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A balky witness can be kept in jail until the grand jury expires and then two subsequent grand juries.
usually about 18 months each.

he is doing the right thing by not testifying against his brother Marine

Unless he is not.

An affidavit from the Naval Criminal Investigative Service provides three eyewitness accounts of what happened next:

Inside the house, the squad finds several adult males, each unarmed. A search of the rooms turns up AK-47 rifles with ammunition. Nazario then radios an unidentified Marine to report the capture of the prisoners. After a brief exchange, Nazario turns to his squad mates. He tells them that the voice on the other end has asked: “Are they dead yet?” To which Nazario responded, “Negative.” Then, Nazario reports, the radioed voice gave him an order: “Make it happen.”

“You know what has to be done,” Nazario tells his men.

According to the affidavit, this is when the killing begins. Nazario leads one prisoner to a separate room, believed to be a kitchen. Two gunshots ring out. Two witnesses, both active-duty U.S. Marines whose names have been redacted from the affidavit, enter the room. Nazario stands over the prisoner, who is splayed flat on his back, a pool of blood circling his head. Nazario leaves the room and asks, “Who else wants to kill these guys? Because I don’t want to do it all myself.”

Nazario, according to one witness, then orders two members of his squad to each kill a prisoner. Nazario raises his rifle to the head of a second prisoner and pulls the trigger. Blood and brain matter splatter over the muzzle of Nazario’s rifle and onto his boots. An unidentified squad member points his pistol at one of the remaining prisoners and fires. One prisoner remains.

“Yo, are you done yet? We have to go,” Nazario tells another squad member, whose name is withheld. That Marine, according to the affidavit, shoots the last prisoner in the back of the head.

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

Lefties hate an honorable American.  Typical.

Leftie political philosophy, from a DU commenter:

It doesn’t matter if it’s true or not. RUMOR IS TRUTH. The modern laws of media hype and political warfare have a useful tenet: Repeat ANYTHING or raise false concern over ANYTHING and it is likely to be planted in the conscious/subconscious of many voters.

Nelson and Nazario have been charged with killing unarmed prisoners during the battle in Fallouja rather than take time to process them according to Geneva Convention rules.

Non-uniformed combatants(terrorists) have no Geneva Convention rights.  They are not covered by any “Geneva Convention rules”.

Leftie political philosophy, from a DU commenter:

It doesn’t matter if it’s true or not. RUMOR IS TRUTH. The modern laws of media hype and political warfare have a useful tenet: Repeat ANYTHING or raise false concern over ANYTHING and it is likely to be planted in the conscious/subconscious of many voters.

Now, r108! rbb managed to put four original words along with his cut and paste! One of them was even more than one syllable! We must accept progress from the “progressives” when we can find it!

For any voter trying to choose between the two candidates for commander in chief, there is no better test than this: When American strategy in a critical theater was up for grabs, John McCain proposed a highly unpopular and risky path, which he accurately predicted could lead to success. Barack Obama proposed a popular and politically safe route that would have led to an unnecessary and debilitating American defeat at the hands of al Qaeda.

Frederick W. Kagan

Robert108: RBB is one of those people wholly, completely incapable of understanding the concept of covering your buddies back, of duty, honor, country and anything to do with the code of honor within the Corps or in any fighting force! He does not understand that other Marines were in trouble and that Sgt. Jose Luis Nazario first duty was to protect those Marines, he did his duty, Sgt Nelson will not testify against Nazario because Nazario saved his life on numerous occasions in Iraq and he was engaged in getting to the side of other Marines for the same purpose.

I don’t judge RBB, these are concepts that are totally alien to anyone that has not had to risk is life and freedom for another man fighting by his side.

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Let me get this straight. These Jarheads smoked a bunch of terrorists? Where is the crime? Brigands/Bandits have no rights, and are afforded no protections under any of the Geneva Accords. Period. Full stop. This leftarded, America hating scumbag judge thinks offering immunity is some sort of “magic bullet” that gives him the ability to force people to do whatever he wants. Wrong.

Una Salus Victus Nullam Sperare Salutem

2hotel9:  “Where is the crime?”

Ha! According to the Cindy Sheehan liberal model, American soldiers are never permitted to question, detain, fire at, or kill anyone.

But it is OK for an ‘insurgent’ to maim, torture or kill an American boy. After all, according to Huffington, DailyKos, Move On, we are the bad guys and we deserve it!

Come on, man, get with it!!  This is 2008!!

