sacred American elections.

The power to vote is OUR power.  The one power that the people have.

dirl126 on May 9, 2008 at 12:01 pm

I love how lefties think that burning a perfectly good American flag is “free speech”, but when it comes to a conservative expressing his free speech rights, they whine about it.  Typical leftie double standard.


"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

robert108 on May 9, 2008 at 12:02 pm

Whistler, RZ, you both take good points.  Points that I also have serious issues on and won’t hesitate to take a stance against.

There will always be influences, but public conspiracies to tamper with the natural flow of elections IS different.

dirl126 on May 9, 2008 at 12:03 pm

although Obama was not on the ballot in Michigan.

True, but 45% of voters voted against Hillary for “unpledged” candidates! OUCH.

Again, the MSM influences votes on a cultural and brainwashing level that I loathe, McCain was influenced as well but it was NOT a public conspiracies to tamper with the natural flow of elections!

dirl126 on May 9, 2008 at 12:07 pm

...public conspiracies to tamper with the
natural flow of elections IS different.

“Public conspiracies”???  Now you’re just making things up.  With a secret ballot(like we have here in the US) there is no way to predict the “natural flow” of any election.  When the MSM lies about Republicans to influence an election(Dan Rather), is that one of your so-called “public conspiracies”?
How about three years of lying during the Plame trial?
Was that another one of your “public conspiracies”?

You make a mockery of the First Amendment, freedom of speech and freedom of the press(including electronic media).  What you really want is censorship of any view that diverges from leftie ideology.


"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

robert108 on May 9, 2008 at 12:10 pm

ooo, the public conspiracy thing.  How ominous, not. 

Do you want to know what bugs me?  Why is it that Iowa and New Hampshire have all of this influence on who becomes President. 

It’s a bullpoop system and if any state wants to ignore it I’m fine with it.

How about all of these states that haven’t had their chance to vote?  North Dakota had an early caucus but my candidate had already dropped out.


The Debate is over!  Global Whining has been confirmed.


The Whistler's signature
The Whistler on May 9, 2008 at 12:11 pm

Public conspiracy.  At least it was public.  It was legal.  It was opinion.  Personally, I think that we all gained from this drawn out contest.  Without a close contest we would not have known about Obama’s racist pastor, or his close association with a domestic terrorist.  Soon we may learn more about an Iraqi monetary influence.  Would that be a conspiracy?


Communism is evil

Chief RZ on May 9, 2008 at 12:11 pm

Is Rush Limbaugh overstepping his responsibilities as a reporter in Operation Chaos: his instructions that his listeners switch over and vote for Hillary in Indiana to create for a chaotic and drawn-out battle against Obama, weakening the nominee?

Duh, were the alleged switch-overs coerced?  Did he hold a gun to their heads?  Did he bribe them?  You say No?  Then this is a nothing story.  Anyway, Rush should have the same right as anybody to speak his mind regardless of ANY potential effect on his listeners.


Being liberal is never having to admit you’re wrong

docdave on May 9, 2008 at 12:22 pm

To illustrate the absolute nonsense dirl is trying to peddle, isn’t every political campaign “a public conspiracy to tamper with the natural flow of an election”?  Don’t the candidates and all their functionaries attempt to get people to vote for them who might not otherwise do so?  Isn’t it the goal, as a matter of fact, of each candidate’s campaign to interfere with what might be considered the “natural flow” of every election?  Without such “public conspiracies”, how would any challenger get elected?
Isn’t the “natural flow” to re-elect the incumbent, who was previously chosen by the people?
This whole line of thinking is pure nonsense.


"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

robert108 on May 9, 2008 at 12:29 pm

It is perfectly legal, I don’t want to infringe the first Amendment.

But you know what else is legal? burning the flag, the MSM and its brainwashing, and so is Rush’s mass coagulation of his listeners on a mission to sabotage and disrupt the Indiana elections.

They’re legal, but for a man like Rush, who I love as a Republican pundit, I think it was rather below him to do such a thing.

I’m glad you understand my term “public conspiracy” RZ, because you are right, at least it was public.  But of course, it couldn’t be achieved in any other way.  It wouldn’t have been massive and thus effective.

