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Thursday, October 11, 2007

House Bill on Armenian Genocide

My sister just called to tell me that CNN is reporting that Turkey has recalled its ambassador to the US over this:

House Bill on Armenian Genocide Angers Turks
A House committee has voted to condemn the killing of more than 1 million Armenians in Turkey in World War I, explicitly calling the event “genocide.” The Turkish government opposes the resolution — as does the Bush administration, which warns that relations with a key ally could be damaged.

The House Foreign Relations Committee’s vote on the 1915 massacre infuriated Turkish officials. It also prompted protests in Ankara, where crowds of people marched on the American embassy.

My sister works in an office full of Turks and they are all worried. Turkish opposition to any mention of the words “Armenian” and “Genocide” anywhere near each other in any context is just about legendary. There are laws in Turkey to prosecute people for insulting Turkishness by talking about the Armenian genocide. I don’t understand it but I’m from a place where people can make a very good living off of insulting the government and the culture.

It seems that the House Foreign Relations Committee has just dropped us right in the middle of the long standing feud over the Armenian genocide (most everyone in the world who cares believes that it was a genocide while Turkey insists that it absolutely was not). Way to go people, it’s not like we have anything else to do.

From the CNN article linked above:

A top Turkish official warned Thursday that consequences “won’t be pleasant” if the full House approves the resolution.

“Yesterday some in Congress wanted to play hardball,” said Egemen Bagis, foreign policy adviser to Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan. “I can assure you Turkey knows how to play hardball.”

The administration is expected to try to persuade the Democratic leadership not to schedule a vote by the full House, according to The Associated Press.

But House Democratic leaders said earlier if the Foreign Affairs Committee passed the resolution, they intended to bring it to the House floor.

Bagis said since a French Parliament committee passed a similar resolution last year, no French planes have flown through Turkish airspace.

He said the response to the U.S. might not be the same, but warned if the full House passes it, “We will do something and I can promise you it won’t be pleasant.”

Part of me wants us to go toe to toe with the Turkish government and part of me wants to smack the House Democratic leaders for putting us in this position while we are in the middle of a war (that they seem to be doing their best to make us lose). I wouldn’t mind doing both.

(Sam of Uncle Sam’s Cabin.)

Comments

Avatar for Bike Bubba

Yeah, I’m sure all those mass graves filled with women and children arose out of a genuine civil war.  So did the concentration camps and mass exodus of unarmed Armenian men, women, and children.  Just like all those Africans volunteered to be taken to America on those ships.  Yeah, right.

Sorry, but Turkey’s been dodging a historical bullet for nearly a century.  It’s time for them to own up to what was done.

Bike Bubba on October 11, 2007 at 02:17 pm

Look at the history of the Ottoman-Turk Empire and you see a long line of genocides, against most of their smaller neighbors. Their solution for the Kurds was to recruit them as soldiers and leave the rest of them alone in their mountains. With other groups it was the sword and the torch.

Since the old soldier, Atatürk, created the modern state of Turkey it has been their contention that the Armenians were simply rebelling against the legitimate authority of the state, and all was okeydokey and not their fault.


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2Hotel9 on October 11, 2007 at 02:48 pm
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I am just curious what did Armenians do for America...... I’ll tell you what nothing zilch.. zero…
Turkey is an ally and a friend of America and you guys are trying to get us Americans involve in to your problem that America is not even a part of.. why.

Turkey always been there to help America in Korea, Somalia, First Gulf War,Afghanistan, Iraq.

you have to be pretty ungrateful bastard to stab a friend on the back like that.

I dont necessarily empathize with your problem because it seems to me that for you people Armenians interest comes first before America and that is not the way things work in this country.
i hope, this bill wont be brought to senate floor.it’s not a brainer why a congress would make a decision on a historical event that took place 100 years ago.
that is historians job. why not have the historians make that call.

to me it seems like that you guys are using this bill to put pressure on a Friend of America to get something else whatever that might be and that make me question the sincerity of your genocide claims..
sorry.... no vote from me.

Eric on October 13, 2007 at 04:20 am

Eric, we have another thread on this subject here.
And before you get bent out of shape, I am one who wants to know why it is so important that this be done RIGHT NOW. How does the Democrat Party gain from this? Because in the long run America and Turkey do not gain from it. So what is the agenda. That is the question.


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2Hotel9 on October 13, 2007 at 04:57 am

I am just curious what did Armenians do for America

Do you notice any famous Armenian-Americans?


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ManofFireandLight on October 13, 2007 at 05:16 am
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armenian genocide should be reconized

the turkish people killed 1.5 armenians for no reason and they want to take our land and not give it back

if it wasnt for armenians amerca would lose alot of money because all the armenians give taxes

and vote yes for armenian genocide

hamo on October 13, 2007 at 10:25 pm

Hamo, the point, is that the democrats don’t care whether it was genocide or not, they just want to throw a spanner in the workings of the US-Turkish alliance, which would ultimately leave it in tatters and seriously hinder any chance of victory in Iraq.
I, and I think most of the contributors here would agree, that the events of 1915 were genocide, but we believe that this is not the right to drag this skeleton out of the closet.