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

“As a conservative, I will not be overly enthusiastic about voting for John McCain on November 4 - but I will be sprinting to the polling place to do so!”
Matthew May, conservative commentator, The American Spectator

Sometimes men of honor stand by their principles: G. Gordon Liddy went to prison after he refused to testify against Nixon. His attitude was, do what you gotta do, I ain’t talkin’.

Lt. Colonel Oliver North never told what he knew about Reagan’s involvement with Iran-Contra.

This guy will face prison if he doesn’t testify. It will be interesting to see if he sticks to his guns.

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This is not honorable. 

If they did nothing wrong than what harm is there in telling the truth?

Lt. Colonel Oliver North never told what he knew about Reagan’s involvement with Iran-Contra.

You incorrectly assume that there was something to know, or that there was any involvement.

Leftie political philosophy, from a DU commenter:

It doesn’t matter if it’s true or not. RUMOR IS TRUTH. The modern laws of media hype and political warfare have a useful tenet: Repeat ANYTHING or raise false concern over ANYTHING and it is likely to be planted in the conscious/subconscious of many voters.

Lestat: In our politically correct world there is no longer a line between right and wrong in war, it depends on the time of day and the mood of the prosecutors. So, better keep your mouth shut than give them ammunition to falsely usee against you or a fellow soldier.

Next, the accused saved this guys life twice, do you understand what that means? You just don’t help people screw over a man like that, you stand by him no matter what, even if you think he might have done wrong on this one occasion, you don’t stab him in the back! You stick with this guy no matter the costs, because you wouldn’t be alive to do anything if this guy had not risked his own life for you.

Loyalty counts for something among real men! Yes, if the accused committed cold-blooded murder and you were a witness, it demands you tell the truth. But, you don’t stab a man in the back that is closer than a brother, because of some politically correct, liberal policies back home.

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

If he does not testify truthfully, he is a coward.

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

...you stand by him no matter what, even if you think he might have done wrong on this one occasion…

Please tell me what #6 and #9 mean to you Neiman.

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

Loyalty counts for something among real men!

Something a coward like rbb will never understand.

Leftie political philosophy, from a DU commenter:

It doesn’t matter if it’s true or not. RUMOR IS TRUTH. The modern laws of media hype and political warfare have a useful tenet: Repeat ANYTHING or raise false concern over ANYTHING and it is likely to be planted in the conscious/subconscious of many voters.

War is hell, and sometimes people make decisions in the heat of battle that they wouldn’t condone under normal conditions.  And just because there are two supposed witnesses who saw the events transpire, doesn’t mean that it happened the way described in the affidavit. 

I hope that RBB is never judged as harshly and without due process as he does others, even though he is doing so only for political gain.

P, p, p, I am encouraging due processes.
Sgt. Jermaine A. Nelson is thwarting due process.

If anyone refuses to testify, the obvious question is what is he hiding.

Can you imagine a scenario where Sgt. Jose Luis Nazario is innocent and Nelson refused to testify?

Who were you rooting for when the actor asked “You want the truth?”

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

If he does not testify truthfully, he is a coward.

Who said he wouldn’t testify truthfully IF he testified? But, rather he has chosen to suffer prison alongside a man, that saved his life, against the liberal forces in Congress that have lost in their battle to lose the Iraq war for us and now can only resort to dirtying the name of our brave fighting men and women, grasping at any straw rather than admit their own hatred for the militarey and America.

Robert108: I ws thinking about your use of the word “coward” for RBB and it occured to me that you are right; he would never have the courage to stand against an enemy and stand with a brave fellow soldier, he would sell his rescuer down the river to avoid any discomfort at all. I wonder if he has ever done anything for anyone wherein he knew he was risking his own life, or fortune or even comfort in an act of selfless service. I doubt it!

I pity him that even on Memorial Day he invests time and effort attacking our brave men and women in uniform. He will never understand how these Americans make it possible for him to spout his anti-American bile.

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

I love you Neiman, do you love me?

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

Reworked:

If he does not testify, truthfully, he is a coward.

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

Sgt. Jermaine A. Nelson is thwarting due process.

It depends on what the meaning of “is” is!

If anyone refuses to testify, the obvious question is what is he hiding.

Conviction by innuendo and the corollary suspension of the presumption of innocence is such a convenient tool when selectively employed… a tactic made all the easier when there are no basic principles, such as those described, cluttering the issue.

