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Sunday, February 11, 2007

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Weird Al has got to be the most creative entertainer in a generation. I’ve known about this for a while now but today was the first time I’ve seen the video. I much prefer the Weird Al version to the original. He’s up for a couple of Grammys tonight. Good luck dude!

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They’re making fun of white people!

Racists…

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When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

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Rob on February 11, 2007 at 07:11 pm

..."Stephen Hawking is in my library"… heh

My neighbor has an ice house on Lake Mille Lacs in MN.  Last summer we put a second floor on it, 10 speakers (in and out), Dual TV/DVD/PS2/Nintendo/power everything in it.  Nobody parks their house within 100 meters of it.  We just spent a weekend on the ice and the ONLY music available for 72 hrs was the esteemed Mr. Al.  The teenagers brought 7 of his albums and I had the pleasure of listenening to it all, over and over and over.  (As did everyone else in hearing range)

Something I will never forget.  (nor recommend)

RealManOfGenius on February 11, 2007 at 07:45 pm

Rob, riiiiiiight.

Real...(why is that name so long?), I love Weird Al but I feel your pain. But it says good things about the teenagers (all boys?) that they have such an appreciation for Al.

Samantha on February 11, 2007 at 08:03 pm

Sam…

I asked a similar question.  “Do you think we will come up here 10 years from now and still have to listen to weird al 24x7?”

“I hope so” my neighbor answered.

It then dawned on me, that as strange as it sounds, Weird Al was the bonding agent between these two very different father/sons.  Same as ‘baseball’ is the only topic my own father and I have in common and can openly talk about.  I now consciencely have a few stupid topics with my own son that hopefully remain open over the years as he grows into his own man.

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I can’t believe Weird Al is still putting out songs.  I caught on to him when I was in junior high and he did the Nirvana parody “Smells Like Teen Spirit.”

I think Cobain actually played the guitar part for him.

Weird Al is the coolest.


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Rob on February 11, 2007 at 11:07 pm

Love the blue convertible, looks like a 67 Chevy Impala - I used to have one, although it was just a hardtop.  Came with a 357 engine and I thought I could beat everyone in town (I’m a girl).  I’ze wrong. 

Great find, scratched my head on the ‘Stephen Hawking is in my library’, but oh well, nerds aren’t perfect either.


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Daily News Rush on February 12, 2007 at 10:34 am

You know, I just don’t wanna like this guy for some reason but every damn time I hear him I laugh out loud. I’ve gotta hand it to him, he’s a genius in his own twisted sort of way.

Oh, and....

Came with a 357 engine and I thought I could beat everyone in town (I’m a girl).  I’ze wrong. 

I had a 1967 Shelby Cobra GT350 back in the day. Sigh.


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Pilgrim on February 12, 2007 at 03:49 pm

Stephen Hawking is in my library, as is Weird Al. RMOG, y’all sound like us with Bear and Deer season camp.


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2Hotel9 on February 12, 2007 at 03:51 pm

Stephen Hawking is in my library

Well ummm, my library is my business.


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on February 12, 2007 at 04:07 pm

My library is slowly pushing us out of the house.


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2Hotel9 on February 12, 2007 at 04:16 pm

The way I understand it my library is pushing my wife out of the house.  Oh well.


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on February 12, 2007 at 04:26 pm

Wifey and I are both mad book collectors. And Boy has the bug too. Currently in this houe we have 2,148 books, 1,000 paperbacks the rest hards. I collect old text books,military/college/highschool, encyclopedias, and sciencefiction novels. Oh and Louis L’Amour.
Wifey is into David Wallechinsky and Irving Wallace’s The People’s Almanac type stuff, horse and dog, and chick type novels, Ladies of the club, Anne Rice, Daniel Steele, historically correct novels, and biographies. Over at her mom’s house we have another 1200 or so stored. All but one set of my encyclos are over there.

My current search target is a complete set of Brittanicas circa 1900. And yes, I haunt estate auctions and know several auctioneers who all think I am insane.


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2Hotel9 on February 12, 2007 at 04:59 pm

I had a 1967 Shelby Cobra GT350 back in the day. Sigh.

