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I object to nutrition and hydration being classified as artifical life support or extraordinary means, even if administered by a tube. If she were on machines and removing her from those machines would cause her death that is a different subject, but dammit food and water are not artifical means of life support.

So, plastic tubes are not artificial on your view?

How come you aren’t pursuing a ‘natural use’ argument in this case?

Being a heroin-overdose-induced vegetable on tube support seems like a prime example of ‘unnatural use’ to me.

Just askin’.

Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

That said, the plasticity of the brain is amazing. If the person is still moderately functional, they can appropriate new neurons for old functions. I just don’t know what the junky has left up there. Is she on breathers? Are her organs deteriorating or is her autonomic control able to maintain them?

Medically preserving loved ones in states of old age or brain dead ness is selfish, disgusting, and unethical. You don’t want to see them go, but they are often suffering.

Think about them. Not yourself.

Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

With your self-hatred and hatred for everyone else in the world, please excuse me if I do not look for any wisdom or decency on your part in such circumstances.

You have a limited intellect, so I will try to make this simple so perhaps you might understand it better. I said that food and water were not artifical life support and whether she is spoon fed or through a tube, both items are by definition artificial.

Of coures, being a liberal killing innocent babies and euthamizing anyone you feel is unworthy of life is natural for you. Strangely, I’ll bet you get damn mad when animals are euthanized!

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

i support end of life rights and i support people’s ability to defer those decisions to their family members.

you have a moral position, and you equivocate. you don’t want the person’s wishes to be granted if the family member wants the veggie dead. shaivo revealed that. but if the dad wants her alive… who cares what the legal status is.

unfortunately, jesus ain’t making the laws. transfer of consent, when done properly, is legal. you have contempt for that. admit it.

Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Your continuing, virulent, deep seated hatred for Jesus is duly noted!

The state has no rightful role to play in the euthanizing of any human being, unless like Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union, as I suspect to be true of you, you would like political enemies (conservatives) and social defectives (Christians) to be killed by the state as well. The state is the enemy of human life, not its friend!

Physicians have no rightful role, you simply cannot place into the hands of people pledged to do no harm the right to kill human beings for the state.

In Schiavo’s case and this one, while I morally object to active euthanasia versus passive euthanasia, the patient (murder victim) left no documents stating under which conditions they might like their life terminated. For Terry Schiavo is it the decision of a husband already having another family and desire to be free of this damnable albatross or parents willing to undertake her care out of love? Of course, you wanted Terry offed, so I know your answer. In Lauren’s case no document, but a father willing to undertake her care at home or a mother that can’t wait to kill her daughter, well silly old me I say the father should be allowed to have her.

You are a liberal and your attitude is why I believe the Democrat Party is the party of death, they hate humanity unless it is green, socialist humanity; and they have killed more than 60 million babies in the past five decades and theirs and your bloodlust not being satisfied, euthansia on any pretext is next on your agenda and since you and your party have already murdered more innocent human beings than Stalin and Hitler put together, we know what our future looks like in your hands.

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

With your self-hatred and hatred for everyone else in the world, please excuse me if I do not look for any wisdom or decency on your part in such circumstances.

Please.

I am a bit confused on your positions Nieman.  You indicate that you support self-defense and capital punishment.  If you think someone deserves to die for killing someone, don’t they deserve to die for overdosing on drugs, and not worshipping the body God gave them if that body has to be kept alive on tax payer dollars and mechanical means?

You don’t support welfare, isn’t this welfare of another sort?  By your loose definitions, it is.

Sparkie: It is now official - you are a complete idiot!

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Once you start down the path of Statism and their concepts of what valid life might be, the descent gets steeper and steeper. 

Where is the bottom, now that the datum plane between what is good and what is bad has been broken?

The T-4 Euthanasia Program

In the fall of 1939 the German government established, under the Reich Chancellery, the Euthanasie Programme under the direction of Philip Bouhler and Dr. Karl Brandt. The headquarters of the operation were at Tiergartenstrasse 4, Berlin and the code name for the program was derived from that address—T-4.

The choice of terminology for the program is consistent with the Nazis’ penchant for euphemism. Euthanasia typically means “mercy killing” and in the 1990’s in the United States and other western nations, it is synonymous with “physician-assisted suicide.” The kind of killing carried out through the T-4 program bears little resemblance to contemporary concepts of euthanasia.

...for great justice

In Schiavo’s case and this one, while I morally object to active euthanasia versus passive euthanasia, the patient (murder victim) left no documents stating under which conditions they might like their life terminated. For Terry Schiavo is it the decision of a husband already having another family and desire to be free of this damnable albatross or parents willing to undertake her care out of love?

Yes it is the decision of the husband who discussed his wife’s wishes with her.  It is the decision of the husband who went to nursing school to care for her.  It is the decision of the husband who lovingly cared for her and made sure she was comfortable and never had any bed sores.  The easy way out for Mr. Schiavo would have been to just walk away, but he didn’t because that is not what his wife wanted.  And in case you didn’t here the results of the autopsy, she had no frontal lobe.  There was no chance of recovery.

Where is the bottom, now that the datum plane between what is good and what is bad has been broken?