Neiman,

You have hit upon the essence of why the military and those who choose such service as their life’s work are such anathema to those on the Left.  Liberals can neither understand such devotion and loyalty, nor can they engender or control it.  And it scares them.

Kinda like Christianity in a sense.  The basic principles involved and the loyalty of our faith’s adherents to those principles is beyond the comprehension and manipulation or control of those on the Left.  They distrust and fear that which is beyond their reach.

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Like Karl Marx, lefties don’t want any loyalty to anything else other than the State.  During the “Cultural Revolution”, the Chicoms even broke up families, lest the family members feel family loyalty above that which they felt for the State.

Leftie political philosophy, from a DU commenter:

It doesn’t matter if it’s true or not. RUMOR IS TRUTH. The modern laws of media hype and political warfare have a useful tenet: Repeat ANYTHING or raise false concern over ANYTHING and it is likely to be planted in the conscious/subconscious of many voters.

Conviction by innuendo and the corollary suspension of the presumption of innocence is such a convenient tool when selectively employed… a tactic made all the easier when there are no basic principles, such as those described, cluttering the issue.

I wish I could have said it that well!

1. Not testifying is not to withhold the truth, it is rather not allowing the prosecution to twist the truth to convict a man of proven honor.
2. Marine Sgt. Jose Luis Nazario saved the life of Sgt. Jermaine A. Nelson twice, his courage and honor are beyond any reasonable dispute (RBB excepted from the term reason).
3. Sgt. Nazario, based on the limited information available, even if true, had disarmed non-uniformed enemy combatants when an urgent message came to him that other Marines were in a fire fight for their lives. The choices: a. Stay with the prisoners and do nothing to help fellow Marines in extreme danger. b. Let enemy cobatants go to kill more Marines and civilians, while running off to help rescue fellow Marines. c. Kill the murderous terrorist enemy bastards on the spot and go immediately to the aid of fellow Marines. This is a no-brainer! Sgt. Nzario has already demonstrated his willingness and abiltty to save lives. He killed the terrorists and thereby saved the lives of others they might take if released. He went to save the lives of other Marines. So, every action this Marine took was in the interest of saving lives. I say give him a medal, stop the freaking trial and let RBB live with his conscience!

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

http://iraqnow.blogspot.com/2006/01/i-knew-chief-welshofher.html

Watching the SAB audience gang up to justify prisoner abuse is hilarious.  Even your most honorable conservative knows what real honor is.  And it aint killing and torturing your prisoners.

I encourage you all to debate your fellow conservatives on the matter.  They are twice the men you think you are.

http://iraqnow.blogspot.com/2006/01/i-knew-chief-welshofher.html

http://grimbeorn.blogspot.com/2006_01_01_grimbeorn_archive.html

Watching the SAB audience gang up to justify prisoner abuse is hilarious.

Yeah, so was watching the Islamists cut the heads off of their prisoners as they screamed.

The difference is that we are putting the people accused on trial. They glorify theirs as heroes.

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One aspect may be that the troops understand the reality on the ground and the necessity of shooting-first, asking-questions-later in a battlefield where the terrorists play possum and pull pins to satchel charges or try to take out a few troops who think them already dead. *

Juxtaposed against a politically-charged JAG corps (is it?  This is just what if) that is out for blood of American troops, they enter into a defensive kraal (circled wagons) with the concept being, you can’t be hung on silence, nor have your words twisted into self-condemnation or used as a false weapon against a fellow troop. 

No need for a coverup of any supposed wrong-doing, just maintaining silence within the unit.  A continuation of what troops are trained to do under the aegis of OPSEC (Operational Security)

Then again, the Left still hasn’t apologized for their last false accusation, now have they?

Finding: …there are no indications that [Coalition Forces] intentionally targeted, engaged, and killed noncombatants. There is no denying that civilians died during the insurgents coordinated attack on the Marines on 19 Nov 05; however there is no evidence that the Marines intentionally set out to target, engage, and kill noncombatants.
-- The Watt Investigation Report on Haditha, pdf, March 3, 2006.

* Interview on FOX News:

O’REILLY - We do know that a lot of incidents are occurring where these so-called insurgents are waving white flags and then shooting, booby trapped bodies, people feigning death, then when the Marines come up, they turn around and they shoot. So we are not making any judgments here about what happened, but the video is there, and we decided to just play it. What do you think about it?