Ah, a Mustang - my Chevy wasn’t as cool as that.  smile

-- I posted this Weird Al video somewhere else and they called me a racist.  Some people have no sense of humor, I tell ya.


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Daily News Rush on February 12, 2007 at 05:03 pm

Wifey and I are both mad book collectors.

Ditto. Me an the lady currently live in a 2nd floor apartment and we were discussing how many more books we’ll need to buy before the whole house comes down. Not too many. Makes moving a real bitch. I get a nice workout when I move though. Mostly philosophy, international relations, law and political theory… but also literature (Henry Miller is one of my favs), sci fi (P.K. DICK - every book he ever wrote… all 150 of them), and plenty of other stuff. The other day we started piling them on top of the fridge. I got plenty of hardcovers and 1st editions. My brain and library love em, but sometimes my wallet doesn’t. I have a real penchant for old issues of the Evergreen Review and French published Henry Miller books from the ban period that say ‘do not import into the US or Britain’ on them. I have one, leather bound, that is disguised as a bible. I really like that one. I keep it next to my heavily annotated atheists’ bible.


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Sparkie Arbuckle on February 12, 2007 at 05:34 pm

I never let go a book or firearm. I have a considerable number of both. As for moving, the last time we did was 1990. We are dugin, ain’t agoing nowhere.

We used to hit the used book stores off Wisconsin, in Chevy Chase/Bethesda, then Montgomery Country changed the tax code regarding them, placing them into the same category as pawnshops. The prices rose accordingly. Now we stick to a few in Prince Georges and DC proper.


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2Hotel9 on February 12, 2007 at 06:20 pm

Yea.
Books, guns, cameras, and records. I have too much of every. I fear the state I moved to isn’t very friendly towards the firearms, law wise. Just hide em behind all the books and records though, and I’ll move again soon.
Grandpa refused to register all the ones I got from him so I’m not about to.


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Sparkie Arbuckle on February 12, 2007 at 06:43 pm

If you don’t have paper on them the cops could become soggy and hard to light.


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2Hotel9 on February 12, 2007 at 06:58 pm

First, what does RMOG mean? I googled it and got something about a gyroscope.

Second, did someone really write an atheist’s bible? Why? And isn’t sort of antithetical to the whole idea of atheism to have an atheist holy book?

Third, I’m starting to develop this theory that blogging attracts a certain kind of book worm. (I love a good sci fi/fantasy book but I’m not much of a collector.) My house isn’t stuffed to the gills with books (yet) but that’s only because I won’t let my husband buy as many books as he wants. Which he gets around by having is family buy books for him for Christmas and his birthday.

My brother-in-law has probably got you all beat for book collecting though. He’s a librarian. As far as I could tell he had every edition of every English translation/version/repackaging (study, women’s, student’s, etc) of the Bible down through the ages (he recently moved and had to get rid of some stuff). Every room at my in-laws house was filled to near over flowing with books when he lived there.

Samantha on February 12, 2007 at 07:21 pm

Samantha...That is such a cute baby!

Zsa Zsa on February 12, 2007 at 07:44 pm

RMOG, it is a usename, Realmanofgenius. He posted the comment above you at the start of this thread, another old dude like me. And yes, there is a certain subset of people in the blogsphere that are terminal bookworms. The computer is the ultimate book, at least for me. I burn a lot of data to disc. Pre-computer I did a whole bunch of research work, spent thousands of hours in sub-basements, storage rooms, vaults, going through stacks upon stacks of books and documents and maps/prints. Worked a few places where everything had to be cleanroomed, gloves, coveralls, facemask. Had a couple of nasty lung infections from mold spores and dust mites.

It is a foul addiction, and the only treatment is to lock the subject in a room with their books and shove food under the door to them.

As for the Atheists Bible, I am not sure it is what you are thinking. I believe it is more of a blow by blow deconstruction of the Bible. Spark will probably drop back in and ‘splain it to you.

Now I am off, going to play a couple of hours of Warcraft.