I actually love the outcome of his “Operation Chaos!”, but I dissent with the action that it took to produce these lovely results.

Burning the flag is legal, but that doesn’t make it RIGHT.  With our own freedom and thus responsibility, we must choose not to abuse it.

dirl126 on May 9, 2008 at 12:30 pm

Docdave, you’re right.  It isn’t much of a problem or an issue.

I, personally, was outraged at the audaciousness of Limbaugh’s move as an idol conservative who sticks to moral principles.

That isn’t leadership qualities to me.  I want people’s thoughts on that.

dirl126 on May 9, 2008 at 12:33 pm

dirl, I really don’t have much of an opinion on Rush especially as I don’t listen to him very often [I’m not into talk radio).  However he seems to satify a market need and in the long run that is all that matters, assuming he isn’t breaking any laws.


Being liberal is never having to admit you’re wrong

docdave on May 9, 2008 at 12:56 pm
Avatar for FlyOnTheWall

That isn’t leadership qualities to me.  I want people’s thoughts on that.

DailyKos did the same thing for their state Republican runup and to torpedo their liberal but honorable senator who is now an independant.  If DailyKos does it, it might be legal but it is unquestionably unethical.

I’m an electoral purist, lay the cards on the table and vote for the one you agree with most and is the least sleazy.  I could be wrong but I don’t believe it actually changed anything, hard to tell with a race this close though.

FlyOnTheWall on May 9, 2008 at 01:02 pm

...Rush’s mass coagulation of his listeners on a
mission to sabotage and disrupt the Indiana elections.

More bullshit from you.  Rush advocated for the candidate he wanted in that election, which is what every American is entitled to do.  He was right to do it, as he wants the election to turn out the way he wants, just like everyone else who expresses an opinion.  Your desperate spinning is nonsense.


"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

robert108 on May 9, 2008 at 01:06 pm

It’s always funny when a leftie suddenly tries to take the moral high ground.
I remember another leftie troll trying to sell the same thing a few weeks ago.


"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

robert108 on May 9, 2008 at 01:38 pm

Personally, I don’t think anyone here is a ‘lefty troll’ and the term is -typically - over the top.

Dirl asked for opinons on whether Limbaugh’s “Operation Chaos” crossed the line.

Rush has had a lot of fun with this over the last few weeks while pundits and candidates have rationalized the effectiveness of OC or whether it even really amounts to anything.

Until there is factual, emperical data available, we are all speculating on whether OC really existed or worked.

Does Rush have the right?  Absolutely?

Should he do it?  Well, that’s a more personal matter which each of us must decide for ourselves.

One fact is certain:  Cross-party voting in primaries has been going on for decades.


"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

THIS ELECTION IS ABOUT TWO THINGS: WINNING THE WAR ON TERRORISM AND SAVING THE SUPREME COURT.

pparets on May 9, 2008 at 02:04 pm

dirl,

You proceed from a false premis: that Rush Limbaugh is a reporter.  He is not, and makes no claims to be, a reporter.  I believe he describes himself as an entertainer.


Out Here
Rodney G. Graves

Persia delenda est.
Latin: “Persia (modern day Iran) should be destoyed”

Rodney Graves on May 9, 2008 at 02:36 pm

Personally, I don’t think anyone here is a ‘lefty troll’ and the term is -typically - over the top.

It’s factually accurate.

Dirl asked for opinons on whether Limbaugh’s “Operation Chaos” crossed the line.

Not really; here’s the title, just to remind you:

Operation Chaos: Crossing The Line As a Reporter

I saw no question there.  Furthermore, he invented some nonsense terms, like “public conspiracy” and “mass coagulation of his listeners” that were hardly a request for opinions on the matter.

I think people talking in public is called a “conversation”.


"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

robert108 on May 9, 2008 at 02:39 pm

It’s factually accurate.

No, it’s not.  “lefty troll” is a subjective perjorative, not an objectively definable entity.

And raising a question about the appropriateness of Operation Chaos is not an indicator of political persuasion.


