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First, those not accepting Christ as their Savior are not His children. So to imply that very human being is His child is wrong.

Second, nonetheless God is Love and He loves all His creation unconditionally, whether they are His children by faith or not, the worst sinner has access to God’s Love if by faith they appropriate that Love.

Third, whether they are homosexuals or people guilty of any other form of sin, if they do not repent this side of that curtain separating life from death; they will enter into eternal punishing, not because He sends anyone there, they go of there by their own choice by rejecting Christ. Salvation is free and offered to everyone (whosoever), but a gift will avail you no benefits if you don’t accept it!

Fourth, just because someone accepts Christ as their Savior does not mean they are instantly, spiritually mature, and are still not capable of doing all sorts of things outside His will; but they remain saved if they once were genuinely Born Again of as to their spirit nature. Lastly, there are many, far too many people claiming to be Christian that are no such thing and they have dsgraced Christ by their lies and they will suffer the full penalty for such deceipt.

I don’t know this guy and I could not make out his words, so I will accept that he said what you claim, being that God hates homosexuals. If he did say or imply that, he was wrong and the only question is if he is genuinely a Christian or one in name only.

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

I just went to God Tube and couldn’t find this one. Plus, are you sure it wasn’t, like You Tube, somone sending something in that the people behind God Tube didn’t endorse?

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

So to imply that every human being is His child is wrong.

Your opinion. Other ‘sects’ feel differently.

I just went to God Tube and couldn’t find this one.

Well I guess you didn’t look here.

Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

I won’t debate Christianity with you, as you are not well informed and I don’t have the time to educate you. This isn’t a matter of sects or denominations, but the Word.

Just think about it logically, God only has one child, Jesus Who God the father said this is my beloved son, in Him [Jesus] I am well pleased. Did God call anyone else His dearly beloved Son? No! To be a Christian a believer, by faith, shares in the Spirit of Christ and becomes in Spirit one with the Son, and then and only then can anyone become a child of God. However, I made it clear He loves all His creation unconditionally, even those that reject Him, those whom he is always calling to hear His voice and come to Him in His Son; and “whosoever will” come to God by faith in Christ becomes a child of God. Do you think Hitler was a child of God, that He is saved in Heaven with Him? So it is with any sinner, no sinner can be called a child of God, for He and His children are as perfect as He is perfect, because by faith being in Christ He washes away all their sins and they become perfect in Him. This is all a gift, nothing we can do to earn it, just believe His Word and in Christ and He does everything else, because you will have become His child.

I am not professing all knowledge or to be a great theological scholar; but the Lord tells us that anyone (sect) preaching another Gospel unto salvation than the one I just explained is accursed of God.

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

We are all God’s children. Just because some don’t know him does not mean they are not his child…

Sparkie, you know that the guy in the video is a comedian right?  Or did the joke fly right over your pointy head?

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I can’t speak for God, although throughout the ages, many folks have had the overweening belief that they could.

I only remember what I’ve read in the Bible.  Perhaps our Christian God has gotten nice since the New Testament, but I recall reading how so very often God was wroth with one group or another because they had turned from him, and sent angels or a pestilence or delivered them into the hands of their enemies—commanding folks from time to time to put all (men, women and children) to the edge of the sword.

Whether he was nuking Sodom or flooding the Earth, the God from my Bible made clear distinctions between what was following his law and what behaviour was going to earn you a Divine Ass Kicking.

So, if we are to glean God’s will from the Bible, he wasn’t too happy with selected Cities of the Plain, where men wanted to know men as women and he ended up nuking the place.

So, put in contemporary terms, yes, God DOES hate fags, why else would he have burned two entires cities full of them?

Better yet, flooded the entire face of the Earth to take out all of Mankind, where Mankind had gotten just too jiggy wid it?

...for great justice

you know that the guy in the video is a comedian right?

Dude. The flick is on godtube. The guy is a reformed gay. How is this humor? Please, do explain.

Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

MZ

yes, God DOES hate fags, why else would he have burned two entire cities full of them?

Yea. That’s pretty clear. Also, watch out for gingerbread houses in the woods. Those ladies just want to kidnap you fatten you and eat you. Why else would they eat Hansel and Grettel?

Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

I wonder why God didn’t burn the city-states in the film 300? Hmmmm?!?

Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

hmmm. maybe its a hoax. hard to tell… see here and here

Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Zsa Zsa: You are free to believe what you want to believe, whether it is based on God’s Word or not; and your answer agrees with your doctrine of Universal Salvation for everyone. If you are right, I hope Hitler & John Wayne Gacy among others are enjoying life in Heaven. We are all God’s creation and He loves us all unconditionally, but if we do not respond to His Gift of Love in Jesus Christ, before we cross throught the veil separating this life from the next, we will suffer eternal punishing for that most grievous error and we will not be counted among God’s children.