ANDREW APOSTOLOU: Well, I think the point is this. First of all, it is of course illegal to kill wounded people, to execute them, so-called double capping. But you know, it’s also illegal to feign death. It’s illegal to feign surrendering. It’s illegal to use white flags. It’s quite immoral to use mosques as places of combat instead of places of worship. And it’s quite wrong to booby trap bodies so that other people are killed when they’re trying to bury the enemy dead.

...for great justice

The difference is that we are putting the people accused on trial.

Well...except for the hundreds in Cuba

and the thousands held overseas

Tell us...what is the conviction rate of bushco? How many trials have there been?

They glorify theirs as heroes.

I think there is some glorifing going on here at SA too.

[George] Washington wrote, “Any other Prisoners who may fall into your Hands, you will treat with as much Humanity and kindness, as may be consistent with your own Safety and the publick Interest.”

Washington told Arnold to restrain the Continental troops and their Indian allies “from all Acts of Cruelty and Insult, which will disgrace the American Arms, and irritate our Fellow Subjects against us.”

¿ Fourth, any Americans who mistreated Canadians should be punished. ”Should any American Soldier be so base and infamous as to injure any Canadian or Indian, in his Person or Property,” Washington wrote, “I do most earnestly enjoin you to bring him to such severe and exemplary Punishment as the Enormity of the Crime may require.” In an accompanying letter Washington added, “Should it extend to Death itself it will not be disproportional to its Guilt, at such a Time and in such a Cause.”

¿ Fifth, respect the people’s religion. “As the Contempt of the Religion of a Country by ridiculing any of its Ceremonies or affronting its Ministers or Votaries, has ever been deeply resented, you are to be particularly careful to restrain every Officer and Soldier from such Imprudence and Folly and to punish every Instance of it.”

American ideals won immediate support from the Canadians, but American misconduct squandered it. Contrary to Washington’s orders, some American commanders disrespected Canadians’ religion, property and liberty.

Lamenting this American misconduct, Washington wrote to Gen. Philip Schuyler on April 19, 1776, “I am afraid proper measures have not been taken to conciliate their affections, but rather that they have been insulted and injured, than which nothing could have a greater tendency to ruin our cause in that country; for human nature is such that it will adhere to the side from whence the best treatment is received.”

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

Move-Zig, Bat-One, Robert108 and others: Isn’t it fascinating on this Memorial Day how the Lefties commenting here are enaging in obfuscations in order to demean our extraordinary soldiers in Iraq that are risking life and limb for this country?

Let us think about the mangled and dead bodies of those the terrorists involved might have killed and the very great possibility of Marines being horribly injured or killed if this Sergeant did not take decisive action in the midst of battle. No, the Leftists here say to hell with those Marines in desparate need of rescue and the other lives at risk, the Sergeant should have served these muderous terrorists hot falafels, coffee, gave them pillows for their nap, rugs for prayer and turned his back on his fellow Marines, all to serve their perverse ideas of political correctness in the heat of battle.

Can these Leftist twits even imagine what the hell hand-to-hand combat really is, can they imagine the need to defend your fellow Marines or to have to make a life and death decision while bullets are flying around? No! They just spout their politically correct liberal crap as if they really knew what they were talking about.

As for this quote by Washington: “Any other Prisoners who may fall into your Hands, you will treat with as much Humanity and kindness, as may be consistent with your own Safety and the publick Interest.” A remdial reading course would help you understand these words ‘as may be consistent with your own Safety and the publick Interest,’ which is exactly what this Sergeant did, in the interest of his safety, his fellow Marines and innocent civilians, he shot some non-uniformed, murderers; not soldiers, not Islamic terrorists, he just executed some murderers to save the lives of innocent people. Yeah, RBB and H, he should really be condemned for saving lives, right!

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

...Yes, if the accused committed cold-blooded murder and you were a witness, it demands you tell the truth....

Neiman on May 25, 2008 at 08:39 am

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

RBB -

Truly you cannot be this much of an ass.  But I could be mistaken.

Like Leftists continually do, you categorize the terrorists as legal combatants, entitled to the graces of Geneva Convention treatment.

They are not, nor are entitled to Geneva Convention treatment.

The Geneva Convention was set up to minimize the horrors of war and premised on reciprocity. If you are noble in your treatment of our captive soldiers we will be similarly noble to your captured soldiers.

