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Sunday, April 29, 2007

Helping Out Indian Dads

I recently read an article in the Sioux City Journal about a program called “Fatherhood is Sacred”.  This program was created to help those Indian fathers who care about their children but are without contact with them for one reason or another.  This program helps those Indian fathers who want to be strong leaders and role models for their children.

Travis Coleman of the Sioux City Journal writes:

Six months ago, a rift with the mother of his 2-year-old son stopped Robert Rouillard from seeing his son.

“I felt like I was down and out. You wake up every morning and think about your son and he’s not there,” Rouillard said.

Then came Fatherhood is Sacred, a 12-week program that Rouillard joined to help him become a better dad. Rouillard, along with Anthony Yellowbank from Sioux City, graduated from the Mesa, Ariz.-based program and recently created the first urban chapter of the program that had only been offered to American Indian men on reservations.

Rouillard’s participation in the program helped him recently gain temporary custody of his son.

About 20 dads from the Omaha, Santee and Winnebago tribes joined Rouillard recently to discuss similar experiences and what the program means to them.

“It’s a guiding light that allows us to be what we were meant to be,” said attendee Scott Aldrich. “And that’s a leader.”

Aldrich and others are products of the program created in 2001 by Albert Pooley. When the program first began, there was only one attendee. The program then reached out to American Indian fathers in jail. But the program has since reached out to those who are set to become dads to those looking for ways to become a more effective dad.

“When the program found me, I thought I was living a pretty decent life,” Yellowbank said. “It has enhanced me, helped me. My life has been getting better and better by the day.”

The program is the first of its kind, as courses that seek to create a stronger bond between parent and child have been traditionally offered to women and children.

This program will undoubtedly help out many Indian fathers become the leaders and first teachers of their children.

You can read the whole article here.

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This is the sort of social program I can get behind.  Help people help themselves.  What’s best about it is that the group behind it, Native American Fatherhood & Families Association, appears to be a privately-funded non-profit organization.  Though it appears as though they get government grants (their news section talks of the group being involved with one of Bush’s “faith based initiatives” programs).

Fatherhood is so, so important today.  I wrote a post about the issue over a year ago (something I subsequently turned into a column for the Dakota Beacon).


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Rob on April 29, 2007 at 10:12 pm

Creasy, nice positive article about Americans first people.  Too bad there is not a program to patch up the broken marriages but the broken marriages are indemnic throughout the country to all races and creeds.  Kids really need both a father and mother in a stable family environment.


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docdave on April 30, 2007 at 01:31 am

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The Whistler on April 30, 2007 at 05:57 am

i think its a positive program, but i disagree with it being given any government funding as it is exclusive on a racial basis. as one can see here, i feel that type of payout is unjust to those not favored by it who are paying for it.


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Sparkie Arbuckle on April 30, 2007 at 08:38 am

Good piece, Creasy. Far to often fathers are blocked from having any part in their children’s lives, either through divorce or breakup of a nonmarried relationship.

This is a point you can find common cause with Rob and Toot on. They are both fairly vociferous about father’s rights and involvement in their children’s lives.


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2Hotel9 on April 30, 2007 at 02:14 pm

Sparkie:

Yes, this is a very positive program. 

However the Native American Fatherhood and Families Association (NAFFA) is a non-profit organization.  They have not recieved any state or federal funding so far.  They are mainly funded thorough private donations and Indian Tribes that pay for training on reservations.

It is reservations helping out their own people.  There is change happening on reservations.

Creasy on April 30, 2007 at 04:36 pm

However the Native American Fatherhood and Families Association (NAFFA) is a non-profit organization.

Can’t complain about that.  smile


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on April 30, 2007 at 05:01 pm

Love it, Creasy!  It always makes me happy to see fathers come to conferences.  Fathers need to take an active role in raising their children, whether or not he is together with mom. 

This program is so wonderful because it provides fathers an opportunity to learn, to discuss, and most of be with other fathers who might be struggling like they are or were.  Who best to learn from than someone who is just like you and has done something to make a positive change?

i disagree with it being given any government funding as it is exclusive on a racial basis.

Who gives a crap where the money comes from as long it is helping!  The way I see it, I would rather see a child have a father who knows how to provide the love and support they need to be successful.  When children can grow to be successful adults, we are all winners.  If enough people can get the help they need, there will not be the need for this type of programing.  If we don’t need the program, the money can be spent on other things like world peace! LOL smile

RaeMarie70 on April 30, 2007 at 05:05 pm

Who gives a crap where the money comes from as long it is helping!