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ManofFireandLight on October 14, 2007 at 01:22 am

That should read: ...not the right time to drag this skeleton out of the closet.


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ManofFireandLight on October 14, 2007 at 01:23 am

Still no one will answer the very simple, basic question. Why is this so vitally important RIGHT NOW?


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2Hotel9 on October 14, 2007 at 08:54 am
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There just isn’t any excuse for any further delays in the Armenian genocide resolution.

Fretting over losing a war Bush already has lost is silly.  The only rational approach to Iraq is to begin a total withdrawal of US troops from that country.

libhomo on October 14, 2007 at 02:25 pm

Why?


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2Hotel9 on October 14, 2007 at 02:37 pm

libhomo, your name says it all.
Leaving Iraq now would send the wrong kind of message to the Islamist extremists who would seek to stone you to death if they got to institute the world-wide Islamic state that they so desire. It’s not about politics, you twat, the only problem is the Democrats can’t see that.


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ManofFireandLight on October 14, 2007 at 04:35 pm

You done did it now, flamer. Libhomo is going to be very cross with you! Very cross indeed.


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2Hotel9 on October 14, 2007 at 04:49 pm
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The armenian people are blessed people under Jesus Christ! The year 1915 is not the year of the actual genocide. Armenians around the world are not tring to confince people of that, because that is TRUE and WELL-KNOWN. The year 1915 represents the fact that it was GENOCIDE in the 1st DEGREE. The events that take place on April 24, 1915 to 1919 are all planned events to eliminate the race. The real genocides took place from 1921 to 1923.

In the end, AMERICA is blessed also by JESUS CHRIST. The armenians went from one country under Jesus full of brothers and sisters to another country under Jesus full of brothers and sisters from every race on earth. Under Jesus, we are all family and will continue to grow with each other! Amen

Default x5x on October 14, 2007 at 05:22 pm

So, another non-starter. One more once. Why is it so vitally important that this be done RIGHT NOW?

Defaulted, are you actually attempting to tell us there is no nation of Armenia?


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2Hotel9 on October 14, 2007 at 06:24 pm
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Muslims Against Sharia commend House Democrats and Speaker Pelosi for pressing ahead with an Armenian genocide bill. Republican opposition to the bill is pure manifestation of moral relativism.
Muslims Against Sharia condemn Turkish government for refusing to acknowledge Armenian genocide and recalling its US ambassador in response to the bill.

Source: AFP
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Muslims Against Sharia on October 14, 2007 at 11:30 pm

Muslims Against Sharia commend House Democrats and Speaker Pelosi for pressing ahead with an Armenian genocide bill. Republican opposition to the bill is pure manifestation of moral relativism.

Actually, it is because we are at war with Muslim Sharia law and Islamic fascism, which you claim to be against (yeah right) and anything that might damage this war against Islamic fascism, that what you claim to be against (yeah right), is not a good thing. We want to win the war. You are blocking progress and making it about politics. We Republicans realize that you don’t do these things in a middle of a war. It’s not a tactically good decision to test an ally, no matter how tenuous that ally, in the middle of a war. We’re aiming to win the war. You’re aiming to win points.

likwidshoe on October 15, 2007 at 01:28 am

Hear, hear!


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ManofFireandLight on October 15, 2007 at 01:42 am
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Oh, I’m sorry, what’s a little genocide between friends?  When will it be the right time for Turkey to come to terms with its racist past and its continual extremist nationalist policies regarding the official non-existence of minorities in its country?

What are we fighting for?  A region where genocide is just fine?  Does international law mean anything in this war?  What’s 1.5 million people dead because they were the wrong religion?  Is that what we’re fighting for, to help sweep such things under the rug in the region?

Sorry, but it’s about time.  It’s REALLY about time right now that we stood up for what we’re supposedly fighting for.

Besides Turkey held us up for lots of money to begin its participation in this war.  Are they going to say no to all the millions we pour into their country? And it’s not like we have no other options for alliances… there’s Armenia on the border that would gladly have us build a base there.  Armenia already sends transport drivers to our forces in Iraq, the most dangerous support of all.

There’s also the Kurdish region of Northern Iraq where we could begin to build an alliance if Turkey’s ultra-nationalism and its racist attitude to the recognition of minorities in its country is still interfering with its ability to support international law.

Jennifer on October 16, 2007 at 04:21 pm

Another non-starter. Please to explain why this is vitally important RIGHT NOW.


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2Hotel9 on October 16, 2007 at 06:57 pm
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