First, they must be legal combatants: they fight in uniform or wear some distinctive markings designating them as combatants, not hiding in local civilian clothing, hiding among the civilians and in so doing, endangering all civilians;

they must follow the accepted rules of war, e.g. not hide behind civilians to make their attacks, nor compel civilians to drive into checkpoints nor to strap explosives on retards and steer them towards whatever target they may designate;

they must not target non-combatants.  If you have been paying attention a great deal of the casualties have been Iraqi civilians to include marketplaces, funerals and weddings;

they must not take hostages.  And this is exactly what they do.

they must treat their prisoners humanely. This is exactly what they DON’T do.  They torture them, film them being taunted with death, use these hostages —many of them civilian and even aid workers—to blackmail governments, then gruesomely execute them in a brutal and horrific manner.

The Iranian-backed Iraqi terrorists in no way qualify as lawful combatants.  They have chosen to fight the way they do, which is contemptibly cowardly and unhuman. 

In generations of war before this, even without the terrorist acts, those caught fighting in civilian clothing or in enemy uniforms intended to deceive the opposition were entitled to one thing—summary execution.  The US even did so to the German commandos who spearheaded the Battle of the Bulge, speaking English and wearing US uniforms. They were executed.

As a Leftist you might be forgiven, the first time this had been explained, probably years ago, since Leftists have no knowledge of fighting wars for their own country.  But that excuse has long passed and this continued drumbeat that US is somehow abusing legitimate soldiers is bilious propaganda, and it doesn’t fly here.

This audience knows better and your contempt for our ability to discern between legal and illegal combatants is insulting.

...for great justice

...Yes, if the accused committed cold-blooded murder and you were a witness, it demands you tell the truth....

Neiman on May 25, 2008 at 08:39 am

What’s your point moron? Are you even capable of making or ever getting to the point? I said that same, identical thing in comments above as well! You really should enroll in remedial reading courses, start at the 1st grade level.

Problem is you of low intelligence and no values at all, IF IF IF this Sergeant killed these people under the circusmtances, as we now know them, this was no act of murder, it was the lawful, necessary execution of murderers in the field in order to save lives. SAVE LIVES!

Let me try and get down, way down to your level of thinking: Let us suppose that a man broke into your house and it was clear that he represented a very real threat to the physical safety (lives) of your family. Would you kill the sonofabitch then and there, no discussion; or, in the interest of your liberal ideology, would you try and talk it over with him as he is killing your family? I suspect to your loved ones peril you would say ‘sorry loved ones,’ it just would not be nice for me to kill this guy.’ Let us further imagine you were, accidently I am sure, able to disarm this guy and your child is screaming from another room that someone is in there trying to kill him, would you run to the aid of your son and let the murderer beside your family get away, or shoot the bastard as you run to your son’s aid? I know the answer, your family and that includes your son would be dead, both murderers got away to kill other people another day; but you will feel proud that you did not kill these otherwise nice fellows.

You are living proof that “Liberalism kills innocent people!”

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Spies, not terrorists.

The US even did so to the German commandos who spearheaded the Battle of the Bulge, speaking English and wearing US uniforms. They were executed.

Evidence the murdered Iraqis were terrorists?

Spies, not terrorists.

Thus, spies, who at least are on a mission from their own country, who might not have engaged in acts of terrorism, have a lesser degree of protection and are thus more deserving of summary execution than terrorists, who commit atrocities?

It’s this kind of virulent, impenetrable stupidity, all geared to justifying Americas’ enemies, that make me steer away from even dignifying Leftists by directly addressing them.

You have proven yet again, that even seeking to inform you as to the errors in your assessment of the situation is a total and complete waste of time.

And Nieman, of course, I agree.

Semper Fi Bro.

...for great justice

The difference is that we are putting the people accused on trial. They glorify theirs as heroes.

SAB audience is glorifying the acts..

He does not understand that other Marines were in trouble and that Sgt. Jose Luis Nazario first duty was to protect those Marines, he did his duty, - Nieman

Let me get this straight. These Jarheads smoked a bunch of terrorists? Where is the crime? - 2Hotelwhiner

War is hell, and sometimes people make decisions in the heat of battle that they wouldn’t condone under normal conditions. - Carrick

Somehow we managed to have several wars where our soldiers knew how to deal with prisoners.  Carrick acts like its a big frickin mystery.

These Jarheads smoked a bunch of terrorists, and sanni still has not provided proof of any crime. Brigands/Bandits have no protections under the Geneva Accords. Terrorists can not surrender. Their god forbids it. Had these Marines not shot them in their heads, their own leaders would have beheaded them as soon as they were released from US custody.

