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Monday, February 11, 2008

Fear of Demons and the new Avatar (Danger Religious Post)

I post the warning because I am not proselytizing, I am not preaching. I know I have fellow travelers on this blog who have commented and might be curious about the new avatar. We may not agree on everything but I appreciate your understanding and thought you would want to know.

The new avatar comes from talk I gave at Church once. One of the Men of the Church, Gary Sebela, who does graphic arts stuff created this for me after hearing my sermon. It has meaning to me and I have a copy hung on my wall at home.

In that sermon I used the quote that “Old tigers are more dangerous when they know it might be their last hunt”. I drew that quote from a movie, “The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen”

During the talk I asked this question, “Do they know your name in Hell?” More important do the demons in Hell fear your name? The story from Acts 19 and the Sons of Sceva was part of the text. In it these boys were pummeled by demons they approached without authority and were asked by the demons, “Paul we know, and Jesus we know, but who in HELL are you?” That’s the Gene Translation of the Bible. So the question we need to ask is, in the who’s who of hell who in hell are you? If they don’t know you and worry about you that’s not good.

If Demons tremble at the sound of Jesus name, should they not also tremble at the name of Gene or insert your own name here? They certainly did at the name of Paul according to the text.

I have had experience with Demons. Don’t let that weird you out. I have. I don’t fear them. In fact I enjoy finding them and dealing with them. Casting them out. When I was in Jamaica they told me of zombies and demonic presences. I was excited. I said, “Let’s go, I want to meet these demons”. Of course that was all bluster. If there had been demons, they would have stayed home for fear of being sent back to the pit.

I don’t fear evil, evil fears me and the one’s by whos name and authority I walk. So, that picture is of an old Tiger by the name of Gene, prowling around at the scene of the crime looking for some devil butt to kick around for what he did to Jesus. He is fearless because he knows this could be his last hunt.

When you get older you get a little more reckless and mean. I have nothing to lose. What, is he gonna kill me? Big whoop. For me to die is Christ, to live is gain and LOSS FOR THE DEVIL.

This isn’t arrogance, it’s authority. Not my authority. HIS.

I remember the old saying that is meant to be mocking, “Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I shall fear no evil, because I know I’m the meanest son-of-a-bitch in the valley! That is actually the way it should be for a Christian who knows his authority. And, to be theologically correct, not I am mean, but I fear not because I know who I am and who’s I am.

So, the sermon title, “When you have nothing to lose you have everything to gain” means that living above loss is great power. Try firing someone and watch what happens. I saw Daniel Pearl as he was executed. Great Courage. You know they can kill the body but will leave the soul unharmed. It’s a great way to live. NO FEAR “Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell”.

Matthew 10:28

Comments

I fear not because I know who I am and who’s I am.

You are all set - in Chicago and NYC!

Also, I noticed the ‘I am’ repetition. I think that was Fichte‘s solution to Kant’s first principle dilemma. “The self posits a self-positing self.”

Fichte (1762–1814) developed during the final decade of the eighteenth century a radically revised and rigorously systematic version of transcendental idealism, which he called Wissenschaftslehre of “Doctrine of Scientific Knowledge.” Perhaps the most characteristic, as well as most controversial, feature of the Wissenschaftslehre (at least in its earlier and most influential version) is Fichte’s effort to ground his entire system upon the bare concept of subjectivity, or, as Fichte expressed it, the “pure I.”

Also, Gene, while I am talking philosophy and you theology, did you know that the first monotheistic religion, Zoroastrianism (circa 9,10th c BCE), beat you guys by 1,000 years?

key concepts of Zoroastrian eschatology and demonology had influence on the Abrahamic religions

Thank you, by the way, for dealing with the demons. I’m glad it ain’t me! Still, I s’pect they fear my name.


rasberry

Sparkie Arbuckle on February 11, 2008 at 07:26 pm

There’s a huge arrogance in assuming that demons fear your name. It is one thing to believe you are doing the work of the lord or are trying to lead a good life. But to believe that demons run screeching from the mention of (insert your name here) is supreme self idolatry.

Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.
Better it is to be of an humble spirit with the lowly, than to divide the spoil with the proud.

-- Proverbs 16: 18-19 (KJV)

As it is written, There is none righteous, no not one.

-- Romans 3:10

In the story, the demon proclaims “Jesus I know, and Paul I recognize...” There is nothing to impart that he fears Paul (though his master certainly), let alone that he fears other humans. The Bible is always clear that God does miracles by the hands of humans. It is always God’s power, God’s name, God’s works, never the works of man. To claim fear of demons is to claim that for yourself.

I fail to see how that’s NOT arrogant.


Obama/Biden is not change. It’s more of the same.

Kenny on February 11, 2008 at 08:35 pm

Sparkie, I’m sorry, you lost me.  I’m not a philosopher or theologian per se.  Just a guy with lots of experiences in the Spirit that witness to what is true for me.  So I’ll go with that.

As far as Zorasterism, The Bible confirms the existence of Pre Abrahamic religions. Look at the tower of Babel for example and what came from that. In fact go back far enough in history you will find most religious expressions were monotheistic.  One God.  That is the witness of the spirit.  There is One God.  Man knew that from the beginning because they knew the story of the true and living God.  It just skewed off a bit as time went on.

Man was created as we see in the Genesis account 15-20 thousand years ago.  The world is as old as our geology shows.  There have been extinctions.  Several.  But, there was a beginning to it all.  More than Big Bang.  The Big Bang was, God said.  and it was.

When? Billions of years ago.  Men existed before the creation of man as recorded in Genesis.  None of them survive to this day.

There are billions of years contained in the first verse of the Bible.  God had to recreate the earth from formlessness and void caused by some global catastrophe. (Asteroid in the Gulf of Mexico?) Then is when the creation story kicks in. 

So, zorasterism certainly did precede Abraham. Lots of things preceded Abraham.  Lost of aberrant religious expressions some of whom continue to this day.

We just have one trump card.  Jesus.  Predicted and fulfilled as he conquered death.  That’s why the Demons tremble.


the AVATAR
Old Tigers are more dangerous when they believe this could be their last hunt.

From , “The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen”
Old tigers, sensing the end,
they’re at their most fierce. 
And they go down fighting.

Gene on February 11, 2008 at 08:44 pm

Kenny,
First I looked at several versions of this passage in Acts 19, I don’t think they were mentioning that they knew Paul because they were passive about the whole thing.  I think they really did have concerns that he would come to them in the name, authority and anointing of Jesus and deal with them.  They would have to bow to his command. See Mark 16:17.

So, to say that once a person has been hidden in Christ he carries with him the same authority in the name of Jesus that Jesus carries.  Once that takes place the person who does walk in that authority is “Known about”.  Put another way, Taken note of. 
Not someone they want to mess with.  If I take note of a rattle snake, I will want to steer clear of it. To take note of.  Demons aren’t stupid.  They will try to stay clear.  They know this can’t come out well.  They are looking for an easier mark. 

So, is it arrogance to say that Demons know and fear when your name as it is connected with, anointed with the Power of Jesus?

I don’t think so.  We as Christians have walked in too little power.  We are pansies.  We must be bold, strong and full of confidence that We can do all things thru Jesus the anointed one and the anointing we carry in our very beings as a result of being connected spiritually to his anointing.  That’s the real explanation of the “I can do all things thru Christ which strengthens me”. 

If you reread my post, I say clearly that if you are walking in the anointing of Jesus you walk in the full authority of his name.  That is not arrogance, that’s the authority he intended everyone to have.

It’s the authority the Apostles needed and had after the day of Pentecost.  It’s the authority that men had for the first couple hundred years of Christianity until it became corrupted.

