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So this is more of that self-hatred, right?  “We’re really the ones who created the terrorists?” “We create more terrorists by fighting the terrorists?”

Complete and utter baloney.  Who would al Qaeda rather have in office?  Probably not the guy who supports having boots on the ground in the middle east to fight the Islamic extremists where they live.

The simple truth is that the middle east is the petri dish in which the most noxious strains of Islam fester.  If leave the petri dish alone, we risk that strain spreading here.

I know leftists feel that we can solve everything with more diplomacy and stuff, but we live in the real world not some utopia thought up by people who wish things were otherwise.

Honestly, this line of thinking is insulting.  You act as though we who support the war in Iraq want war for war’s sake.  That couldn’t be further from the truth.  I don’t want my country to have to be at war with the terrorists in the middle east, but I’m at lease capable of recognizing that it’s necessary.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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Mike, you’re joking right? This is “almost exactly what I think.” What pray tell do you diagree with?

I ask because I find nothing I do agree with.

sitting snug in their Pakistan safe haven

Snug? In a cave, on the run, a $50M bounty on you head. Snug?

Either way we have a wrecked army, no credibility and just the kind of chaos in Iraq that bin Laden couldn’t dream of accomplishing without our help.

PLEASE Mike, Just what the hell do you agree with?

“To love is not to stare steadfast at one another...it is to look forward, in the same direction.”
Saint-Exupéry

Mike: Thanks for another example of how disconnected lefties are from the real world, due to be caught up in your propaganda-induced haze.

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

Mike, you mistake resolve for fear.

That’s a common problem with you spineless liberals. To fight back and defeat the enemy is “fearful”.

In a war, your kind is usually the first to go. Either that, or you’re complicit in evil because you’re too afraid to fight it.

Mike, instead of making your erroneous “obvious” assumptions, why don’t you acquaint yourself with reality. When Democrats win, al Qaeda wins.

It’s hard to deny that Republicans and radical Islamists have a symbiotic relationship that bin Laden would sorely miss.

Truer words were never spoken, Mike. Bush is the best recruiter al Qaeda ever had.

Bin Ladin couldn’t be happier---we’ve taken our eye off the ball in Afghanistan, let the Taliban retake huge swaths of territory, left him alone in Pakistan, and started a colonial war against people who did NOT attack us on 9/11.

Every night, Bin Laden gives thanks to Allah for George W. Bush.

Every night, Bin Laden gives thanks to Allah for George W. Bush.

Right.  He does this from the hole in the ground he’s been hiding in since 2002.  He’d do it outside, but he can’t poke his head out lest he be seen and promptly vaporized.

You are so right, Jack.  Osama loves Bush!

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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It’s hard to deny that Republicans and radical Islamists have a symbiotic relationship that bin Laden would sorely miss.

Truer words were never spoken,

Yes, but never in such a meaningless jumble before! Unless you want to redefine the words: “Republican”, “Islamist” and “symbiotic”.

Have you no clue as to what the word “symbiotic” means, Jack? Or does ”hunt them down and kill them” translate into “symbiosis” on your planet?

A troll is someone who only wants to stir up trouble, not have an honest debate.  Some signs that a poster is a troll:
* Dodges questions from other posters * Refuses to give sources
* When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts.  Heh. (From the LGF faq)

He does this from the hole in the ground he’s been hiding in since 2002.

Hiding successfully, proof. He’s still alive, global terrorism is up, and Bush let him get away.

Actually it was me which said this, Jack:

Hiding successfully, proof. He’s still alive, global terrorism is up, and Bush let him get away.

And here is where I devastate your argument:

1.  He’s alive but neutralized.  He’s little more than a team mascot right now.

2.  Saying that Bush “let” him get away supposes that Bush wanted him to get away.  If you believe this, you’re stupid.

3.  Global terrorism is up...in the middle east.  It’s down everywhere else, meaning that we’ve succeeded in pushing the terrorists back to the region from whence they sprang.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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Rob:

Sorry I got you and proof mixed up. I should have noticed that you didn’t use sixteen italics and boldface tags in that sentence.