Again. Where is the crime? Who is actively murdering Muslim women and children? Who proclaims, daily, from their minarets that murdering the innocent is Allah’s command to Muslims?

Una Salus Victus Nullam Sperare Salutem

Spies, not terrorists.

Non-uniformed combatants are not protected under the Geneva Convention.  So, it’s spies and terrorists, fool.

Leftie political philosophy, from a DU commenter:

It doesn’t matter if it’s true or not. RUMOR IS TRUTH. The modern laws of media hype and political warfare have a useful tenet: Repeat ANYTHING or raise false concern over ANYTHING and it is likely to be planted in the conscious/subconscious of many voters.

Again:
Evidence the murdered Iraqis were terrorists?

Again:
Evidence the murdered Iraqis were terrorists?

What part of “non-uniformed combatants” don’t you understand?  Were those AKs just toys?  Get real.

Leftie political philosophy, from a DU commenter:

It doesn’t matter if it’s true or not. RUMOR IS TRUTH. The modern laws of media hype and political warfare have a useful tenet: Repeat ANYTHING or raise false concern over ANYTHING and it is likely to be planted in the conscious/subconscious of many voters.

No, shithead, you are the one who has to prove they are not terrorists.

They are not members of any nation’s military, they are not in uniform, and they murder their own children and women. That makes them terrorists. Under the Geneva Accords they are classified as Brigands/Bandits and are given no protections or rights. Period. Full stop.

Una Salus Victus Nullam Sperare Salutem

They are not members of any nation’s military, they are not in uniform, and they murder their own children and women. That makes them terrorists. Under the Geneva Accords they are classified as Brigands/Bandits and are given no protections or rights. Period. Full stop.

Hilarious.

Everyone should have the right to bear arms, except Iraqis.  What ever happened to your big wish that everyone have the right to defend themselves?

What about the possibility that they ware armed militia who were maybe arming themselves against an attack from their enemies?  You know, the enemies Saddam had under control until we invaded.

Does this mean we can go around shooting people in the back of the head who have guns in our country? 

The possibilities are great.  Yet there is only one imaginable for the small minded.

Everyone should have the right to bear arms…

Under the US Constitution(specifically, the Second Amendment in The Bill of Rights), every US citizen has the right to keep and bear arms.

This does not apply to non-uniformed combatants in a war zone, moron!  Could you be any more stupid?

Leftie political philosophy, from a DU commenter:

It doesn’t matter if it’s true or not. RUMOR IS TRUTH. The modern laws of media hype and political warfare have a useful tenet: Repeat ANYTHING or raise false concern over ANYTHING and it is likely to be planted in the conscious/subconscious of many voters.

Neiman, you halfwitbushswallowingapologistantiamericanvaluessorryfoolofaman

I cut and pasted your comment to show to you just how hypocritical you really are.

I love you Neiman and I will pray that your soul will not rot in hell for the crimes you commit in your heart.

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

Everyone should have the right to bear arms, except Iraqis.  What ever happened to your big wish that everyone have the right to defend themselves?

What about the possibility that they ware armed militia who were maybe arming themselves against an attack from their enemies?  You know, the enemies Saddam had under control until we invaded.

Do you fully realize you are defending Islamic scum that kills their own people, including children? You are also, typical of liberals today, attacking our soldiers. Get it? You are on their side.

Why is it hillarious, to use your term, to suggest that these murderers being out of uniform do not deserve Geneva Conventions protection? They are in a war zone, they wear no uniforms of any nation, they randomly, from places of hiding, like cowardly pigs kill our soldiers and innocent people. We see what happens when they are captured, they use every tactic to gain sympathy from you liberals, they get our soldiers put in prison for stupid fraternity highkinks, they get out and kill again. So, in the name of your liberal god Obama, isn’t it merciful to kill them where we find them and end their being threats to us? They have a choice you know, like stop killing our soldiers and innocent Iraqi’s?

2Hotel9: The name ‘terrorists’ is too good for this scum, they are just murderous thugs!

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

I will pray that your soul will not rot in hell for the crimes you commit in your heart.

Your god Lucifer has no power to forgive sins RBB! Sins I commit in my heart, heh? Are you mind reading again? I told you that cheap sorcerer kit from Sear’s was nonsense, it wouldn’t work. Are you who demand no one judge you, engaged in judging my eternal fate now? Are you who defends murderers being self-righteous again? Are you still on drugs and hallucinating, still playing god? Do you have any hopes, even with psychiatric care and lots of thorazine ever returning to being sane?