"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

THIS ELECTION IS ABOUT TWO THINGS: WINNING THE WAR ON TERRORISM AND SAVING THE SUPREME COURT.

pparets on May 9, 2008 at 02:47 pm

pparets,

Do you really intend to descend into the politics of identity?


Out Here
Rodney G. Graves

Persia delenda est.
Latin: “Persia (modern day Iran) should be destoyed”

Rodney Graves on May 9, 2008 at 02:55 pm

RGraves:  No.  I intend that it is not a “fact” that Dirl is a “lefty troll” for raising the issue outlined in his post.


"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

THIS ELECTION IS ABOUT TWO THINGS: WINNING THE WAR ON TERRORISM AND SAVING THE SUPREME COURT.

pparets on May 9, 2008 at 03:00 pm

pparets,

Then you are mistaken in your fact, because the post qualifies as a trolling attempt.


Out Here
Rodney G. Graves

Persia delenda est.
Latin: “Persia (modern day Iran) should be destoyed”

Rodney Graves on May 9, 2008 at 03:13 pm

RGraves:  Since when is questioning the appropriateness of an act ‘trolling’?


"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

THIS ELECTION IS ABOUT TWO THINGS: WINNING THE WAR ON TERRORISM AND SAVING THE SUPREME COURT.

pparets on May 9, 2008 at 03:23 pm

pparets,

1) False Premis: “Is Rush Limbaugh overstepping his responsibilities as a <strong<reporter</strong>”

2) Accusation of Wrongdoing: “he has successfully tampered with the votes”

ergo, a troll (dragging bait to see who bites).


Out Here
Rodney G. Graves

Persia delenda est.
Latin: “Persia (modern day Iran) should be destoyed”

Rodney Graves on May 9, 2008 at 03:30 pm

RGraves:  I don’t think this a case of trolling. 

Dirl:

I actually love the outcome of his “Operation Chaos”, but I dissent with the actions it took to produce these lovely results.


"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

THIS ELECTION IS ABOUT TWO THINGS: WINNING THE WAR ON TERRORISM AND SAVING THE SUPREME COURT.

pparets on May 9, 2008 at 03:42 pm

I intend that it is not a “fact” that Dirl is a “lefty troll” for raising the issue outlined in his post.

The leftie troll to whom I was referring was “Hannitized”, who raised almost exactly the same argument awhile back.  Please read more carefully before you go off on one of your rants, pp.  You got it wrong.


"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

robert108 on May 9, 2008 at 04:01 pm

“lefty troll” is a subjective perjorative, not an objectively definable entity.

Wrong again; it’s certainly a pejorative, and is based on fact, like calling Bill Clinton a perjurer and an adulterer.  It’s a fact-based pejorative.  “Hannitized” is a leftie troll.


"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

robert108 on May 9, 2008 at 04:07 pm

robert108:  Oh, come now.  Read your own statement and see if it is possible - even likely - to assume that you are calling Dirl a troll. 

I’m glad to know you weren’t.

“Rants"… another over-the-top label?


"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

THIS ELECTION IS ABOUT TWO THINGS: WINNING THE WAR ON TERRORISM AND SAVING THE SUPREME COURT.

pparets on May 9, 2008 at 04:09 pm

My statement:

I remember another leftie troll trying to sell the same thing a few weeks ago.

I can see why you came up with what you did, but why so belligerent?  IMO, the jury is still out on dirl, but not on “Hannitized”, to whom I was referring.  What’s it to you?

“Rants"… another over-the-top label?

1rant Listen to the pronunciation of 1rant
Pronunciation:
\ˈrant\
Function:
verb
Etymology:
obsolete Dutch ranten, randen
Date:
1601

intransitive verb 1 : to talk in a noisy, excited, or declamatory manner 2 : to scold vehemently transitive verb : to utter in a bombastic declamatory fashion

I think I was pretty accurate.


