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I only ever use IE when I have to, like when Firefox isn’t supported. The bugs on IE just got too irritating.

Do not fear to be eccentric in opinion, for every opinion now accepted was once eccentric.

Marty: I use IE on my laptop on the road, (like now)not because it is my first choice, but because my IT department is Firefoxphobic and doesn’t like folks to use it to hook up to the network.

Haven’t crashed yet. (Knock on wood grained video simulation!)

A troll is someone who only wants to stir up trouble, not have an honest debate.  Some signs that a poster is a troll:
* Dodges questions from other posters * Refuses to give sources
* When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts.  Heh. (From the LGF faq)

My bad! I have IE7.

A troll is someone who only wants to stir up trouble, not have an honest debate.  Some signs that a poster is a troll:
* Dodges questions from other posters * Refuses to give sources
* When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts.  Heh. (From the LGF faq)

IE7 is a good browser and very easy to support—if it works in FF it probably works okay in IE7 (chances are it actually works better).  I’m keeping IE6 for the time being because I still need to support it and there’s no good way to have both 6 and 7 on the same machine. 

And of course I like to use MSIE simply because it drives the religious geeks freaking nuts!

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And of course I like to use MSIE simply because it drives the religious geeks freaking nuts!

Really, I dumped Microsoft all together because it made me nuts, and I’m hardly a computer geek but Linux Rocks.

I’m hardly a computer geek but Linux Rocks.

You’re Hysterical!

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I’ve had no problem visiting this site, and I always use IE.

Maybe it’s your comp.

Marty, out of the many thousands of people who visit this site every single day (55% of which use the very browser you use) you’re the only one having a problem.

So I’m not sure what you expect me to do.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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If other people out there are having problems, please let me know.

I know the in-line advertising I was using was causing some loading issues, but I removed them weeks ago.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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Yep, me too!

Don’t know why, but if I link through Breitbart.com, I can get to SAB and navigate through the site just fine.

If I go directly to the SAB my computer always locks up.

Never said anything, but it is a pain.

“To love is not to stare steadfast at one another...it is to look forward, in the same direction.”
Saint-Exupéry

Marty, I know this is off topic, but thought you might enjoy it!

One day, a man
came home and was greeted by his wife dressed in a very sexy nightie. ‘Tie me up,’ she purred, ‘and you can do anything you want.’ So he tied her up and went golfing.

“To love is not to stare steadfast at one another...it is to look forward, in the same direction.”
Saint-Exupéry

Mine locks up, I was blaming it on vista.

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

The site never locks up for me, and certainly it isn’t enough of a problem that people have been emailing me about it.

And believe me, I get emails with every tiny glitch on the site.

Let me see if I can figure it out.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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You know, part of the problem with stuff like this is the minute someone brings it up suddenly everyone is blaming their computer lockups on this site.

But I’ll see what I can do.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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Ok, I made some tweaks in the templates and streamlined things a bit.

Let me know if there are any problems.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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By the way, this:

But for this to happen through sheer carelessness and apathy—on an advertiser supported website no less—just doesn’t make very much sense.

Really chaps me.  If you’ve got a problem, let me know and I try to fix it.  But blindsiding me with some post about how you’re having problems isn’t exactly the nicest way of going about things.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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You know, part of the problem with stuff like this is the minute someone brings it up suddenly everyone is blaming their computer lockups on this site.

For cryin’ out loud, Rob.

I wouldn’t have brought it up uif you hadn’t said:

If other people out there are having problems, please let me know.

The only time I experience this problem, is when I do as I said.

Next time, I’ll keep my mouth shut!

“To love is not to stare steadfast at one another...it is to look forward, in the same direction.”
Saint-Exupéry

i enter via the reader blogs so as to avoid that. try it.

Ok, I made some tweaks in the templates and streamlined things a bit.
Let me know if there are any problems.

Yeah right. So you you can rag on us for bringing it up.

I never said it was a problem with your site, only that I couldn’t get through.

“To love is not to stare steadfast at one another...it is to look forward, in the same direction.”
Saint-Exupéry

Yeah right. So you you can rag on us for bringing it up.
I never said it was a problem with your site, only that I couldn’t get through.