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2Hotel9 on February 12, 2007 at 07:46 pm

Dang, sorry for the curveball… That was an absurd line from the video about 20sec in.  About nerds putting stephen hawking in their music library.  Have to admit, I have some geeky lectures from Stanford on my ipod.  (A Mr Robert Sapolsky: Why zebras don’t get ulcers/What baboons can teach us about stress and coping)

Thread sure took an interesting turn!

RealManOfGenius on February 12, 2007 at 08:05 pm

If you don’t have paper on them the cops could become soggy and hard to light.--2Hotel9

Haha, that was classic (for someone that wears flannel).


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Anarchist Vegetarian on February 12, 2007 at 08:06 pm

Even though Al’s focus is on parody, his vocal range and ability to capture the lampooned artist is fantastic. 

Books?  Guns?

You realize that in Bradbury’s dystopia of Fahrenheit 451 you’d (we’d) all be guilty of Thoughtcrime (borrowing a bit from Orwell).  It’s those pesky, armed, educated, opinionated libertarians that make life so difficult for tyrants in every age. 

If Y2K had turned out with the invocation of all those Executive Orders and Presidential Decision Directives, we’d be the first to go into the American GULAG.

Just because you are not interested in Government, doesn’t mean that the Government isn’t interested in you.


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Move_Zig on February 12, 2007 at 08:13 pm

btw Sam- as my name is also rob (and there are quite a few here) i picked RMOG from those beer commercials “here’s to you Mr. Zamboni driver...” Ironic as I don’t even drink beer--makes me gassy.

More of a vodka person.

RealManOfGenius on February 12, 2007 at 08:18 pm

RMOG, it is a usename, Realmanofgenius.

I knew that. Really, I did! I was just checking to make sure you knew it (not).

As for the Atheists Bible, I am not sure it is what you are thinking. I believe it is more of a blow by blow deconstruction of the Bible.

That seems to come fairly close to an atheist holy book to me. Full disclosure: I am a Christian. Evangelical, conservative, reformed, Calvinist are all labels that can be fairly applied. Atheists being atheists I accept that there are things in the Bible that they will never agree with. If they ever did then they wouldn’t be atheists. Things that hold great significance for Christians mean bupkus to a non-believer and that is as it should be.

ZZ (I’m gettin’ the hang of this see) that baby is almost six years old and more than half as tall as I am already. I’m not that tall to begin with but it is still a bit jarring to look down on his head and realise that it’s a heck of a lot closer than it was last week.

the only treatment is to lock the subject in a room with their books and shove food under the door to them.

I use food to lure him out into the light of day (hubby’s not really that bad but it’s close).
Samantha on February 12, 2007 at 08:27 pm

Well crap. I could not get a good connection to the game server, back here.

AV, flannel is good camo, no one gives you a seond look.

MZ, I ain’t a Gulag kinda guy. And I commit thought crimes continually.

RMOG I don’t do the liquor thang. There is a demon in me, and liqour sets it free.


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2Hotel9 on February 12, 2007 at 08:39 pm

Oh, and just because you are paranoid does not mean THEY are not out to get you.

And there are no black helicopters. They are flat matte, laser and radar absorbing green.


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2Hotel9 on February 12, 2007 at 08:43 pm

Samantha, atheists don’t need holy books. If you want proof, looks like you have a young child their to experiment on. Simply don’t talk about God, religion, new-age crap, around the kid. Don’t subject him/her to a religious upbringing, and see whether the kid grows up to be atheist. I bet $5 that if the kid isn’t mentally deficient, he/she will grow up to be an atheist.


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Anarchist Vegetarian on February 12, 2007 at 09:19 pm

I think my book collection is in the 3,000 book range or so.

Like 2H9, I never get rid of a book or firearm.

With the advent of the infernalnet I am reading a bit less, but watching a lot less TV.

I just completed my collection of Nero Wolfe books (Rex Stout that is).  In a month or so I’ll have them all read. 

2H9:  I assume you’ve read the Steven Hunter books?  If not I think you’d enjoy them.