Thank God we are getting back to a Jesus centered understanding of what it means to be a Christian.

We are supposed to be kicking the devil around, not the other way around.  The gates of HELL are not supposed to be able to stand against us.  A gate is a defensive weapon.  So, we are to storm Hell and release those who are captive.

That’s what this old Tiger wants to do.  More important it’s what I already do.

You should see what happens when a person is set free from demonic oppression. Once you see that transformation it has two impacts on you, 1. You get angry that the devil deceives people they way he does and can put them in such bondage and 2. You go looking for trouble, your spiritual radar begins looking for those oppressed of the Devil wanting to be set free.  That’s why I spend so much time in difficult inner city circumstances.  I want to find those who are oppressed of the Devil and help them find release.

That’s what Jesus did. Acts 10:38 (New Living Translation)

38 And you know that God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power. Then Jesus went around doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with him.

Should I do any less?  Should any of us?


the AVATAR
Old Tigers are more dangerous when they believe this could be their last hunt.

From , “The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen”
Old tigers, sensing the end,
they’re at their most fierce. 
And they go down fighting.

Gene on February 11, 2008 at 09:16 pm

OK, Gene, my mistake, I misunderstood you.

I thought you were claiming that demons were afraid of you and your name...instead of being afraid of the authority you weild in Christ. My mistake.

I apologize for calling you arrogant.


Obama/Biden is not change. It’s more of the same.

Kenny on February 11, 2008 at 11:27 pm

yea. i’m pretty much about as atheist as they come. i mean, i was never baptized. i was raised by two scientists who believe in science. if explanations were ever needed, if i ever asked questions, the answers were scientific. what’s more, my parents endorse reductive scientism. they are hostile to disciplines like psychology and sociology… pseudo-sciences.

about as far as i go towards being religious is wondering how to get normativity (good, bad, love, hate, et al.) or teleology (function of purpose explanations) into a causal-mechanic world-view. Spinoza offered an option that is consistent with one sense of ‘God’. I don’t buy into Spinoza’s 1)determinism 2)panlogicism or 3)rationalism, but I am pretty impressed with his metaphysics in general (i.e. his monism and his theory of properties). I have been thinking about two related questions recently. 1) Are all ‘causes’ reducible to, and identical to, their micro-physical constituents, or are there non-reductive (or emergent) causes (such as a belief causing action in us)? (Hume has previously explained that this is pretty much unanswerable, but its fun to wonder.) and 2) What properties (intrinsic or extrinsic) are causally relevant? Why do the relevant properties change with the sort of explanation one seeks (causal, teleological) and are there any objective properties (or merely ones we can perceive/detect and deem to be relevant)?

All this God talk is for people who are afraid of thought-sin. You must recoil Gene, at all the pure saturation of the world with sin nowadays. They teach that we are free and must answer for our choices. They exaggerate about our freedom, get our spirits up, and steal this fiction back from us. Contrarily, it does make people behave and work hard with relatively few side affects (irrationality, pedophilia, hypocrisy, self-hatred, fear of death, sexual repression, psychic repression, intellectual repression, dualist schizophrenias, paranoias, etc.) which seem to be common to all religions, theisms, and atheisms; in greater or lesser amounts.

Well, monotheists seem to have come about at the same time as the others. My particular fav, if I am to pick one of those ‘quaint’ old views, would probably be Empedocles’ air, fire, earth, water, love, and strife schema. Its the coolest, IMO… and easier to believe than all that reanimation, miracle, and sea-parting talk we get from the Christians. I mean, I’ve seen fire, water, air, earth, love, and strife. And so have you. And you discredit this old schema as a brick in the tower of Babel?

I have seen, in Northern Italy, a place where the Christian church was built over the Roman one which, in turn, was built over a pagan one. literally on top of each other. a literal metaphor. See for yourself, in Fiesole.


rasberry

Sparkie Arbuckle on February 13, 2008 at 12:26 am
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