Marty’s post was less than friendly. It was a definate FU to Rob. I’ve had problems every once in a while getting here. I certainly never blame the site or Rob. Marty was a dick here. Instead of quietly saying “I’m having problems with the site”, he said “Screw you Rob, you’re maliciously not fixing a problem so I’m never coming here again!” And now that he mentioned it, others have started with “you know what....”

I understand Rob’s point.

Kenny,

I agree with you completely.

I understand Rob’s point.

Now understand my point.

Rob wanted to know if anyone else was having a problem.

I took this to mean, since he said he recieved no other complaints, that if there was a problem he wanted to know if it encompassed more then what Marty was talking about.

So, I let him know that I had problems. At times.
I did so as a gesture of friendship.

What I get in return was...gee, now the rats are coming out of the woodwork.

I never complained about the problem before, because (although as I said it was a pain) I know that there are always instances, maybe beyond Robs’ control, where things like that happen. Besides which, I had my own solution...instead of linking through SAB, I went through Brietbart.

I let him know so he could be aware that other people were experiencing difficulty.

I wasn’t complaining

I’ve always treated Rob with the utmost of respect.
I know with all he does, it is tough to also deal with complaints.

If Rob had a problem with one of his posts, I didn’t BLOG about it.

I sent him a private E-Mail, because I thought he might want to know.

So, In return.. I get

“suddenly everyone is blaming their computer lockups on this site.”

“To love is not to stare steadfast at one another...it is to look forward, in the same direction.”
Saint-Exupéry

Addtionally,

I thought maybe I could cool Marty off with a joke.

I didn’t want him to leave SAB. I Like SAB,and would have liked to see as many people as possible stay on Robs’ site.

I don’t know who Marty is, maybe he’s a jerk.

I was just trying to help.

“To love is not to stare steadfast at one another...it is to look forward, in the same direction.”
Saint-Exupéry

Streamlining seems to have eliminated a script or two that continually tried but never connected.
Site always usable.
SA never crashed anything.

FF 2.0.0.11/Mac

Jeez, the day I can no longer chap my old buddy Rob is the day I hang up my hat for good.

I do happen to know a thing or two about websites, and I have complained before, only to be told “it’s just you”. 

In any case, I’m viewing this page in IE6 right now so whatever tweaks you made seemed to have helped.  I’ll test more throroughly tonight and report back.

Now, Happy Mardi Super Fat Tuseday Gras!  Show me your tits and VOTE!

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Jeez, the day I can no longer chap my old buddy Rob is the day I hang up my hat for good.

I do happen to know a thing or two about websites, and I have complained before, only to be told “it’s just you”. 

In any case, I’m viewing this page in IE6 right now (ok well i WAS “viewing it, but cannot seem to post comments so switched to FF) so whatever tweaks you made seemed to have helped.  I’ll test more thoroughly tonight and report back.

Now, Happy Mardi Super Fat Tuseday Gras!  Show me your tits and VOTE!

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I have had some issues related to SA, nothing major. There were some access problems that Rob&Crew cleared up. Mainly email related, comment thread notification and such. Never had a complete crash, even when we were using MSIE on both our computers. Now I run FireFox(Thanks Lik!), and Wifey has the Hated Vistas on her new computer. She had our geek tweak it and has had very little trouble, and no trouble with SA.

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Hopefully the tweaks I’ve made will fix the problems.

And sorry I was short with you folks.  It’s been a long couple of weeks (wife keeps kinda sorta going in and out of labor) and I don’t exactly like the implication that I’m maliciously not fixing a problem on this site.

I try to keep things running as best I can, but I’m not a developer.  I’m not even particularly good at coding.  Keeping things running around here is nearly a full time job.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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I had a few problems, intermittently.  MSIE6; never made the jump to 7 or Firefox.  IE would lock-up, not responding, shut-down in task manager.  SA site only.  Happened when switching pages.  I thought it was on my end.  Really wasn’t a big deal, so I didn’t mention it.

“We need not worry so much about what man descends from - it’s what he descends to that shames the human race.”

Ok, thanks.

Let’s see if the tweaks I made make a difference.

I’ve never really been happy with the way the site loads with the Pajamas ads.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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WOOF:

SA never crashed anything. FF 2.0.0.11/Mac

Well duh.

