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This is something I could get behind.

I disagree with you on the economy (I think we’re in boom times), but obviously a good way to keep North Dakotans in the state and attract businesses is to allow North Dakotans to keep more of their paychecks so that they can either a) save it or b) spend it in our economy.

And $700/year per family is a lot of money.  That’s a small family vacation or a new computer.  Significant indeed.

Are you sure you’re a liberal?  Because supporting growth strategies by shrinking government and lowering tax burdens is what being a conservative is all about.  You keep advocating for tax cuts like this and the donkeys are going to kick you out of the party.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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Rob,

You want to know the original reason that I became a Democrat?  It was because Ronald Reagan did not or could not take responsibility for Iran-Contra.

It was because Ronald Reagan did not or could not take responsibility for Iran-Contra.

Well, I was in elementary school when Iran Contra went down so I don’t know much about that, but I’ve always considered myself a conservative rather than a Republican.

I can’t be a Democrat because they don’t even pay lip service to fiscal restraint and small government, and they’re flat-out dangerous when it comes to national security.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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I can’t be either liberal or conservative.  I want government out of every facet of life that it can be taken out of.  However, I believe that the government has a duty to help destitute citizens.  I believe in the death penalty, but I also support abortion rights.  So, all that I can go on is either Democrat, Republican, or Independant.  Independant ain’t going to do anything in my lifetime.  So it’s the lesser of two evils for me.  I view that as the Democrats because I don’t get garbage about my views as much.

I want government out of every facet of life that it can be taken out of.  However, I believe that the government has a duty to help destitute citizens.

Total contradiction; you can’t have it both ways.  In order to do the social engineering you propose, the govt has to confiscate our earnings, and coerce us into doing things.  Like I said, you can’t have it both ways.

Leftie political philosophy, from a DU commenter:

It doesn’t matter if it’s true or not. RUMOR IS TRUTH. The modern laws of media hype and political warfare have a useful tenet: Repeat ANYTHING or raise false concern over ANYTHING and it is likely to be planted in the conscious/subconscious of many voters.

"Iran-Contra” was a heroic act by the minority Republicans and Oliver North to aid the anti-Communist Contras against the commie Sandinistas, against the wishes of the Dems in Congress.  The press lied to us yet again.

Leftie political philosophy, from a DU commenter:

It doesn’t matter if it’s true or not. RUMOR IS TRUTH. The modern laws of media hype and political warfare have a useful tenet: Repeat ANYTHING or raise false concern over ANYTHING and it is likely to be planted in the conscious/subconscious of many voters.

“Iran-Contra” was a heroic act by the minority Republicans and Oliver North to aid the anti-Communist Contras against the commie Sandinistas, against the wishes of the Dems in Congress.  The press lied to us yet again.--Robert108

The Sandinistas had already successfully rebelled against the oppressive Somoza government, so were already in power, but some Republicans couldn’t accept Nicaragua having self-determination.

The CIA trained the Contra’s (Counter-revolutionaries) to attack “soft targets” (civilians, including women and children) to undermine the government.

It means in Nicaragua, for example, the Contras going into a town, shooting it up, killing people, taking a fourteen-year- old girl, raping her, slitting her throat, cutting her head off and putting it on a pole to intimidate the rest of the population.  To pick one example.  That one from an American priest who has been working there for many years.  One example from a list a mile long compiled by human rights organizations, barely noted here and quickly forgotten.--Noam Chomsky

(His daughter was over there as an aid worker also.)

To finance this massacre, the CIA sold weapons to Iran and channelled the money to the Contras. The World Court, in June 1986, condemned the United States for its “unlawful use of force” against Nicaragua. But Robert108 is probably right, murdering civilians to undermine a popular government is probably “heroic”. The Nicaraguan govt. lost the following elections though. People voted for a change to try to end the violence.

Sorry for being off-topic, but what Robert108 said was so wrong it had to be corrected. Advocating this sort of behaviour and calling the Democrats morally deficient cheeses me off a little. Robert108’s comment is basically equivalent to holocaust denial.

Total contradiction; you can’t have it both ways.  In order to do the social engineering you propose, the govt has to confiscate our earnings, and coerce us into doing things.  Like I said, you can’t have it both ways.

ya know 108, I love having you argue with everything I say.  I get laughs each time I read what you write.  How is it a total contradiction?  You don’t know the facets of life that I want government out of.

Oh by the way, what the Republicans did with Iran-contra was against U.S. Law.  I thought that Republicans are the “Law and Order” party.

AV, you are right on the money in the Iran-Contra affair.  Don’t apologize and when the people cheeze you off, just make your point and let it roll off your back.  Sometimes, even the truth can’t make a difference.

ya know 108, I love having you argue with everything I say.  I get laughs each time I read what you write.  How is it a total contradiction?  You don’t know the facets of life that I want government out of.

Thanks for sharing your feelings, but they are of no concern to me.  It’s only your ideas that matter.  I don’t care which facets of life you want govt out of, or into; what I said still applies.  Your desires for that probably aren’t mine, so what?

Oh by the way, what the Republicans did with Iran-contra was against U.S. Law.  I thought that Republicans are the “Law and Order” party.