Sparkie & Move_Zig: I don’t have the time or interest to go into this matter in depth, this is a busy day and I am just taking a brief break. There were two covenants between God and Man, the Old Testament required people to obey the Law perfectly by their own efforts or die in their sins. In the New Testament, we are under the dispensation of Grace, wherein the Law is no longer our Master, but if we are in Christ we are under a new Master, that of God’s Grace and Love.

Those things done in the Old Testament were examples for us who now benefit from God’s Grace. That is, there is under the Law only one standard whereby anyone could be saved by their own efforts, which was/is perfect obedience to the Law of God. No one except Christ ever lived a perfect life and all those trying to gain God’s Salvation by being good and following the rules perfectly failed. However, under Grace, Jesus’ perfect obedience to every dot and tittle of the Law has been credited to our account, that is, for those who believe in Christ as their Savior.

Lastly, it is important to note that while God, in His permissive Will allowed a great judgment to fall upon Sodom & Gommorah, the rampant homosexuality there was self-love; that is, lust for sexual intercourse with others of their own gender was placed upon the throne of man and they worshipped the bodies of others of their own gender because of self-love, which is a form of idolatry, rather than God alone. Thus, we are to know that God’s Judgment will come upon all outside of Christ, because they are idolatrous in various ways, by not worhipping God alone. It is also interesting to note that homosexual behavior was condemned in both the Old and New Testaments, along with many other sins, so no one may claim that God does not view such self love as being worthy of His wrath, and should these people and all sinners fail to respond to His call of Love in Christ Jesus they will die in their sins.

It amazes me, God sent His own Son to take upon Himself all the punishment due to us for our myriad of sins in this life; then He suffered death for us that we might never have to experience death, and He rose from the dead so all who believed in Him would also be raised to new eternal life with immortal bodies. This gift of God is all free, no strings; if we simply by faith believe God’s Word is true as touching this matter, we will never die. Yet, most of us would rather enjoy the pleasures of sin and self-love for a short season of physical life, and so we reject the free, most precious gift.

If I offer you one hundred million dollars as a gift, and you know I have the resources, though you are in every way a multi millionaire from the day I first offered it, it will never benefit you whatsoever unless you have the faith to go to the bank and start using the money. Jesus offers eternal life, a free gift, but if we do not go to Jesus by faith and claim the gift, we will never enjoy anything the gift has to offer us.

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Jesus offers eternal life

at the current sale price of 10,000 hail marys. buy now and get a 1,000 hail mary rebate by mail.

don’t you have to die to enjoy ‘eternal life’? how is that life?

Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Neiman...You said, First, those not accepting Christ as their savior they are not his children. Yes they are. Where does it say that? The last I heard we are all his children...? He doesn’t like homosexuality, And finds it a total abomination. BUT that does NOT mean they are not his children. Does it? Homosexuality is a forgivable sin, If they repent and turn away just like any other sin. Is it not?

Zas Zsa: Yes, homosexuality is a forgiveable sin, every sin but blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is forgiven; but forgiveness requires as a pre-condition repentance. One is unable to forgive someone unable or unwilling to admit their sins and ask for forgiveness. I have known many Homosexuals having been saved, some completely freed from their previous lifestyle, others still struggling and often falling back into old behavior, but they are saved that notwithstanding!

You are mistaking God’s human creation, all of whom He loves unconditionally and He calls them all to Jesus if they are willing. That is quite different from being God’s child. I may geniueinely love all children and seek to help as many as I might, but unless they are born of my seed or adopted, they are not my children. That is why the Lord speaks about our being adopted into God’s Family in Christ; that is, those who believe in Him and accept His Salvation.

Got to go back to work now!

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Neiman… Where is that? I don’t remember ever seeing or hearing that. When you get the time. I would appreciate it! Thanks…

Sparkless: I shared the God Tube link with some other Christians, and while I could not make out the words they could and you were right it was hate filled and disgusting. But, does that mean those beliefs should be blamed on all Christians?

Zsa Zsa: Galatians 4:5 “that we might receive the adoption of children;” “by which is meant, both the grace, blessing, and privilege of adoption, and the inheritance; both are received, and that in consequence of redemption by Christ; and such as receive the one will also receive the other. Adoption, as a blessing of grace, exists before it is received; nor does the reception of it add anything to the thing itself; it was in God’s designation from all eternity, who predestinated his chosen ones unto it by Christ, according to the good pleasure of his will.”