"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

robert108 on May 9, 2008 at 04:23 pm

As far as the subject matter of this thread is concerned, the real problem for the Dems isn’t Rush, it’s their own identity politics.  You have two Dem special interest groups pitted against each other: women and blacks.  If the Dems were really sincere about their desire to help blacks, they shouldn’t have run anyone against Obama, and ditto for women and Hillary.  They have to throw one of their special interest groups under the bus here.  I am sure that Hillary would have contested this to the bitter end, Rush or no Rush, so while I do find it entertaining, I doubt it’s really significant in any way.
I’m enjoying the lefties twisting themselves into knows trying to make Rush wrong for exercising his free speech rights, while they never comment on the barrage of Dem propaganda emanating from the MSM 24/7.


"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

robert108 on May 9, 2008 at 04:29 pm

That should be: “...twisting themselves into knots...”


"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

robert108 on May 9, 2008 at 04:30 pm

What’s it to you?

As I understand a blog, anything is fair game for comment, as you,yourself often do.

How and where were you scolded vehemently in a noisy, excited or bombastic manner?


"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

THIS ELECTION IS ABOUT TWO THINGS: WINNING THE WAR ON TERRORISM AND SAVING THE SUPREME COURT.

pparets on May 9, 2008 at 04:31 pm

...Since when is questioning the appropriateness of an act ‘trolling’?

“Trolling” is a fishing term; it consists of dragging one or more baited hooks slowly through the water, trying to get something to take the bait.
Lefties who come here and try to bait conservatives with wild and inaccurate accusations are “trolling”.
It’s not honest disagreement.
Dirl’s title was trolling, but he did seem to solicit opinions later in the text, but his own comments were highly opinionated, as if his mind is already made up.


"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

robert108 on May 9, 2008 at 04:33 pm

Let me ask in another way:  “What dog do you have in this fight?” Have you appointed yourself to be dirl’s defender?


"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

robert108 on May 9, 2008 at 04:37 pm

As far as the “vehemence” is concerned, you have taken it upon yourself on several occasions to lecture me on my commenting style, entirely without my solicitation, so I tend to regard you as hostile.


"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

robert108 on May 9, 2008 at 04:39 pm

My ‘dog in this fight’ is simple.  It is not inherently leftist or trolling to question an issue.

Hannitized trolls. RBB trolls.  Dirl’s post was not trolling.

I’m sorry you regard me as hostile, but I’m not surprised.

On another subject… do you have any idea why Brietbart.com no longer carries SAB posts?


"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

THIS ELECTION IS ABOUT TWO THINGS: WINNING THE WAR ON TERRORISM AND SAVING THE SUPREME COURT.

pparets on May 9, 2008 at 04:48 pm

And yes, Graves, I realized Limbaugh is not a reporter from about the 5th post on this subject.

So, has he crossed the line as an entertainer?

I also qualified my statement about him successfully tampering with the elections by saying “If so...”

Either way, I wanted input, and I’ve got some, to note: this has been going on for decades.

I’m glad Pparets has taken it upon himself to defend what is misunderstood in my absense, albeit right or wrong.

dirl126 on May 9, 2008 at 05:00 pm

This is my first post.  I admit, the title does resemble “trolling” although that was NOT my intention.  I’ll keep it in mind the next time I post.

dirl126 on May 9, 2008 at 05:03 pm

dirl,

I don’t agree that Rush Limbaugh “tampered” with the Democratic Primary.  He appears to have influenced it, and that is fine in my estimation.

Especially so given that despite my loathing of her and her husband, I have reluctantly concluded that she’d be less of a foreign affairs disaster than Obama.

It takes candidates as bad as Clinton and Obama to make McCain palatable in comparison.


Out Here
Rodney G. Graves

Persia delenda est.
Latin: “Persia (modern day Iran) should be destoyed”

Rodney Graves on May 9, 2008 at 05:11 pm

Y’all do know that your boy Limbaugh has admitted to being nothing more than a water boy for a gop party he had lost faith in, doncha?

LIMBAUGH 11/9/06: Now, I mentioned to you at the conclusion of the previous hour that people have been asking me how I feel all night long. And I got, “Boy, Rush, I wouldn’t want to be you tomorrow. Boy, I wouldn’t want to have to do your show. Boy, I’m so glad I’m not you.” Well, folks, I love being me. I can’t be anybody else, so I’m stuck with it. But the way I feel is this: I feel liberated, and I’m just going to tell you as plainly as I can why. I no longer am going to have to carry the water for people who I don’t think deserve having their water carried. Now, you might say, “Well, why have you been doing it?”...