The day you answer any question straight, the day you stop engaging in the ravings of a lunatic mind, the day you stop obfuscating, the day you stop defending Islamic murderers, then and only then can any sane person take you seriously. You are a joke my friend, a liberal, low class joke at that!

RBB have you stopped sodomizing other men yet?

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Yes I have, they all want you back.
There is nothing I can do about it.

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

Do you fully realize you are defending Islamic scum that kills their own people, including children?

Once again, you have no evidence that these guys were terrorists.  They could have simply been people who carried arms to protect themselves from their enemies.

Do you realize you are saying that everyone should have the right to bear arms, except the Iraqis?

Your very argument that Americans should have arms to defend themselves, especially in a time of invasion is being ignored here.  You want it for yourselves, but not for Iraqis. 

Remember, Iraqis had very few terrorists, until we arrived.  Why do you want to kill innocent people and not capture them?

You are also, typical of liberals today, attacking our soldiers. Get it? You are on their side.

That’s just your stupid, moronic and idiotic interpretation.  I am simply attacking the lack of logic in your argument.  Your cheap attempt to embarrass me won’t work because you aren’t making a good enough argument.

They are in a war zone, they wear no uniforms of any nation, they randomly, from places of hiding, like cowardly pigs kill our soldiers and innocent people.

We made their homes a warzone and we expect them to go about their daily activities so that we can tell people we are making progress.  How do you know these are people who arm themselves to protect themselves from murderous terrorists or militias?

So, in the name of your liberal god Obama, isn’t it merciful to kill them where we find them and end their being threats to us? They have a choice you know, like stop killing our soldiers and innocent Iraqi’s?

My liberal God???  You are unhinged man.

Nelson and Nazario have been charged with killing unarmed prisoners during the battle in Fallouja rather than take time to process them according to Geneva Convention rules.

Hey, why doesn’t this case get dropped?  The Geneva Convention rules don’t apply..........right 2HotelWhiner?

Hannitized:

My liberal God???  You are unhinged man.

It is sarcasm, a freaking joke! I apologize, I keep forgetting you people have no sense of humor. Well, I guess Obama, Hillary, Ted “I kill my dates’ Kennedy, Biden, Kerry, Pelosi, et al are all a bad joke, a really bad joke but most Americans don’t find any humor there. As Bugs would say about you, “what a maroon!”

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

It is such a waste of time to try to debate or reason with the anti victory, anti troop groups. They are nothing more than agitators. They have been around long before any of us were even alive.

Zsa Zsa: Some lessons, like the one you are suggesting, takes me a long time to learn.

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Neiman:  Sadly, Zsa Zsa is right. Few people today know that during the Revolution, many people turned their backs on the patriots and some actively helped the British.

To their great shame, those kinds of back-stabbing groups have always been with us and probably always will be.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

“As a conservative, I will not be overly enthusiastic about voting for John McCain on November 4 - but I will be sprinting to the polling place to do so!”
Matthew May, conservative commentator, The American Spectator

Hey Neiman,

That’s what ;^) smiley faces are for.  Otherwise, when you put a sentence like that next to a pretty long tirade it sort of comes across as serious.

Here you go....this ought to be up your alley.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52vcspOpH94

Isn’t it fascinating on this Memorial Day how the Lefties commenting here are enaging in obfuscations in order to demean our extraordinary soldiers in Iraq that are risking life and limb for this country?

I am not obfuscating anything.  He should testify and testify truthfully.  His oath and his duty to the Constitution demands it.  It is a high standard and a difficult standard, but nonetheless, it is the standard.  If he chooses to go to jail for this, I can respect it, but he is still wrong.

Naval Criminal Investigative Service
is stabbing these guys in the back?

What is sad is so many of the enemies we are fighting are right here at home.

Zsa Zsa.  Well put.  We have met the enemy the they are (some of) us.
Neiman. 

Not testifying is not to withhold the truth, it is rather not allowing the prosecution to twist the truth to convict a man of proven honor.

The very year I retired from teaching, I had the unfortunate encounter with two men in charge of schools.  They probably had never encountered an honorable man in their lives either.  Same for a few posters here.  I could relate a recent story at Wal-Mart, but may keep it for a post on my blog later.

Communism is evil

The very year I retired from teaching, I had the unfortunate encounter with two men in charge of schools.  They probably had never encountered an honorable man in their lives either.