What if it is stolen?

Think before you speak.

likwidshoe on May 1, 2007 at 06:03 pm

likwidshoe-

What are you talking about?  Did you read the comments on this thread?

What if it is stolen?

Think before you speak.

Rae is responding to Sparkie’s comments about where the money funding the Fatherhood is Sacred program is coming from.

How and why would a non-profit organization be using stolen funds?

Please stop antagonizing.  Make some relevant comments if you want to debate and participate logically in this blog

Creasy on May 1, 2007 at 08:15 pm

What if it is stolen?

Think before you speak.

likwidshoe, I am flattered that you think you have to come up with such ridiculous things to talk to me.  That has to be the only reason you would say such a stupid thing.  Maybe you should take some of your own advice and “think before YOU speak.”

The not caring where the money came from was a response to whether or not it came from government funding or private sources.  Where in the world did you get that I would think stolen money would be okay?  Or does that come from my being Indian?

Thanks for making me laugh today.  That was a good one!  I look forward to our next encounter.

RaeMarie70 on May 1, 2007 at 08:46 pm

Creasy said, What are you talking about?  Did you read the comments on this thread?

I responded to one line out of all of the comments so that there wouldn’t be any confusion. I quote people exactly for this reason.

And yet there is confusion…

How and why would a non-profit organization be using stolen funds?

What are you talking about? How about paying attention to what is actually said?

Please stop antagonizing.  Make some relevant comments if you want to debate and participate logically in this blog

The illogical one here is you.

Let me know when you catch up. This short comment shouldn’t be too hard to understand. Stop your antagonizing and make some relevant comment that actually pertains to what has been said if you want to debate and participate logically in this blog.

likwidshoe on May 1, 2007 at 08:46 pm

RaeMarie70 said, likwidshoe, I am flattered that you think you have to come up with such ridiculous things to talk to me.

Talk about you? Put away that victim complex. I was merely responding to something you had said. Are you mature enough to handle responses?

That has to be the only reason you would say such a stupid thing.  Maybe you should take some of your own advice and “think before YOU speak.”

What again was stupid? It looks like you didn’t even understand my simple comment.

Where in the world did you get that I would think stolen money would be okay?

I already quoted that part. How did you miss it? Once again -

Who gives a crap where the money comes from as long it is helping!

Translation: any money is okay as long as it is going to help someone. I doubt you really believe that, so I asked a logical question -

What if it is stolen?

After that, you and Creasy got upset. Who knew that such a simple question would unleash the nonsensical derision?

Or does that come from my being Indian?

Oh, shut up. That’s getting really old.

likwidshoe on May 1, 2007 at 08:53 pm

likwidshoe- Let’s debate then.  Explain your comment

What if it is stolen?

I assume you are talking about the funds for the Fatherhood is Sacred program.  If not, please clarify.

Creasy on May 1, 2007 at 08:53 pm

Talk about you?

I said “to me” not “about me”.  You really should try to read a little more closely to what is written so you won’t have to make yourself look more foolish than you are.  I am not concerned if you talk about me so you can put away your little comment about the victim complex.

likwidshoe, it is a wonder that you can even function in the world.  Where would that comment even come from?  Oh yeah...Indians + Reservation = people who lie, cheat, and steal to get what they need. 

Let me get this straight...you want to know if I think it is okay for stolen money to be used to fund a program that helps people.  I would have to say no.  I grew up with a policeman father (imagine that, I am not one of the many bastards you repeatedly talk about) and a mother who taught me that it is wrong to steal and to take things that were stolen.  Does that answer your question?

RaeMarie70 on May 1, 2007 at 09:15 pm

likwidshoe-

I get your comment now.  Rae’s comments made them clear.

Do you have any comments about the “Fatherhood is Sacred” program or the article I presented at the start of this thread?  Let’s have some debate about the issue at hand.

Creasy on May 1, 2007 at 09:30 pm

Creasy said, I assume you are talking about the funds for the Fatherhood is Sacred program.  If not, please clarify.

No. My response actually had nothing to do with where or how the Fatherhood is Sacred program gets their funding. As I have already explained, I was just responding to something that RaeMarie70 had said. Nothing more, nothing less.

Do you have any comments about the “Fatherhood is Sacred” program or the article I presented at the start of this thread?