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on February 13, 2007 at 07:05 am

Samantha
An atheist’s annoitated bible is not really called that. I believe it is a Harper Collins Annotated Bible (or some other popular publisher who escapes me now). At any rate, it is a bible with the lower half of each page being made up of footnotes that explain the historical context, connections to actual historic events, places, and the like. It also discusses the origins of the vocabulary in the bible. Anyone who has read the gospel of John knows how important understanding the ‘word’ is right? Because the bible contains many motifs and repetitive narratives it also notes where similar tales appear and what, if any, tales that have the same motifs pre-date the bible. An example of this would be meeting a chick at a well. Lots of biblical dudes do that. Lots of lore that predates the bible does that too. Story telling back then, it appears, used to have a set of themes and narratives, and stories gained their meaning in their minor deviations from these motifs. Its like the cliche ‘heist’ films. ‘Rififi’ started it all. All the others are basic copies with minor changes to make them unique. Look at the gospels and you will see lots of repetition. Does that help you understand what an atheists’ bible is?
And BTW… I was raised by veterinarians, scientists. As AV notes, I was brought up basically an atheist. Not without morals, just without fear when contemplating all the mystery (unlike a pious Christian).


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Sparkie Arbuckle on February 13, 2007 at 07:46 am

Toot, I found a paperback of Black Light at a flea market, I now hunt his books as diligently as I do bear and deer! Hot Springs is an EXCELLENT novel.

spark, small minds need fear to justify their actions, ‘nough said.


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2Hotel9 on February 13, 2007 at 08:00 am

2H9:

All of Hunter’s books that I’ve read are good.

I most recently read his Gunfight non-fiction book about the assignation attempt on Truman.

I just found out that they’re making his Point of Impact book into a movie.


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on February 13, 2007 at 10:26 am

If you want proof, looks like you have a young child their to experiment on. Simply don’t talk about God, religion, new-age crap, around the kid. Don’t subject him/her to a religious upbringing, and see whether the kid grows up to be atheist. I bet $5 that if the kid isn’t mentally deficient, he/she will grow up to be an atheist.

So you’re basically saying that “atheist” is the default condition of humanity?

Sparkie Arbuckle, it is curious still that some (particularly self identified atheists) would refer to the book you describe as the atheist’s bible. (I think my brother-in-law had a copy of that too.)

I was raised by veterinarians, scientists. As AV notes, I was brought up basically an atheist. Not without morals, just without fear when contemplating all the mystery (unlike a pious Christian).

So gentlemen(or ladies as the case may be), would it be appropriate for me to infer from your quoted comments that you view a love of and proficiency in science to be incompatible with the Christian faith (or any other faith)? Would it also be appropriate for me to infer that you view adherence to the Christian faith (or any other faith) to be a symptom of mental deficiency and perpetual fear?

Samantha on February 13, 2007 at 12:46 pm

Samantha...I have heard that individuals who are not spiritual have a part of their brain that is not as sensitive. AND that part of the brain is in the front lobe.  It usually is prominent in premature babies. I have an interest in the brain and I am sorry to say I can’t show you the study...BUT it is kind of interesting!

Zsa Zsa on February 13, 2007 at 01:19 pm

Mark Wahlberg as Bob The Nailer?!?!? Please! Is Mike a poddle or a rat terrier?

I hate when people make movies from novels I like, they alway mangle the hell out of them.


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2Hotel9 on February 13, 2007 at 01:28 pm

So gentlemen(or ladies as the case may be), would it be appropriate for me to infer from your quoted comments that you view a love of and proficiency in science to be incompatible with the Christian faith (or any other faith)?

No. A counter-factual would be that my belief would allow one to have a faith in Satan and be proficient at science.

Would it also be appropriate for me to infer that you view adherence to the Christian faith (or any other faith) to be a symptom of mental deficiency and perpetual fear?

Yes. Albeit generally a genetically induced one.


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Sparkie Arbuckle on February 13, 2007 at 05:22 pm

spark, where are these quotes from? This thread?


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2Hotel9 on February 13, 2007 at 05:42 pm
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would it be appropriate for me to infer from your quoted comments that you view a love of and proficiency in science to be incompatible with the Christian faith

Historically, there has been no conflict. Isaac Newton and Michael Faraday were scientists who were Christian. Jonathan Edwards was a theologian who wrote extensively on natural science.

