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The UK Guardian, evidently the Guardian of the Socialist Party line, does its best to put a negative spin on the plan.

Funny, this blog and many of its readers was rejecting that idea just last year.

Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

In truth, separation of the various factions in Iraq has always been on the table.  That is why the Iraq constitution allows for independent rule in the various provinces.  The Kurdistan province is an example of that as they have mostly gone their own way establishing their own rule and government.  They (the Kurds) still have representatives on the central government but they don’t depend on it for their day-to-day government activities.

You don’t have to be a moron to be a liberal Democrat but it sure helps.

docdave
if i’m not mistaken i believe the Kurds have more autonomy than the other two potential countries.

Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Gents,

AFAIK, the Kurds were one example of a people broken up by the prevailing parties of WWI / WWII. (see also Basques in France and Spain as well as many African tribal groups).

After the collapse of the Ottoman Empire at the end of WWI, Kurds, whose population was located in Turkey, Iran, Iraq, and Syria were split up and subsumed into those countries. 

I understand many of our successes in that region were by forming SpecOps alliances with the Kurds and letting them do the heavy lifting of the fighting.  If any one group has earned its bones in getting at least a measure of autonomy, it has been the Kurds.

...for great justice

if i’m not mistaken i believe the Kurds have more autonomy than the other two potential countries.

Yes, but only because they have chosen to exercise the option.  The Kurds have been busy building a society while the Sunnis and Shiites are diligently trying to destroy theirs.

You don’t have to be a moron to be a liberal Democrat but it sure helps.

Democratic Senator Joe Biden has been pushing partition for the last 18 months.

Senator and Plagiarist-In-Chief Joe “hair Plugs” Biden is not, at least the last time I looked, President of the United States. Therefore, thank God we don’t have to pay any attention to his moronic ideas. If A Democrat becomes President in 2009, we may have to wage a war against this idiot, but for now we are free to ignore him and allow him to rule his own kingdom from the toilet that is his diseased mind!

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Good point neiman!

thank God we don’t have to pay any attention to his moronic ideas

Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

This is what the Kurds have wanted from day one. The Shiites wouldn’t be bothered either way, I don’t think, as they control some oil-rich land… and without partition they have the most political capital. The Sunnis will be pissed. They control desert, essentially… Baghdad would need a huge heavy duty secular/mixed police force permanently and might end up something like Berlin used to be. Maybe at best like Brussels, but the French and the Dutch get along very well in the towns around Brussels. It’ll need to be well guarded borders and that sort of thing doesn’t always happen nicely. India and Pakistan are pretty effed up about each other still… I say level the playing field by giving everyone a veto (like the Kurds have)… bringing political gridlock and forced diplomacy between groups. Let the three goups be, for the most part, autonomous. We always hear how horrible Saddam was, but I don’t think we’ll be seen as much better if we continue to not allow Sunnis to have government jobs and strip their political efficacy, let alone just chop the country up and leave them in arrid, worthless desert. We can’t take out Saddam’s psychosis on everyone who has similar religious views as him. We can’t ‘bring democracy to the ME’ by just sectioning it up into little plots of land with groups that agree with each other. Violence will increase and differences will polarize. Democracy is nice because everyone doesn’t get along and there is a variety of beliefs among the population. This is where is gets its desirable liberal-ness, this is where freedom comes from. Make them figure it out on the political plane and it forces tolerance and interaction. We have just stripped the Sunnis of their ability to earn and their ability to dissent politically and have anyone listen. We can’t take out what Saddam managed to do, with foreign money and spooks pushing him along, on the Sunnis as a whole… and expect and end to the violence soon. Look at the Serbs who committed atrocities. As a whole, not guilty. The guys they have on film shooting people at Srebrenica and such, tried and guilty. Look at the way Hitler took advantage of that kind of mass guilt and punishment in between the two world wars. We don’t want that kind of avenue opening up to political entrepreneurs in the new Sunni state, where the views are all similar and power can be consolidated easily, quickly, and very very intolerantly.

Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

No agreers or disagreers? Bummer.

Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”