They were against Congressional rules, because the Dem minority favored the commie Sandinistas.

AV, you are right on the money in the Iran-Contra affair.  Don’t apologize and when the people cheeze you off, just make your point and let it roll off your back.  Sometimes, even the truth can’t make a difference.

The truth is, you bought the media line, which is lies.  It was the Sandinistas who, far from being a “popular govt” acted in much the same way as Hitler’s bully boys to fix their own bogus “elections”, and the Dems in Congress bought it, hook, line and sinker.  The commie Sandinistas were killing the civilians, but if you want to kiss commie ass, far be it from me to try to tell you otherwise.
Thank God for Ollie North.

Leftie political philosophy, from a DU commenter:

It doesn’t matter if it’s true or not. RUMOR IS TRUTH. The modern laws of media hype and political warfare have a useful tenet: Repeat ANYTHING or raise false concern over ANYTHING and it is likely to be planted in the conscious/subconscious of many voters.

AV: BTW, the Iran-Contra media lie campaign was the predecessor to the “Israel is the real terrorist” lie coming from the ME, and especially from Hez, complete with the phony pictures and the MSM dutifully reporting the terrorist line, just like they dutifully reported the Sandinista line then.  The Dem playbook only has a few plays in it, and they just do them over and over again.  Watch “Dr Strangelove” sometime.

Leftie political philosophy, from a DU commenter:

It doesn’t matter if it’s true or not. RUMOR IS TRUTH. The modern laws of media hype and political warfare have a useful tenet: Repeat ANYTHING or raise false concern over ANYTHING and it is likely to be planted in the conscious/subconscious of many voters.

I never did understand so-called ‘liberals’ supporting totatlitarian communist regimes, such as the Sandinistas.

I guess suppressing all freedom of speech, having no elections, imprisoning political enemies, destroying the economy and cults of personality are just A OK with people like bak72 and AV.

You guys aren’t liberals, you are aren’t worthy of the name. You guys are apologists for one of the worst regimes of all time in the western hemisphere, congratulations.

Good idea Bak72!

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

ya know 108, I love having you argue with everything I say.  I get laughs each time I read what you write.  How is it a total contradiction?  You don’t know the facets of life that I want government out of.

Actually, I think programs to help Americans who truly cannot help themselves (the mentally handicapped, permanently disabled, etc.) is just fine and dandy.  Where I draw the line is helping people just because they’re poor.

I’m not in favor of helping someone who is poor because they abuse drugs or alcohol, or just don’t have any ambition.  That’s an inappropriate expenditure of my tax dollars.

I say we help those who can’t help themselves, and put everyone else on notice.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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It’s my belief that the programs to “help the (unneedy shall we call it) poor” actually hurts them in the long run.  They wind up dependent on the programs rather than being learning to be dependent on themselves. 

Still if a person doens’t have food on their table (even if it’s their fault) that’s a problem.  That’s why I’m active in charities that fill in when the food stamp programs run out.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

I never did understand so-called ‘liberals’ supporting totatlitarian communist regimes, such as the Sandinistas.

I guess suppressing all freedom of speech, having no elections, imprisoning political enemies, destroying the economy and cults of personality are just A OK with people like bak72 and AV.

Why oh why do I even attempt to make points here?  Please tell me where I said that I supported the Sandinistas.  If you are accusing me of wanting a dictatorship anywhere in the world, you are way off base.  That’s why I enlisted in the Army and now receiving disability for injuries incurred while on active duty.  I face two total knee replacement surgeries in the future because I supported totalitarian communist regimes?  Ken, before you accuse me of being communist or supporting communist regimes, get to know me.  I’m sure you would change your tune.

Docdave: Is that a Republican trick to claim I said things I didn’t? Or is it because your reading comprehension is at a 6 year olds level (like dubyas)?

I never said ‘sandistas were the nice guys’. Their soldiers also committed crimes against (believed) supporters of the Contras too. But that doesn’t excuse raping and killing fourteen year old girls. It doesn’t excuse illegally selling weapons to Iran and channelling the money to a terrorist organisation. That doesn’t excuse ignoring the World Court condemnation of the illegal use of force.

Also, North Dakota’s state tax-rates are quite low. Some other states use (higher) sales taxes which are on pretty much everything and can be a hassle too.

Or is it because your reading comprehension is at a 6 year olds level (like dubyas)?

Only a bitter fool would say such a thing.

Also, North Dakota’s state tax-rates are quite low. Some other states use (higher) sales taxes which are on pretty much everything and can be a hassle too.

We’re the 19th taxed state.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

It shouldn’t matter if we are the 19th taxed state or the 50th.  If we want a somewhat fairer tax system in the state of North Dakota, the state income tax must be abolished.

As for North Dakota being in boom times, maybe in most parts of the state, but not here in Jamestown.  We continue to get taxed more and more by our local government.  They reduced our mills for taxes from 111 to 109.4 and then added a 4% valuation increase to all property here because they determined that they had been assessing the property too low.

bak72.  The local tax takers here in Grand Forks are out of control too.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.