It is not inconsistent to say with Albert Einstein, “God doesn’t play dice with the universe.”



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2Hotel9 on February 13, 2007 at 05:52 pm

Alrighty then Sparkie. What should I infer from your quoted comments? Your counter-factual doesn’t really tell me anything.

Yes. Albeit generally a genetically induced one.

Now that is most interesting. Have you got posting privileges here? I’d love to see you or AV expound on this in a full post.

Samantha on February 13, 2007 at 07:26 pm

I have heard that individuals who are not spiritual have a part of their brain that is not as sensitive. AND that part of the brain is in the front lobe.  It usually is prominent in premature babies. I have an interest in the brain and I am sorry to say I can’t show you the study...BUT it is kind of interesting!

I dabble in brain structure and function myself. I always find studies that look for structural reasons for faith/spirituallity/whatever you want to call it a bit dubious. There are far too many variables to control for. One of them being the brain itself. I think the brain is a bit too squishy (as in we don’t know as much about it as we think we do) to be able to quantify something as amorphous as spirituality.

Samantha on February 13, 2007 at 08:10 pm

I think the brain is a bit too squishy (as in we don’t know as much about it as we think we do) to be able to quantify something as amorphous as spirituality.--Samantha

Since one of my brothers and his wife are clinical psychologists, and I talk to them about psychology related stuff quite a bit, I have to say you are nearly right. As psychologists, they know how little we actually do know about the brain.

Would it also be appropriate for me to infer that you view adherence to the Christian faith (or any other faith) to be a symptom of mental deficiency and perpetual fear?--Samantha

There is some correlation (shown in a meta-analysis by Paul Bell, published in Mensa Magazine, 2002), but not exactly what I meant. If one happens to have received a raw deal in the rationality area, they appear more likely to adopt strong irrational beliefs. But maybe the reverse isn’t true.

Carl Friedrich Gauss, along with Isaac Newton and Archimedes, is probably one of the three most gifted mathematicians of all time. He famously pointed out an error his father had made in balancing the books for his company, Gauss was not even three years old. Yet Gauss, like Newton, was a deeply religious person.


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Anarchist Vegetarian on February 13, 2007 at 11:56 pm

Rob: Your site keeps spamming me with this errorsafe registry scan thing. I don’t even have a registry, I use Debian flavoured GNU/Linux.


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Anarchist Vegetarian on February 13, 2007 at 11:58 pm

It is squishy! AND I don’t really believe that is why people are or are not spiritual…

Zsa Zsa on February 14, 2007 at 04:14 am

Samantha

I dabble in brain structure and function myself.

Are you establishing credibility here? I would use something stronger than ‘dabble’.

Have you got posting privileges here?

Sure do. But let’s diss on God lovers over here. It’ll be fun. C’mon.
I, personally, think its a matter of what do rational people, with sharp acumen, believe? When it comes to brain science, Christians have severely limiting beliefs. For example: I have studied agency and mental causation a lot in the past. Christians believe people have souls. When you are talking about mental causation and you have three Christians in a room of say 15 or 20 thinkers, they really muck it up with their beliefs. They believe in souls and DEMAND that souls be incorporated into the mental causation discussion yet can offer no mechanisms, no details, nothing besides, “They exist, St. Paul says so or whatever”. Its a lot of foot stomping for nothing. Frankly its annoying and it makes them look like asses and it brings the discussion to a grinding halt because no one who is being serious is going to posit indescribable, made-up entities as a serious part of the stuff under consideration and incorporate it in a non-bullshit, non-question begging manner.
Furthermore, when discussing consciousness, many soul-believing Christians accuse the physicalist or materialist theories of consciousness of being too ‘reducible’. In other words, when consciousness needs to be explained, they cite the qualities of the soul as being responsible for our ‘lights on inside’, conscious means of observing the world. Someone who pursues a physicalist position, whether susceptible to reductionary complaints or not, is immediately written off by all the Christians for not incorporating the soul into their view. When the Christians offer their view, they entirely make up bullshit and ascribe it as being properties of the soul or they let every loose end they can’t explain be explained by the soul. This, obviously, is not only frustrating, it severely retards the progress that might be made in these niches. It essentially is not philosophy, rather more akin to story telling or those old Indian proverbs that explain the night sky by claiming a bird flew up and poked holes in the giant blanket over the earth and that’s where the stars came from. No serious philosopher or brain scientist is even going to engage these people. There, frankly, is something wrong with their thought process that allows them to be so stupid and take it so seriously.