…I’m not trying to tell you that this is about me. I’m just answering questions that I’ve had from people about how I feel. But there have been a bunch of things going on in Congress, some of this legislation coming out of there that I have just cringed at, and it has been difficult coming in here, trying to make the case for it when the people who are supposedly in favor of it can’t even make the case themselves—and to have to come in here and try to do their jobs. I’m a radio guy. I understand what this program has become in America and I understand the leadership position it has. I was doing what I thought best, but at this point, people who don’t deserve to have their water carried, or have themselves explained as they would like to say things but somehow don’t be—aren’t able to, I’m not under that kind of pressure.

Image and video hosting by TinyPic

So he carried water when he knew they didn’t deserve it.

Shill?

Yeah, I think that’s called being a shill.

And you trust this turd?


“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

realitybasedbob on May 9, 2008 at 05:22 pm

Y’all do know that your boy Limbaugh has admitted to being nothing more than a water boy for a gop party he had lost faith in,

But I bet he has enough brains to pay his own taxes!
Image and video hosting by TinyPic



Those who think the party or the country, will be “taught a lesson” by handing the levers of power over to the liberals will learn a lesson, but it will be at the expense of our country and her liberties. And there are no guarantees that the party or the country will come out stronger, more conservative or better positioned to win elections against the incumbent liberals.

Proof on May 9, 2008 at 05:27 pm

Proof!  Hahaha!!  OMG!!  You are GOOOOOD!!!


"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

THIS ELECTION IS ABOUT TWO THINGS: WINNING THE WAR ON TERRORISM AND SAVING THE SUPREME COURT.

pparets on May 9, 2008 at 05:37 pm

Too bad he didn’t have enough to say no to the corrupt gop he kowtowed to.

Must have been his years as a doctor shopping drug addict.


“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

realitybasedbob on May 9, 2008 at 05:45 pm

Post another picture, bob. You don’t do so well with words!



Those who think the party or the country, will be “taught a lesson” by handing the levers of power over to the liberals will learn a lesson, but it will be at the expense of our country and her liberties. And there are no guarantees that the party or the country will come out stronger, more conservative or better positioned to win elections against the incumbent liberals.

Proof on May 9, 2008 at 05:50 pm

RBB:  Tsk, tsk.  You keep forgetting the best druggie of them all… Rep. Patrick Kennedy (D) RI.

Commenting on his 4th violation: “It was my meds, it was my meds...”


"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

THIS ELECTION IS ABOUT TWO THINGS: WINNING THE WAR ON TERRORISM AND SAVING THE SUPREME COURT.

pparets on May 9, 2008 at 05:52 pm

Proof,

He sometimes does ok when he cuts and pastes someone else’s words; it’s his own composition and analysis skills which, being based on his reading comprehension skills, suck.


Out Here
Rodney G. Graves

Persia delenda est.
Latin: “Persia (modern day Iran) should be destoyed”

Rodney Graves on May 9, 2008 at 05:54 pm

Prediction: GOP will retain controll of both chambers of Congress, handing the jackasses their fifth strait electoral loss in a row.

Rodney Graves on November 1, 2006 at 09:12 am

it’s his own composition and analysis skills which, being based on his reading comprehension skills, suck.


“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

realitybasedbob on May 9, 2008 at 05:57 pm

I also notice that HaplessBob would rather discuss the merits of someone NOT running for public office as opposed to someone that actually is!



Those who think the party or the country, will be “taught a lesson” by handing the levers of power over to the liberals will learn a lesson, but it will be at the expense of our country and her liberties. And there are no guarantees that the party or the country will come out stronger, more conservative or better positioned to win elections against the incumbent liberals.

Proof on May 9, 2008 at 05:57 pm

I think Rush was much better when he didn’t take himself so seriously. Back when he had the lady yelling for the fems, and the “frogman” singing I Ain’t Got No Home. Now he hardly gives the “robots” credit for crossing over in Indiana. Still someone has to have a stick pin in a room full of RBB’s compatriots.