Roman’s 8:23 “even we ourselves groan within ourselves; waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.”

Galatian’s 3:26 “For ye are all the children of God; . . . by faith in Christ Jesus.” ”Not by nature, as Christ is the Son of God, for he is the only begotten of the Father, and in such sense as neither angels nor men are the sons of God; nor by creation, as Adam and all mankind, and the angels are; but by divine adoption by an act of God’s rich and sovereign grace.”

I wanted in politeness to respond to your question, but I have absolutely no desire to convince you of anything or engage in what the Lord calls vain disputations; that is, to try and debate God’s Word when the other person will never accept anything not in accordance with their own prejudices regarding the matter. This is why I won’t debate HG, he only wants to argue about Christianity and I am not interested.

As I said, you are free to believe whatever you want, it is none of my business. I just could not resist your statement and wanted to add my two cents worth, and as usual it cannot be left alone.

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Neiman...Thanks for pointing that out. Was that Paul who wrote that? I like Paul alot. BUT I really love what Jesus says more!…

Zsa Zsa: Paul got angry with people who claimed to be his disciples or having been saved by him; he said that Paul, Appolos and others were nothing, only Christ Jesus was worthy of our time, attention and love. So, Paul would agree with you.

I will probably regret bringing this up; but unfortunately I often tend to go where even angels fear to tread: I must point out that the majority of Christians until the past several decades have, I believe rightly, ascribed virtually all of Paul’s words in the Epistles bearing his name, to the direct inspiration of the Holy Spirit, except on those few occasions when he stated that it was him speaking his own thoughts, although even then he felt assured what he said was in harmony with the Spirit of God.

Who is the Holy Spirit? Jesus tells us that it is His Own Divine Spirit, Who from before all time began was God the Word. He insired the Old Testament prophets and all the writers of the New Testament. So, when Paul was speaking by the inspiration of the Spirit, it is Jesus Himself speaking through him, though at times many of those Divine words make us uncomfortable.

People like to say that Jesus never spoke against certain sins like homosexuality, so if it wasn’t important enough for Him to address, it must not be important at all. But, it was God the Word, God the Son, the Holy Spirit of Christ that from cover to cover in the Bible is speaking directly to us, whether we like what He has to say or not. So anywhere Scripture speaks against these or other sins, it is the same Lord speaking.

I will say that like you, in my flesh, I prefer what Jesus said directly in the Gospels and Acts to the words of Paul; but if it is the same Jesus speaking everywhere in Holy Scripture; through Moses, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Peter, Paul or John; what right have I to say to Jesus I like your words when you are speaking directly, but I don’t like your words when you speak them through someone else? I wonder what He thinks about me choosing which of His words to approve of and which ones I do not?

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

I agree. Thanks for pointing that out.

Zsa Zsa: You are welcome!

But, please know, with all the sincerity I can muster that; I am only trying my best to defend what I truly believe, I do not think I possess a superior righteousness to any other human being on earth - in matter of fact I am a champion at sinning to my regret; nor do I think for one atomic moment that I possess greater insights into Scripture than anyone else; I am a bumbling old sinner hanging on to God’s Word and Jesus as my Savior; and if I make Heaven’s shores, it will not be because of anything good in me.

I regret that often I have appeared otherwise to you, but it is only my direct, forceful manner coming through in trying to make a point that makes me seem that I think I know it all - on the other hand I am painfully aware of how little I really know about anything. However, I am confident that my son, my dear mother and my father are with the Lord and I hope I get to see them one day!

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Also, watch out for gingerbread houses in the woods. Those ladies just want to kidnap you fatten you and eat you. Why else would they eat Hansel and Grettel?

Classic.  Laugh out loud funny.  Thanks.

I was sitting down at the computer after a workout at the YMCA tonight and was wondering what to do.  I was thinking about a night spent googling some hot man on man action, possibly some group stuff, but then I realized that it is a choice.  I don’t have to be gay. 

Thanks for the video Sparkie.  I am going to go make some sweet hetero love to my wife and try to scrub the gayness out of me with some steel wool.

His past gay life explains the mustache.

Where is Screech from Saved by the Bell when you need him?

Eeeeeeeoooooowwww! Yucck!  throw up!

Sorry about that.  It slipped.  =)

I am not sure who the video was making fun of more… gays or the Evangelical Restorative Therapy folks.  Both are fairly easy targets, but you can get away with picking on one and not the other.

This is on par with the ski resort spoof http://www.skibrokeback.com

Justin...You truly are the biggest brat of all. BRAT!

recommended reading on ‘curing homosexuality’ - very funny phenom indeed. i crossposted that here at some point a while back.

Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Again, the only time when it’s a bad thing to be gay is when you are endangered or attacked by other humans who hate you for being gay.

Sexual norms are a matter of cultural conditioning, and in the Wonderbread world of Western monoculture, it’s easy to forget that. 

I don’t buy that.  I buy that gays shouldn’t be “bashed” meaning physical violence.  But to stretch it to say that absent physical violence (or bigotted people) being gay is just as good as being straight just doesn’t fly.  Clearly that is not true on the face of it.  What is true is that people should not be ashamed to be “gay” and maybe that was the point.  But they damned sure better be careful of how they live their lives because being gay has some serious implications that move far beyond bigottry.

Suicides, other psychological problems, as well as drug use and STD’s are far more prevalent in the Gay population than the Straight population.  Take for instance HIV.  It was originally a “Gay disease” and while the Christian leaders at the time claimed it was God’s Wrath on gays, (which is total bullshit), it was spread by dangerous sexual habits of the homosexual population.  HIV is still far more prevalent in the gay population due to their habits of multiple sex partners and engaging in anal sex which is ten times as likely as vaginal sex to spread HIV.  Clearly, during the early 80’s it was a bad time to be Gay and it had not a damn thing to do with gay bashing.

You don’t go around glorifying a lifestyle that encourages dangerous behavior, and part of the problem is that the gays take any reference by any straight person (but especially Christians) as being an attack on them for being gay.  I have no problem with being “gay”.  I have a problem with people having multiple sex partners and engaging in dangerous behavior to “spite society”.  That if society says having group sex or going to bathhouses or engaging in unprotected anal sex with someone who does these things is bad, then we have to do it just to show society that we don’t like their norms or values.

There are some societal norms about sex that are there for health reasons.  Getting circumcised is good for health reasons, not just because Christians think they should.

1.  Christians believe being Gay is a sin.
2.  Some Christians are bigots.
3.  Christians also believe monogamy has societal value.

It does not follow that because of 1 and 2, that 3 is no longer valid because Christians are a bunch of homophobic bigots.  But that is the line that gays keep spouting.  There is nothing wrong with their lifestyle.

Reagen also didn’t issue a public warning about HIV until 35 or 40,000 people had died from it. Irresponsible to say the least.

Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Neiman, Zsa Zsa,

It seems you both are correct, but in different contexts.

“Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man’s device.”

HG...What does that mean? Personally, I have always believed that God is our heavenly Father. I have never thought of God as a graven image.

Zsa,

It just makes your point that we are all the “offspring of God”.  The reference to idols is irrelevant to this post, but I thought I’d quote the whole verse.  I guess I could have left that out.

HG...You did well. It made the point more clear. Thanks, man!

ZZ,

I have always believed that God is the father of all creation, meaning our spiritual father, but in as much as the only beings that he has actually physically fathered (if you call the creation and the immaculate conception physical fathering) are Adam and Jesus Christ.

Lots of folks believe that Christ is also God the Father and the Holy Spirit.  That they are one being, so I can’t imagine that it makes sense to discuss all the ramifications of this fundamental belief and how that impacts our version of the Godhead and the roles of each or all of the three entities. 

You gotta start with a basic premise on what comprises the Godhead and then your further beliefs on how this impacts us spring from there.  And there is great dispute over this issue.  I would honestly say that the Holy Trinity, Godhead, or however you choose to refer to it is the single biggest reason why there are almost as many denominations of Christians as there are Christian pastors.  Add in the controversy over Baptisms and over the translation of the Bible and it is easy to see why wars are fought amongs Christians over their beliefs.

My take on all of it is that these matters and interpretation are far less important than studying the work and the words that Christ spoke.  We have one Lord and one Savior and the principles of repentence are the single most important thing.  Repentence for forgiveness of sin does not depend on whether God is your father or Christ is the same person as God or whether you are baptized by immersion.  How Heaven shakes out and whether we are right or wrong about these other issues will be revealed on the other side.

I tend to agree with ZZ on the nature of God as our father, but that is less important than us all agreeing on Christ being our Savior.  If we don’t repent, none of the rest of it matters much.

I am a gay man from the uk and some of the homophobic comments are so dumb the reason that christians do not like gay men is because it was not a jew that killed jesus but a gay man (pilate) gay man said to the jews shall i kill your king they turned and said we only have one king and that is caesar also gay jesus was not just on trail because he claimed to be the son of god but because he did not pay his taxes to caesar caesar at the time also claimed to be the son of god venus and why in the court room when pilate asked jesus to turn the loaf of bread into 10 loafs why could he not do this they added being gay is wrong to the bible because of what happened to jesus.