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Sparkie Arbuckle on February 14, 2007 at 06:34 am

So, spark, if it is all nonsense why are you so concerned with it?


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2Hotel9 on February 14, 2007 at 07:24 am

Correct me if I am wrong, Christians have not systematically killed non-believers for around 200 or so years. Why all the paranoia about Christians? Seems that all that concern should be directed towards some other religious group. Perhaps one that is repressive and totalitarian in their actions against those who disagree with them.

And yes, I fall into the category of Christian. Raised Southern Baptist, and got the hell away from it as fast as I could. Is there (a) God? Yes. Is He/She/It micro-managing this planet and human lives? No. He/She/It set the cosmos in motion and went about His/Her/It’s affairs.

There is no Fate. The future is what we make it. And no, that ain’t a line from T2. You know who first posited that.


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2Hotel9 on February 14, 2007 at 07:41 am

2H9
To each his own. You are fairly loosely a Christian if you only believe in God as a prime mover. What about Jesus and the miracles or whatever? I’m not saying Mary was a bad mother. She was one of the best. Watching her son be killed is something no mother should endure. Just because one guy is gullible enough to have infidelity explained away by divine intervention doesn’t mean everyone should go around believing whatever Mary said in an effort not to be killed or ostrasized.
The ‘prime mover only’ belief is vague enough that its as judaic as it is christian.


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Sparkie Arbuckle on February 14, 2007 at 08:34 am

Contrary to one inept religious fanatical freak. Believe it or not I am a Christian. I believe we have a soul and that we have an eternal life. Even astrologers are fascinated with the birth of Jesus. I think the Muslims would do well to make Jesus their savior instead of Mohamed… Silly me, I just think mohammed is a control freak warrior and needs lots of virgins because he can’t keep a woman.

Zsa Zsa on February 14, 2007 at 08:51 am

Sparkie, what I know about the brain is what any lay individual can learn from judicious use of Google which is a surprising and fascinating amount. I get the impression that my credibility wouldn’t mean much to you so no I was not trying to establish any

Again interesting ideas. Why don’t we skip the dissin’ part and get to the part where you tell me what your ideas are based on? That’s what I’m interested in.

Correct me if I am wrong, Christians have not systematically killed non-believers for around 200 or so years…

That’s really immaterial to this discussion I think. Christianity needs to stand or fall on its own.

Samantha on February 14, 2007 at 09:26 am

get to the part where you tell me what your ideas are based on?

Which ideas?
How about the most vague request evah! Let me start writing my memoirs for your edification. Hold on, I’ll begin now. Expect them posted in about 4 years.
C’mon.
Tell me what and I’ll hash it out.


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Sparkie Arbuckle on February 14, 2007 at 09:52 am

Sam, this harkens back to earlier discussions on religion. And as far as I can tell, Christianity is standing on its own, even though lots of people are working hard to knock it down.

I am just not big on organised religion. As it is said in one of the Shura “Let no man stand between you and God.” Or perhaps that is from Hadith. You get the point, I hope!  Organised religion of all kinds have been used to perpetrate untold evil and harm on the human race, and I just don’t think people in the 21st century should be bowing down to a bunch of murdering thugs masquerading as Holy Men.

And yes!! I include Socialism/Communism in the category of organised religion.

Now I got to drop, got to grab the range box and rifle and go put some rounds down range. Back in a couple of hours, y’all play nice now.


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2Hotel9 on February 14, 2007 at 10:01 am

I include Socialism/Communism in the category of organised religion.

I do too. They have merely subtracted one ideal and substituted another to chase.