He’s alive but neutralized

Sez you (or rather, sez Rush and you believe it). I still want his head on a stick. I still want the people who planned and carried out the 9/11 attacks brought to justice. Conservatives apparently don’t.

Saying that Bush “let” him get away supposes that Bush wanted him to get away.

Bush has failed to capture the 9/11 assassins. That is an undeniable fact. That’s what it means to let someone get away. Splitting hairs over what Bush does or does not want is a game for conservatives. Liberals expect RESULTS, and we’re not going to get results from Bush.

I still want his head on a stick.

The war on global terrorism is much bigger than your overheated revenge fantasies.  It’s a good thing you aren’t in charge of our military.  Military strategy isn’t based on revenge.

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

Sorry I got you and proof mixed up. I should have noticed that you didn’t use sixteen italics and boldface tags in that sentence.

Oh, I’m wounded by Jack’s biting wit!
(His wit just bites!)

A troll is someone who only wants to stir up trouble, not have an honest debate.  Some signs that a poster is a troll:
* Dodges questions from other posters * Refuses to give sources
* When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts.  Heh. (From the LGF faq)

It’s a good thing you aren’t in charge of our military.

I feel the same way about you, bob.

Liberals expect RESULTS, and we’re not going to get results from Bush.

Laughing so hard I can’t see my keyboard.

God. “Liberals expect results.” I suppose “Jack” you could please provide us a small example of this.

By results do you mean “Quick! Run!! They’re coming to get us. RUN”

“To love is not to stare steadfast at one another...it is to look forward, in the same direction.”
Saint-Exupéry

ldS

What pray tell do you diagree with?

This claim is over the top

Every Bush initiative I can think of has turned out no better than if we’d assigned the same job to six or seven functionally retarded chimpanzees.

I can’t find anything else...it was actually better on my rereading. I know you don’t agree because it’s just so contrary to what you believe...time will tell who’s right.

Rob

You act as though we who support the war in Iraq want war for war’s sake.

That’s not my complaint as you well know. Iraq has distracted attention away from those who wish us harm and use terror as an instrument to disrupt our way of life.

He does this from the hole in the ground he’s been hiding in since 2002.  He’d do it outside, but he can’t poke his head out lest he be seen and promptly vaporized.

I’m sorry but how do you know where OBL is and what his conditions are like? I assume he’s quite comfortable but I certainly don’t have the same asurance that you display.

lik

Mike, you mistake resolve for fear.

You mistake armed force in Iraq for effective action against the terrorists. We’ve argued this to death so I won’t belabour it.

No passion so effectually robs the mind of all its powers of acting and reasoning as fear
*Edmund Burke*

God. “Liberals expect results.” I suppose “Jack” you could please provide us a small example of this.

Civil Rights.
Sufferage.
Rural electrification.
Weekends.
National Parks.
FDIC.
Libraries.

The only “results” you lefties want is to micromanage the lives of free Americans, confiscate our money and give it to your favored groups.
The Dems fought Civil Rights, and it was passed due to Republican support.
Weekends?
Teddy Roosevelt(A Republican) initiated the National Park System.
Libraries predate the United States.

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

I know you don’t agree because it’s just so contrary to what you believe…

I don’t agree because it’s not true.  You mistake your ideological beliefs for knowledge.

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

bob:

The CONSERVATIVE Dems fought Civil Rights, and it was passed due to LIBERAL Republican support.

Civil Rights.
Sufferage.
Rural electrification.
Weekends.
National Parks.
FDIC.
Librarie

Notice the most important of all government responsibilities, national security, is absent.

God. “Liberals expect results.” I suppose “Jack” you could please provide us a small example of this.