No. It sounds like a good program with laudable goals.

RaeMarie70 said, I said “to me” not “about me”.  You really should try to read a little more closely to what is written so you won’t have to make yourself look more foolish than you are.

My bad.

likwidshoe, it is a wonder that you can even function in the world.

Well thank you! Sometimes I have trouble putting my pants on. I have to tell myself, “one leg at a time, one leg at a time”.

Let me get this straight...you want to know if I think it is okay for stolen money to be used to fund a program that helps people.  I would have to say no.

*sigh* I had no doubts that you think this way. My question was used as a rhetorical question. The whole point was not to ask if you believe stolen money is okay to use because of course it’s not. It was to point out that it does matter where the money comes from.

I really didn’t expect you to answer it.

likwidshoe on May 1, 2007 at 09:34 pm
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Rae and Creasy, Don’t you get it?  These guys don’t want to debate anything!  They just want to say hurtful and insulting things.  We are sounding boards for them.  They don’t give a shit about us or our opinion.

Andy L on May 2, 2007 at 07:11 am

These guys don’t want to debate anything!  They just want to say hurtful and insulting things.

This is coming from the guy who falsely accuses people of racism while making threats over the Internet.

You’re too much…

likwidshoe on May 2, 2007 at 07:19 am
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Creasy and Rae, don’t pay attention to the man behind the curtain!  He’s from OHIO!  Doesn’t know a damn thing about Turtle Mountain Indian People!  Doesn’t know buch about North Dakota either!  But, he does know how to RAVE!

Besides, he’s just so darn cute!

Andy L on May 2, 2007 at 11:47 am
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Lik, if you’d like to come to the rez and visit, we’ll take donations and send you a ticket.

You should enjoy it, all the welfare and filth!  I imagine they don’t have any of that in OHIO!

Andy L on May 2, 2007 at 11:49 am

Creasman, andy is using your very good post to advance his crap. Isn’t that just lovely?


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2Hotel9 on May 2, 2007 at 04:47 pm
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Creasy, I apologize for advancing my crap.  I won’t interfere with Liks rants on your forum anymore, if that’s what you want.

Sorry Lik, for being an Indian.

Hey, before I leave, check out Likwidshoe’s my space!  He blogs about taking drugs and rave parties.  Rob endorses his behavior!  These guys are so dang cool!  Must be fun taking drugs and acting tough.

Andy L on May 2, 2007 at 10:17 pm

myspace is not a “blog”, stupid ass. Your little crap spew is quite pathetic, you racebaiting povertypimps really need to get some new material.


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Proof on May 3, 2007 at 05:40 am
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myspace is not a “blog”, stupid ass. Your little crap spew is quite pathetic, you racebaiting povertypimps really need to get some new material.
2Hotel9 on May 3, 2007 at 03:28 am

I was talking about one of lik’s blog entries at his myspace, you nit.

Andy L on May 3, 2007 at 09:03 am

Andy L spews, Creasy and Rae, don’t pay attention to the man behind the curtain!  He’s from OHIO!

So what? And I’m not really “from OHIO”. It’s just one of six states I’ve lived in for more than a year. I’m not really “from” any state. I’ve lived in a few other states longer than I’ve resided here.

Doesn’t know a damn thing about Turtle Mountain Indian People!

Besides the figures and facts that are available to all, of course.

Sorry Lik, for being an Indian.

You don’t have to apologize for that. Get real.

Hey, before I leave, check out Likwidshoe’s my space!  He blogs about taking drugs and rave parties.  Rob endorses his behavior!  These guys are so dang cool!  Must be fun taking drugs and acting tough.

OMG, I USED TO BE A RAVER!

Hahaha.

Why do you care and how is it important?

Oh, that’s right. You’re a troll.

I was talking about one of lik’s blog entries at his myspace, you nit.

I have three blog entries there, you nit, and not one of them talks about drugs or rave parties.

likwidshoe on May 3, 2007 at 12:27 pm
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I have three blog entries there, you nit, and not one of them talks about drugs or rave parties.
likwidshoe on May 3, 2007 at 12:27 pm

My bad.  It wasn’t a blog, it was a blurb.  Check out “I Used to be a Raver”, April 1, 2005, sayanythingblog.com.

Andy L on May 4, 2007 at 10:58 am
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Sorry Creasy, tried to stay away, just couldn’t.

Andy L on May 4, 2007 at 10:59 am
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