Mohair Sam on May 9, 2008 at 05:59 pm

Great, no more Rev. Wright BS.
Thanks poof.


“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

realitybasedbob on May 9, 2008 at 06:00 pm

Huff Po Bob: Did Rush Limbaugh ever under the influence of whatever quantities of drugs he was taking, state that there were somewhere between 57 and 60 states in the union?



Those who think the party or the country, will be “taught a lesson” by handing the levers of power over to the liberals will learn a lesson, but it will be at the expense of our country and her liberties. And there are no guarantees that the party or the country will come out stronger, more conservative or better positioned to win elections against the incumbent liberals.

Proof on May 9, 2008 at 06:00 pm

Great, no more Rev. Wright BS.

Wishful thinking dorkwad! More false equivalence from a lib! Who woulda thunk it?



Those who think the party or the country, will be “taught a lesson” by handing the levers of power over to the liberals will learn a lesson, but it will be at the expense of our country and her liberties. And there are no guarantees that the party or the country will come out stronger, more conservative or better positioned to win elections against the incumbent liberals.

Proof on May 9, 2008 at 06:03 pm

BTW, referencing Proof, does anyone think Al franken will win in Minn.?

Mohair Sam on May 9, 2008 at 06:04 pm

Wonder if Obama got geography lessons from Rev. Wright as well? Heh.



Those who think the party or the country, will be “taught a lesson” by handing the levers of power over to the liberals will learn a lesson, but it will be at the expense of our country and her liberties. And there are no guarantees that the party or the country will come out stronger, more conservative or better positioned to win elections against the incumbent liberals.

Proof on May 9, 2008 at 06:05 pm

Proof,

‘could be… He managed to sleep through twenty years of sermons, after all.


Out Here
Rodney G. Graves

Persia delenda est.
Latin: “Persia (modern day Iran) should be destoyed”

Rodney Graves on May 9, 2008 at 06:09 pm

Franken’s got a shot, since Minnesota is pretty liberal, but his apparent incompetence in handling his own business affairs can’t inspire much confidence in him as a leader!



Those who think the party or the country, will be “taught a lesson” by handing the levers of power over to the liberals will learn a lesson, but it will be at the expense of our country and her liberties. And there are no guarantees that the party or the country will come out stronger, more conservative or better positioned to win elections against the incumbent liberals.

Proof on May 9, 2008 at 06:10 pm

I’m sorry you regard me as hostile, but I’m not surprised.

I have already explained the factual basis for that evaluation, so you have no reason to be “surprised” at all.


"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

robert108 on May 9, 2008 at 06:52 pm

robert108:  Looks like you’re letting your angst get ahead of your reason.

I’m NOT surprised.


"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

THIS ELECTION IS ABOUT TWO THINGS: WINNING THE WAR ON TERRORISM AND SAVING THE SUPREME COURT.

pparets on May 9, 2008 at 06:55 pm

robert108: Looks like you’re letting your angst get ahead of your reason.

Actually, you’re projecting; it’s your angst(or animus) that causes you to attempt to hand out unsolicited advice and to give me instructions that I never asked for.  I’ll give you one more chance: Why are you doing this?  Do you think you’re “helping” me in some way?  You support dirl to express his opinion, and even defend him from an imagined slight, but you don’t seem to appreciate it when I express my opinion.  Double standard.


"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

robert108 on May 9, 2008 at 07:08 pm

robert108:  I have - on other posts - criticized Dirl.

I have criticized you.  I have complimented you.

You have criticized me.

We have all criticized each other on SAB and no solicitation is required.

That’s how SAB works.


"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

THIS ELECTION IS ABOUT TWO THINGS: WINNING THE WAR ON TERRORISM AND SAVING THE SUPREME COURT.

pparets on May 9, 2008 at 07:19 pm

We have all criticized each other on SAB and no solicitation is required.

One more time: I’m not talking about criticism; I’m talking about unsolicited advice.


"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

robert108 on May 9, 2008 at 07:26 pm