FDA.
Clean Water.
Clean Air.
Veterans Benefits.
Space Exploration.
Whistleblower Protection.

r108

I don’t agree because it’s not true.  You mistake your ideological beliefs for knowledge.

With all due respect r108, I said what I said to ldS because I find him capable of understanding the difference between verifiable and universally true fact and opinion based on one’s perception of the world and the influence that ideology plays on that perception. You do not show such capability and so were that comment directed at you, I would have worded it differently.

No passion so effectually robs the mind of all its powers of acting and reasoning as fear
*Edmund Burke*

If nothing else, liberals provide us with some great humor. If you guys ever go on strike, It’ll be a somber event.

I assume he’s quite comfortable

Proof, with his spectacular one-liners would be hard pressed to beat that!

Jack, you really have your finger on the pulse of the world.

“Libraries” You left out: the color brown, the dictionary, pink underware, How to Cowar in the Face of Danger, staples, dog-poop-scoopers...your accomplishments are legendary!

“To love is not to stare steadfast at one another...it is to look forward, in the same direction.”
Saint-Exupéry

You do not show such capability…

Once again, your ability to perceive the truth is limited by your ideologically-based beliefs.

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

The CONSERVATIVE Dems fought Civil Rights, and it was passed due to LIBERAL Republican support.

Wrong, as usual, “Jack”.  Racism and segregation were part of the Dem Party platform since its founding.  You continue to recycle the same old leftie lies.
It is true that Republicans are classical liberals, in the old sense, since we favor individual freedom.  You lefties are really fascists, with your all-powerful central govt and confiscation of private property through taxation and the courts.

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

“Liberals expect results.”

A troll is someone who only wants to stir up trouble, not have an honest debate.  Some signs that a poster is a troll:
* Dodges questions from other posters * Refuses to give sources
* When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts.  Heh. (From the LGF faq)

Notice how the angry lefties have, once again, changed the subject away from jihadists supporting the Dems in the upcoming election.  Maybe they’re uncomfortable with that inconvenient truth.

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

In every municipality that passed concealed carry laws for handguns, liberals expected results: Dodge City! Shootouts in the streets! The actual results were reductions in violent crime across the board.

Unfortunately for liberals, the results they expect are seldom the results they see!

A troll is someone who only wants to stir up trouble, not have an honest debate.  Some signs that a poster is a troll:
* Dodges questions from other posters * Refuses to give sources
* When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts.  Heh. (From the LGF faq)

I’m sure lefties “expected results” from the so-called “War on Poverty”, as well; trillions of our dollars later, still no results.

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

I’m sure lefties “expected results” from the so-called “War on Poverty”, as well; trillions of our dollars later, still no results.

Well, higher illegitimacy rates was a result, but, again, not the result they supposedly were looking for.

A troll is someone who only wants to stir up trouble, not have an honest debate.  Some signs that a poster is a troll:
* Dodges questions from other posters * Refuses to give sources
* When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts.  Heh. (From the LGF faq)

Mike,

I find your comment to R108 elusive and distasteful. What makes you think he cannot tell the difference between fact and opinon.

It is this “Tim F.” you seem to admire so much who has trouble with the distinction. What facts are there to support “unresticted police power and rigged trials.” If you have some knowledge of this occuring, please let us know.

It is “Tims” opinion that we “ manhandle civilians badly enough to inflame the muslim world.” And you concur with this rubbish?  Did you forget the riots that ensued when Danish cartoonist had the audacity to characterize their spirtual leader, while at the same time the Islamists are stoning christians for the mere practice of their faith.

“Tim” opines that the terrorist don’t hate America for their freedom, but because we support Israel and the Sauds. Of course he conviently left out the Billons in aid to Indonesia, Malasia and the Palestinians. All muslim countries. Yet you agree with him here.

May I suggest that it is you, not R108, who has trouble in refining fact to obtain opinon. That you are colored because of your ideology into thinking there is any basis behind the mindless scribble of this author.

