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Sunday, January 28, 2007

Emotion and Rationale

It is popular, in partisan arguments, to accuse the other of lacking, mis-using or over-using either emotion or logic in their stance or argument. Often one hears Rush lambasting the left for being emotion driven and lacking the appropriate use of rationale which would lead any sentient being to accept the soundness and supremacy of his stance.
Personally I believe that any stance or opinion on a topic requires both emotion and rationale. I do not necessarily think there is one supreme or objectively correct mix of the two or end result of that mixture; moral position or stance. Humans are almost all sentient beings yet our means of acquiring knowledge, stances, information… is nonsensical. Many are taught, through the manipulation of emotion and rationale, that there is but one objective truth, et al. One can easily see that, with the manipulation of other fears or the exploitation of other lines of rationale, that sentient being may be taught to believe in an entirely different ontology, perceived objective truth, et cetera. Taking these simple things into account can ad a great amount of amusement to observing and partaking in partisan arguments where two or three sides all assert the supremacy of their stance without flinching.
The left is accused of too much emotion which leads them to policies that tax the people in order to take care of the segments of society that suffer more. It is often said, among the right, that those who can manage and even stifle their emotion when considering some questions of politics or policy are able to come up with superior stances. This line becomes very hypocritical when one juxtaposes it with the right’s views on abortion or capital punishment, both of which are extremely emotion-laden stances. The right (who wish to retain the, “we are rational and the left are emotion kooks") my point to religious texts or biological distinctions which ground the rationale behind their stance. Here though, the connection to the text is a predominantly emotional one and any ‘line drawing’ with respect to when something is a person and when something isn’t a person is arbitrary. Even if the ‘line drawing’ wasn’t arbitrary and there was a clear distinction, the left (who here I will assume to be pro-choice) must stifle some emotion about the baby in order to give the mother’s autonomy of choice primacy. Indeed the right often accuses them of being ‘baby killers’ and the like, a blatantly emotional accusation.
In short I am tired of seeing the left and the right accuse each other of being ‘emotional’ or ‘cold’ and ‘rational’ or ‘nuts’. In fact, I think both are true of both party’s policies and stances. Any worthwhile cognition must balance these two, and not necessarily in a certain manner or in certain proportions on various issues. Furthermore, no contentious issue has one correct answer. In an objective world (assuming you believe of such a world (as a result of emotion about perfectness and the rationale that something like this could potentially exist)) they might, but we live in a democracy where the loud din of argument is what we fight to protect. Sadly or not, as a result, each issue is fed to the dogs by the MSM and there are 10 or so incorrect positions, all in disbelief at the others’ stupidity and well… its all kinda funny I think.
Even funnier, to me, is the fact that one can arrive at truth through 100% bullshit. Consider the man traveling to A. He comes to an unmarked fork in the road and asks the farmer nearby which road will take him to A. The farmer informs him to go left, which he does, and he does not arrive at A. Now, through bullshit, the traveler knows the other fork in the road would have lead to A. What becomes really funny is when the traveler continues to travel down the wrong road or returns to the fork and takes the road to the left again. When that type of idiocy occurs, clearly there are emotional-rationale problems occurring. Often times though, there is undue griping and hypocrisy on both sides of the isle from emotional and irrational chauvinists (not in the sex discrimination sense).

Comments

Avatar for Joost Koenig

If this is the place to comment on Kerry’s blunders, here is my opnion: When one(American citizen) is outside the USA, “one” MUST not offend the USA and make remarks like Kery made. In my opinion he betrayed the USA and should be kicked out of the Senate for his anti American statements. There is a limit how far some one can go tearing the USA down, and Kerry has gone to far.

Joost Koenig on January 28, 2007 at 10:16 am

Sparkie, thanks for telling us how you emotionally feel.  Now on to other more important issues.


You don’t have to be a moron to be a liberal Democrat but it sure helps.

docdave on January 28, 2007 at 11:37 am

Emotions are, by definition, non-rational.  If you want the truth, it is not found in emotion.


Save America; boycott the MSM.

robert108 on January 28, 2007 at 01:22 pm

I think you need emotion or you wouldn’t give an eff about knowing the truth. It wouldn’t be found…


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on January 28, 2007 at 02:38 pm

Once the truth is known(by rationality), then emotion comes into play in defending and supporting it.  Emotions can’t be depended upon to find the truth in the first place, since they are about individual survival.  Maybe you don’t know the difference between intuition and emotion.


Save America; boycott the MSM.

robert108 on January 28, 2007 at 02:44 pm
Avatar for HG

Sparkie,

Bottom line, humanity is the final arbiter of truth according to you.  There is no objective truth, no transcendent wisdom, no absolute morality, only that reality humanity creates and accepts.

In your world-view right and wrong are what reason and emotion come together to say it is such.  That is the reality you have chosen based upon your own experience, observation, and reason.

Others of us observe the absolutes, the transcendent, the objective.  These reinforce our instincts which tell us there is something much greater than humanity.  These give certainty to our understanding of justice, love, peace, and the hereafter.  And for those who have found it, faith provides the evidence that this hope is real.

HG on January 28, 2007 at 03:24 pm
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By the way Sparkie, even thought I disagree with you, very well said.

HG on January 28, 2007 at 03:25 pm

humanity is the final arbiter of truth according to you. 

HG, I believe thst is called relativism.

Relativism is not a single doctrine but a family of views whose common theme is that some central aspect of experience, thought, evaluation, or even reality is somehow relative to something else. For example standards of justification, moral principles or truth are sometimes said to be relative to language, culture, or biological makeup. Although relativistic lines of thought often lead to very implausible conclusions, there is something seductive about them, and they have captivated a wide range of thinkers from a wide range of traditions.


You don’t have to be a moron to be a liberal Democrat but it sure helps.

docdave on January 28, 2007 at 04:01 pm
Avatar for HG

DD, you are correct. BTW what source provided the definition?

HG on January 28, 2007 at 04:16 pm

HG, check my last post again as I did leave a link.  However, a google searcn on ‘relativism’ will get you plenty of definitions.


You don’t have to be a moron to be a liberal Democrat but it sure helps.

docdave on January 28, 2007 at 06:03 pm

some central aspect of experience, thought, evaluation, or even reality is somehow relative to something else

if all your views are not relative, then can you say they bear and better or worse relation to my views? why bother to have the views? they gain their goodness and appeal in contrast with the bad, worse, whatever. those who have never sinned don’t necc know why not to. those who have know its not desirable. hence the relativism is needed for one to be better, prime… even objective. what qualities give it its objectiveness? merely a human stating it as such? in reality yes. some think there is more. maybe some claim to have experienced it. wow.


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on January 28, 2007 at 06:05 pm
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