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Thursday, June 12, 2008

Heaven is for Idiots

A psychology researcher has controversially claimed that stupidity is causally linked to how likely people are to believe in God.


I love it when ‘researchers’ search for stupidity’s causal nexus!
Lynn and his two co-authors argue that average IQ is an excellent predictor of what proportion of the population are true believers, across 137 countries.


Sample size? Check.
Lynn pointed out that most children do believe in God, but as their intelligence develops they tend to have doubts or reject religion. Similarly, as average IQ in Western societies increased through the 20th century, so did rates of atheism…
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The researchers’ claims of a direct causal link have drawn criticism from others in intelligence research, who argue their conclusions are too simplistic. London Metropolitan University’s Dr David Hardman said: “It is very difficult to conduct true experiments that would explicate a causal relationship between IQ and religious belief. Nonetheless, there is evidence from other domains that higher levels of intelligence are associated with a greater ability - or perhaps willingness - to question and overturn strongly felt intuitions.”


Even this guy, who acknowledges the complex array of causal factors at work, and therefore disagrees with the study, still agrees that atheists are smarter and have stronger wills. Hmmm.

But maybe this study has some sort of a bias. After all, they weren’t gaging the fancy and advanced manner that the fervently religious can come to know and believe in pure hogwash! That sort of technically nuanced self-deception has to be handicapped for so we can straighten out this bias.

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Does the study also address the link between stupidity and Psychology/Psychiatry? I know several people who are in these fields and they are dumb as a box of rocks. At least the box of rocks is useful, you can prop a door open with it.


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2Hotel9 on June 12, 2008 at 10:12 am

I have nothing against empirical psychology or neuropsychology. Some if it is useful and interesting. However, I am not a big Freud enthusiast.


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on June 12, 2008 at 10:17 am

I didn’t mean the fields of study, hell, as long as they stay in their offices it is fine. I meant the practitioners thereof. Ya know? Like people that do studies of the cause of stupidity. How stupid you got to be to waste time and effort on that?!?


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2Hotel9 on June 12, 2008 at 10:23 am

honestly, I think this is how universities w/o amazing psychologists get attention. Who knows though. I don’t think the ones’ in Europe need money per se. This one’s in N. Ireland.

that said, I think the correlation tends more towards education-quality&type (not innate) and not IQ (something which is, to a large extent, innate… or so they say).

i have a minimalist view towards what is innate, but there has been lots of talk recently about religion as having an evolutionary advantage. perhaps aiding with the increasingly social nature of humans. innate? who knows. as far as stupidity…

the authors must have combed through a lot of variables, if the journal is reputable and the editors know what they are doing.


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on June 12, 2008 at 10:40 am

As a Christian, a Mensan, and a career data analyst/statistician, I’d be curious to see the research methodology behind the study (though I have no immediate doubts as to the repute of the journal nor the study itself).

Two quick points, though.  One, the wording “causally linked to how likely” is a cleverly misleading way to state “correlated with” - i.e., quick, poor, or less-than-intelligent readers might equate this with “religion makes people dumb.” That could just be me being semantically anal, though.

My more important point is that the study is only meaningful if you (a) believe intelligence to be a virtue in and of itself, and/or (b) wish to belittle religious people.  Since religion does not exist to enhance the ability of people to perform better on math, logic, vocabulary, and medium-term memory tests, but rather to find a deeper meaning to humanity and to be a source of objective morality (please not that I intentionally did not say “an objective source of morality”, a more meaningful study might have been aimed at finding out how well religiosity accomplishes the feat of making people act more morally, or whether or not they understand the meaning of life better than non-believers.

Of course, then you’d have to come up with a definition of “moral” to base the study on, which presents its own problems with objectivity.  In short, quoting “a study” doesn’t always mean that the study itself was objective, let alone lend credence to the objectivity of the person carrying out the study.

sonofasillyperson on June 12, 2008 at 12:05 pm
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Lynn pointed out that most children do believe in God,

Innate knowledge of a Creator?  Hmm, where have I read that before?

Idiots. (/sarcasm)

HG on June 12, 2008 at 12:51 pm

Does the study also address the link between stupidity and Psychology/Psychiatry?

It is a popular major. 2nd only to business among US college students.

This is good for me. The more f*cked up things get, the more jobs for me and mine.


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on June 12, 2008 at 02:41 pm

a Mensan

alas, not me. although i do like statistics.


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on June 12, 2008 at 02:43 pm
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Proof on June 12, 2008 at 03:29 pm

a Mensan

i thought that was some Guatemalan tribe or something. i just figured that the missionaries got to that guy!


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on June 12, 2008 at 03:37 pm

It is a popular Major. Thus proving that stupidity is inextricably linked to the practitioners of Psychology/psychiatry.

And spark, the tribe line is funny.


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2Hotel9 on June 12, 2008 at 07:17 pm
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It seems to be that the nexus is not the believe in God, but those that are willing to question their believes.  Curious people are smarter.

Hawk on June 12, 2008 at 07:44 pm

Any of you folks that wore combat boots might have encountered one or more PSYOPS types.  If I had to restrict my description of them to one word it would have to be FREAKY.  Of course, your experiences might differ. 

Oddly enough, the same sort of trend showed itself in college.  Seems to be folks gravitated to that major in hopes of exorcising their own demons, rather than spending money on treatment.  Again, your experiences might differ there as well.

In an interesting, very possibly more relevant report:

Marijuana Use Affects Blood Flow In Brain Even After Abstinence

ScienceDaily (Feb. 13, 2005) — ST. PAUL, Minn. – People who smoked marijuana had changes in the blood flow in their brains even after a month of not smoking, according to a study published in the February 8 issue of Neurology, the scientific journal of the American Academy of Neurology.

The findings could explain in part the problems with thinking or remembering found in other studies of marijuana users, according to study authors Ronald Herning, PhD, and Jean Lud Cadet, MD, of the National Institute on Drug Abuse in Baltimore, Md.

This might reveal as ironic Christians being lectured as being thstoopit by drug-addled Stinky-Hippies.


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Move_Zig on June 12, 2008 at 09:50 pm

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Move_Zig on June 12, 2008 at 09:56 pm

Curiosity did not kill the cat, stupidity did. Curiosity was framed.


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2Hotel9 on June 13, 2008 at 03:39 am

but those that are willing to question their believes.

i think it may be that they are able to know when certain evidence (or a lack thereof) demands a revamping of the ole ‘this is what i believe’

PSYOPS types

they are freaky. i concur. they operate on a, “we don’t know everything that’s going on in the brain, but if we do Y enough to Mr. Z, we’ll get X result we want” premise. until we know more about what’s going on in the head, no one should get carte blanche to try to affect our behavior.


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on June 13, 2008 at 06:07 am
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