“To love is not to stare steadfast at one another...it is to look forward, in the same direction.”
Saint-Exupéry

Sally: Thanks.  Mike has a habit of being dismissive of me; it’s his defense mechanism, I guess.

Proof: I didn’t mention any of the multiple “bad” results, only the lack of the intended results of that particular one of many failed govt “programs”.

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

ldS

I find your comment to R108 elusive and distasteful.

It was...we have a bit of a history and he knows exactly what button to push.

It is “Tims” opinion that we “ manhandle civilians badly enough to inflame the muslim world.” And you concur with this rubbish?

Is it American policy? Of course not but has it happened? It has on occasion and America’s image has suffered as a result.

Did you forget the riots that ensued when Danish cartoonist had the audacity to characterize their spirtual leader, while at the same time the Islamists are stoning christians for the mere practice of their faith.

I don’t approve of the riots and I favour freedom of religion.

“Tim” opines that the terrorist don’t hate America for their freedom, but because we support Israel and the Sauds.

The terrorists hate any way of life that does not accord with their own vision. They strike at America because it represents to them the “decadence” and disbelief in what they hold sacred and because America supports an Arab society that they abhor.

May I suggest that it is you, not R108, who has trouble in refining fact to obtain opinon.

I don’t accuse r108 of having trouble refining fact to obtain opinion. FWIW I accuse r108 of substituting his opinion for fact. To r108, “lefties lie. It’s all they have.” is not an opinion but a fact for example.

I share Tim F’s opinion that the Bush Administration’s Middle East policy has worked in favour of the terrorists rather than against it. I don’t think that Americans are devils, I don’t think Bush is the devil, I think that the terrorists are wrong and their acts constitute evil. I don’t think that the jihadists can count on majority support in the Middle East but at the same time I don’t think that the majority in the Middle East welcome western invasions of its territory. I think that most Arabs dislike their governments and are suspicious of the West for supporting them.

These are all opinions based on facts I’ve observed. You can disagree with my opinions based on facts you’ve observed and so what it comes down to is the relative importance we place on different facts. Some facts are clear and indisputable while others are not and some facts aren’t facts at all. Where the ideological prism really comes into play is when we determine what facts to use as support for our opinions.

I appreciate your comments.

No passion so effectually robs the mind of all its powers of acting and reasoning as fear
*Edmund Burke*

r108...I apologise for my intemperate remarks to you.

No passion so effectually robs the mind of all its powers of acting and reasoning as fear
*Edmund Burke*

Mike? What a load of shit.

Una Salus Victus Nullam Sperare Salutem

Not fucking leftard shit though so I’m doing something right.

No passion so effectually robs the mind of all its powers of acting and reasoning as fear
*Edmund Burke*

r108...I apologise for my intemperate remarks to you.

Thank, Mike.  There is always plenty to discuss on the factual/logical level, I find.

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

That should be: “Thanks...”

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

Mike: I also apologize for the generalization “Lefties lie; it’s all they have.” I should refine that, I guess.  I have explained it before, but one more time won’t hurt.  I don’t mean that all lefties lie all the time, or I would say that.  The most common lie is that they disguise what they really want, which is a Marxist “dictatorship of the proletariat"(for our own good, of course), but they clothe it in some smarmy rhetoric about “the common good”, or “removing poverty and unhappiness” or similar crap.  Not all lefties are so covert.  Anarchist Vegetarian, for example, is pretty straightforward about his desire to confiscate all our private property and private capital(for our own good, of course), even though he repeats Marxist lies about the reason for doing that.  Hillary and Obama want a fascist takeover of business through taxation and regulation, but use rhetoric of “fairness” and “greed” to cover their real motives.  In addition, “change”, when they preach it, means changing the entire structure of our economy to a managed one, but they don’t quite get around to mentioning that little detail.
For the record, I don’t consider you a lying leftie, Mike.  A little testy, perhaps.

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.