Macs don’t freeze.

Seriously though the problem is in IE6, not SayAnything.

There are known problems with IE6 and the video drivers.  In the bad old days of IE5/Windows NT, on one configuration, even upgrading to IE6 was enough to skunk up your system bad enough to force a complete reinstall.

Which on Windows NOT was quite a pain in the arse.

I did clean up a lot of javascript that didn’t need to be on the blog any more.  I also took out the in-text ads, which were lucrative to help me pay for this blog, but were become such a pain on loading that I gave them up.

There’s probably more I can do yet, but loading this morning seems pretty crisp.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

Rob’s recently listened-to songs:

Rob,
I for one appreciate your diligence and attention to detail in managing SAB. I think you do a bang up job and have no complaints (and if I do, I won’t broadcast them to the world).
I sympathise completely with you suffering as a result of your wife’s Braxton Hicks, it can be pretty irritating for women and it helps to share the load with their significant other.

Do not fear to be eccentric in opinion, for every opinion now accepted was once eccentric.

For what its worth:

FF for Mac:  Works, but won’t let me post.
Safari: Works perfectly.

Honestly, you might have to torture me before I would try to use IE—even if I did have a Windows computer.

Geez guy, didn’t you know that even US CERT has warned against Internet Exploder as being vulnerable to exploits?

All those back doors and hashes that Algore had MS build into the code to make things easier for the ECHELON and CARNIVORE crowd, along with the fact that hackers code so as to get the most bang for the buck, make IE a dangerous browser to use indeed.

On the flip side however, yes SAB really does have a finicky code to deal with.  It’s gotten somewhat better since switching from Opera to Firefox and then loading Flashblocker.  Still the no-resize code is a pain in the butt.

It’s the content, not the code that makes me keep coming back.

...for great justice

Still crashing intermittently.  Your changes seem to have helped (it’s not locking up immediately on every attempt, but late in the load on maybe 20% of attempts) somewhat, but haven’t completely solved the problems.

Thanks for looking into it for us.

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Why, again, are you insisting on vainly holding onto a dying operating system?

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Two reasons, 2H9:

The first reason is professional.  As a user interface developer and usability analyst, i prefer to spend most of my time working in the same environment that the majority of my audience works in.  I want to experience the same features and bugs that they see, so I will know exactly what they are talking about when I’m called on to address them. FWIW, everyone in the fortune 100 organization that I work for is using MSIE6 as a matter of company policy. 

The second reason is personal—it is simply to piss you off.

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I wouldn’t use IE6 period.  What you are describing sounds to me like a very poor corporate policy.  IE6 is a bug-ridden application that doesn’t have the decency to avoid stepping on operating system bugs.  IE7 has at least been tuned to avoid doing that…

The second reason is personal—it is simply to piss you off.

You missed the target.  We’re laughing at you, not with you.

Carrick, if you understood the costs involved in simply upgrading from IE6 to IE7, you might rethink your assessment of “company policy”.  That figure would easily triple or quadruple if we decided to support Firefox and Opera across the enterprise.

Nevermind the number of applications we have that use MS-specific features that simply cannot be replicated in Firefox. 

For better or worse, a huge investment was made in microsoft technolgy long ago.  You cannot realisticly expect us to just walk away from that just because the “script kiddies” hate Bill Gates.

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The error was made in the initial adoption of IE6, in my opinion.  ISome mistakes are very hard to undo retroactively.  I’ve got nothing against Windows per se, I don’t use it for my work simply because the Mac is a much better development environment, as well as being a much stabler platform.

Microsoft’s problems aren’t because the script kiddies hate Gates in any case, their problems rest in a badly designed system with a terrible security record.  Mac’s get attacked by hackers with about the same frequency as Windows, the Windows system is just a soft target.

When you figure out a way to cut&paste financial data & graphs from an Excel spreadsheet into a webform and save it to a database from Firefox or a Mac, let us know okay?  MS gave us ActiveX for this, and we’ve used it.  Only the severly naive would suggest that we stop using it when there is no viable alternative.

(That’s just one example showing why MS technology was the obvious choice for internet enabling back-office applications)

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Very good today, not a single crash (yet).