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Sparkie Arbuckle on February 14, 2007 at 10:13 am

We approach synthesis! No, we approach synergism. And attempt to keep the crude jokes to a minimum, if you would.


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2Hotel9 on February 14, 2007 at 04:51 pm

Why all the paranoia about Christians? Seems that all that concern should be directed towards some other religious group.--2Hotel9

I am equally critical of all who claim to know Truth, and that their God is the only God. If I were to state that I doubt that Mohammad was a prophet, or that I don’t believe in the hundreds of Hindu gods, I doubt few here would disagree. They are happily critical of others beliefs, but don’t apply the same logic to their own.

And I share Sparkies annoyance when people trot out souls, or God, to explain difficult things. It is intellectually lazy, and there is zero evidence.


“All the war-propaganda, all the screaming and lies and hatred, comes invariably from people who are not fighting.”
“Every war when it comes, or before it comes, is represented not as a war but as an act of self-defense against a homicidal maniac.” —George Orwell

Anarchist Vegetarian on February 14, 2007 at 05:13 pm

AV...Sadly, I can’t explain how I know there is a God. BUT I do. It is more like allowing yourself to trust and accept and feel his power and open yourself up to his love. AND be thankful for all the little miracles around you…

Zsa Zsa on February 14, 2007 at 05:32 pm

Jesus:
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the most high.

hee hee hee.


rasberry

Sparkie Arbuckle on February 14, 2007 at 05:58 pm
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And I share Sparkies annoyance when people trot out souls, or God, to explain difficult things. It is intellectually lazy, and there is zero evidence.

AV,

That is a intellectually dishonest statement.  Proofs of God are present in observable effects to those whose perception is not limited to natural causes.  Try reading some natural philosophy and then come back and tell us how intellectually lazy our Founders were.
There is no intellectual laziness on either side of this issue, only different perspectives.

HG on February 14, 2007 at 06:05 pm

AV, my soul is not in the business of explaining “difficult” things. It is more of a “blow out your upper thoracic cavity and seperate your scalp from your skull” sort of soul. Being a moral animal I don’t stroll about doing that to just anyone I meet. Another religious group we can think of, not so much in this regard. They tend to abuse and kill people rather at random, focusing on their own children and women. So. Why you hate Christians so much? Possibly because they won’t drag you from your home, beat the crap out of you then saw your head from your shoulders? Is that a side order of cowardice to go with your maincourse of submission?


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2Hotel9 on February 14, 2007 at 06:22 pm

Is that a side order of cowardice to go with your maincourse of submission?

Get some Tums.


rasberry

Sparkie Arbuckle on February 15, 2007 at 06:59 am

spark, what is that pic as your avatar?


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2Hotel9 on February 15, 2007 at 07:13 am

Which ideas?
How about the most vague request evah! Let me start writing my memoirs for your edification. Hold on, I’ll begin now. Expect them posted in about 4 years.
C’mon.
Tell me what and I’ll hash it out.

Well then, this has been an interesting exchange. Thanks for playing along.

Samantha on February 15, 2007 at 07:25 am

2H9.

murder.


rasberry

Sparkie Arbuckle on February 15, 2007 at 09:07 am

I thought perhaps it was a still from a movie. That nickle-plated snubby is just so purtty!


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2Hotel9 on February 15, 2007 at 11:25 am

Yea I liked the shot. Its by a friend. I have little snubby, an old H&R .32 S&W w/ a 2 inch barrel that Grampa handed down. Its old, but the blue steel is perfect… doesn’t photograph as well as my buddies shiny one.


rasberry

Sparkie Arbuckle on February 15, 2007 at 11:45 am

So. Why you hate Christians so much?--2Hotel9

I can’t think of anyone (or any group) I hate.... except maybe hippies.  smile


“All the war-propaganda, all the screaming and lies and hatred, comes invariably from people who are not fighting.”
“Every war when it comes, or before it comes, is represented not as a war but as an act of self-defense against a homicidal maniac.” —George Orwell

Anarchist Vegetarian on February 15, 2007 at 07:10 pm
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