Abortion is the bottom.  When the value of an unborn child’s life takes its place in line after the mother’s preference to avoid the responsibilities of motherhood, there is nowhere left to go.  What atrocity recorded in history could possibly be lower than a mother allowing a “doctor” to take her own child’s life?

Oh, but science says its not a life… Hmm, another atrocity justified by modern science.

Yes it is the decision of the husband who discussed his wife’s wishes with her.  It is the decision of the husband who went to nursing school to care for her.  It is the decision of the husband who lovingly cared for her and made sure she was comfortable and never had any bed sores.

While he was living in common law marriage with another woman, having children with her and getting anxious about the insurance settlement. Next, Terry left no documents stating her desire to have her life terminated by the state, thus no one has the right to approve her execution. Where was her trial proving she was guilty of a crime against our society worthy of such execution? Lastly, her parents brought her into this world, loved her still and that parental love is a much greater bond than that of a man that screwed Terry while she was young and healthy and then spent years trying to kill her after she was no longer a good lay!

No matter how you praise Terry’s husband, the state has no right being involved in the murder of an innocent human being in the womb or in even a vegetative state, that is a slippery slope that can only lead to state executions of socially undesireable human beings of all descriptions. Remember Hitler and Stalin ordered what they considered mental defectives forcibly sterilized and/or executed for the good of the state. Hitler also felt Jews (people of faith) were socially undesireable, considering the hatred of Christianity by the Left here, why not execute them?

Once we as a nation said it was acceptable to murder an innocent human being in the womb, we became a culture of death, a nation of state sanctioned murder of the innocent, while liberals cry about executing a murderer or euthanizing a dog or cat! There is no one the state will not be able to kill in the future, on any pretext, because the state is involved in the murder business with your approval.

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

i cant believe this is a debate. a family member wants to care for her.

i actually stumbled onto this site by accident and felt i should respond because i know something of the subject i doubt any of you know.  the person calling her ‘veggie’ aside, i’d like to share something with you. 

denial of food and water isn’t euthanasia, its about the most suffering a human can endure.  its not the food, you die from a lack of water far sooner. 

i used to wrestle in iowa.  i did what they call ‘cut weight’ basically you make yourself weigh as little as possible even though you are naturally bigger.  some do this for an advantage, others cant make the team at their natural weight. 

for lack of better words, the ‘name of the game was to dehydrate yourself for a week till the match.  i was 6 ft tall, i weighed 130 pounds and was skinny.  i was told i needed to get to 105 pounds. i wore plastic suits in our wrestling room that had a temperature of 100 degrees thanks to a special heater during practice.  most of us did actually.  you would take a big drink of water during practice, it was great tasting water.  but then you wouldnt swallow it of course, you’d spit it out into our own spit bucket.  sweat sweat and sweat.  its all about water weight.  you can get rid of it fast.  i’ve lost 18 pounds in 24 hours once. i’ve sat in the hot water pipe tunnels in our schools basement with the plastic suit on to sweat more.  at the end of practice?  you didnt drink anything.  that adds weight. you went home, you’d maybe allow youself 4 ounces of water.  the rest of the night you’d watch a tv you couldnt even focus on and spit into a cup all nite.  my record is 8 ounces.  in the morning, you didnt eat, you didnt drink. for lunch, as little as possible...perhaps a milk box.

if you havent done it, whats amazing is that i really dont remember ever feeling hungry.  but i would sit there and literally fantasize how great it would be if i was that person drinking as much as they wanted from the water fountain without spitting it back out.  i literally wondered what it would be like to be that guy drinking a mountain dew in the hallway. at some point i really didnt remember what is was like to be able to do that.

you cant think, you dont sleep, nothing and i do mean nothing is on your mind for every minute of the day but how soon the weigh in is and what your going to drink immediately after stepping off the scales.  then you went to the hot wrestling room wearing plastics and practiced for a couple of hours.  no water.  none. i would usually lose about 3 pounds per practice...all water weight.

imagine the most painful thing you’ve ever experienced, now multiply it times 100 and make it last a week.

the night before a weigh in i remember my ritual having 6 bottles of various sodas, 3 gatorades and water in the fridge.  at about 4 a.m. i would transfer them to the freezer.  after all, its not like i was sleeping.  i would get them a little slushy.  i checked them constantly, i wondered what it was like to drink one.  one night however i opened the fridge to transfer them and i saw the milk jug.  i had to have a sip.  just a little one.  out of completely involuntary reflex, once i had the sip i proceeded to drink a quart of milk in seconds.  my body didnt want it, it demanded it.  i didnt have control.

then for the first time ever, i made myself vomit and measured the quantity (weight) i was throwing up. 

i remember distinctly thinking at that time that i no longer feared hell whatsoever. 

there was nothing in dante’s wlldest imagination that could possibly describe which cirlce of hell this was.

keep in mind, i did this voluntarily.  i didnt die.  i wanted to win.  no matter how bad that was, i cant even imagine the horrific suffering of someone taken all the way to death from dehydration.  the person in a vegetative state may not be able to express it, but let me assure you, if they could speak, at some point they would beg with all their heart to shoot them instead.

some of you may want to think about this the next time you hear on the news that a person is being ‘allowed’ to die and they have removed the food and water tubes.