I also noticed that I no longer have to click the back-button twice to get back to the main page, after clicking into a post.  Thanks for removing that amazingly annoying iframe, whosever it was.

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Marty:

When you figure out a way to cut&paste financial data & graphs from an Excel spreadsheet into a webform and save it to a database from Firefox or a Mac, let us know okay?  MS gave us ActiveX for this, and we’ve used it.  Only the severly naive would suggest that we stop using it when there is no viable alternative.

Both of these are routinely done on a Mac.  See this. Or this. You have the choice between a seamless programming framework and a high level scripting language.  (Practically, I would use both, since I’ve never played with the Excel API on a Mac.)

To clarify things though, I wasn’t arguing against using Windows or the ActiveX framework, just not the IE application.

Had I been involved, I would have recommended not using IE6, rather use the WinInet interface (that IE6 was a front end for) directly.  I like the implications about code stability, regression testing and so forth from this approach way more than tying yourself into a high-level application.

My approach is to write library modular code for the “core aspects” of a given system, this is similar to having the “real” internet explorer be part of the system-level API on Windows.  The way I design my code, the main application is a GUI wrapper for a library-level code set that can be assessed equally well from a command line program (and therefore easily scripted).

Marty, it ain’t pissing me off. You are the one dealing with problems. Apparently not all of them are Bill Gates’ fault. And none of them are Rob’s fault. You are the one with the defective system. Seems that you are the one that is pissed off. Perhaps you should take that up with the person whose fault that is.

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LOL!  You’re a funny old coot 2H9!

You are the one dealing with problems.

I get paid right well to deal with just these kinds of problems, thank you.

Apparently not all of them are Bill Gates’ fault.

Nope, apparently not.

And none of them are Rob’s fault.

Yet somehow he managed to fix them anyway.  He’s got good mojo, I’ll grant you that.  When he puts his mind to it.

You are the one with the defective system.

Not the only one, apparently.  Just the only one who complained loud enough to get noticed. 

Seems that you are the one that is pissed off.

Nah, but sometimes I act like an ass when I need to motivate someone else to do the right thing.  Surely an old curmudgeon like yourself can relate to that, right?

Perhaps you should take that up with the person whose fault that is.

Here, let me push your chair out into the sun for the afternoon.  It’s such a nice day out, and I know how you like to feed the birds…

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I don’t know, I never had any problems browsing here. I think Microsoft should have to fix there own problems, not web site owners.

I use to be a Script Kiddie, I would take exploits and change the source a bit to make them even funnier, even made a few of my own. But you got to admit that IE is pretty unsave.

1) Your Active x that you like so much, it was possible before it was finally patched to change the monitor to a higher/lower resolution with out asking you to confirm.

2) With IE and JavaScript, you could make 100’s of pages print a solid black pic that filled the entire length of every page again without any approval, before that was finally patched.

3) One that was funny but not as malicious and also without any approval, making the cd rom doors open and close continuously.

4) Another one that was funny, that I figured out how to reproduce myself with out someone’s source was the many mail exploit, where you push a link and have an abundant amount of popups that filled the draft section with your own funny message.

There’s so many more I could list. 2,3 and 4 worked on a fresh install of XP PRO with service pack 1.

But for the most part, I went looking for them, and tried all the viruses out on myself because I thought it was fun, I still do, but I’m not going to waste my time with that anymore.

Instead I’ll continue using Linux, and laugh at all you Window users who have an arsenal of Apps. Just to keep IE and windows working smoothly.

Maybe I’ll install another Harddrive and throw Vista on it, just for the fun of it. But I would never go back to Windows.

Marty, you are the one complaining all the time, so clearly you have a problem. Not just the ones from Bill Gates. Switch to a non-defective browser and operating system and, at least, some of your problems will go away.

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Well we can scratch the second part of my comment at 5:24 pm—the iFrame appears to be back.

After clicking from the main page into an individual post, it takes TWO clicks of the [BACK] button to return to the main page. 

This is true for both IE6 and IE7.

Annoying, but at least it isn’t crashing anymore....

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Yep, I’m using IE7 now, and it still takes 2 clicks of the BACK button to go back one page. 

Not to mention the 3 javascript error alerts I get on EVERY page…

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Quit crying and get a OS that works.

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