Your arrogance is astounding.  Are you saying that these “men in charge of schools” had never met any other teachers who were “honorable”?  In my experience the vast majority of teachers I had were “honorable”.  They usually were in the profession because they loved teaching.

Lestat.  No, that the two were not and did not have the ability to recognize The Truth.  In the higher case, the superintendent was later convicted of “taking” money.  He was also, in my opinion not intelligent.  He did not know that “Called Up” was the same as involuntarily activated.  The first one, on several occasions questioned simple facts I gave him such as temperatures in halls, classrooms, fire extinguishers that were out of date, and even what time the sun came up!

No. Most all the teachers I worked with told The Truth.

Communism is evil

...but he is still wrong.

Where does “presumption of guilt” appear in our Constitution?  You know nothing; you are simply anti-military and anti-American.
Shame on you.

Leftie political philosophy, from a DU commenter:

It doesn’t matter if it’s true or not. RUMOR IS TRUTH. The modern laws of media hype and political warfare have a useful tenet: Repeat ANYTHING or raise false concern over ANYTHING and it is likely to be planted in the conscious/subconscious of many voters.

Where does “presumption of guilt” appear in our Constitution?  You know nothing; you are simply anti-military and anti-American.
Shame on you.

I’m saying he is wrong not to testify.  I have not made a judgment about what happened in Fallujah, because I don’t have the facts.  Partly, because he refuses to tell what happened, as is his duty.

No, that the two were not and did not have the ability to recognize The Truth.  In the higher case, the superintendent was later convicted of “taking” money.

Just because they were dirtbags, how does it make the rest of the teachers they encountered not honorable?

sanni, once you stop shitting on America and Americans we may bother to read your drug addled, rambling crap. Till then we will continue to smash you in the teeth every time you spew you shit here.

And yes, woofie. A TV show is stabbing them in the back. Just like the DeptNavy and DoD are.

Una Salus Victus Nullam Sperare Salutem

I’m saying he is wrong not to testify.

Let me ‘splain it to you, Leftie: In this country, we have this thing called freedom, where we can do what we choose, as long as we are willing to take responsibility for that choice, in terms of the consequences.  I know that “freedom”, “responsibility” and “consequences” are foreign concepts to you lefties, but they are an important part of being a real American.

Collectivism requires coercion, individualism does not.

Leftie political philosophy, from a DU commenter:

It doesn’t matter if it’s true or not. RUMOR IS TRUTH. The modern laws of media hype and political warfare have a useful tenet: Repeat ANYTHING or raise false concern over ANYTHING and it is likely to be planted in the conscious/subconscious of many voters.

He took an oath.  By not testifying he is violating that oath.  He should sit in jail until he testifies and if he does not, dishonorable discharge.

Lestat: While I disagree with you, Sgt. Jermaine A. Nelson is willing to go to prison and I would suppose accept a less than honorable discharge to protect a man that saved his life not only once, but twice.

Let me ask you honestly, if you had a friend that twice saved your life, are you telling me you would rat him out in this instance? If so, I thank God I have had no friends in the Marine Corps like you. You see we must trust and fight for that guy next to us, and unless we witness and believe he lost his mind and was guilty of cold-blooded murder, we give him the benefit of the doubt and stand by him.

I said early on that no one that has not served in combat beside another soldier and had to trust their life to them could ever possibly understand this situation. The Sergeant charged is a brother in arms, a valiant anmd heroic Marine, no matter what happened.

For the record I was not accusing you but RBB and Handjob of obfuscating. You have always spoken directly to every issue.

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Neiman:

Sgt. Jermaine A. Nelson is willing to go to prison and I would suppose accept a less than honorable discharge to protect a man that saved his life not only once, but twice.

Neiman:

Yes, if the accused committed cold-blooded murder and you were a witness, it demands you tell the truth.

Neiman, if Sgt. Nelson is protecting a murder, is that OK with you?

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

RBB: You NEVER answer any question from me or anyone else, so you can shove your questions up your well sodomized rump!

You are an enemy of the United States and the military, and not worthy of any reply from anyone!

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Neiman:  Ahem… I’ve told you before that RBB does NOT engage in dialogue and he almost never answers questions - unless it suits his purpose.  So stop letting him bait you.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

“As a conservative, I will not be overly enthusiastic about voting for John McCain on November 4 - but I will be sprinting to the polling place to do so!”
Matthew May, conservative commentator, The American Spectator

Oh Neiman, that was not a very nice thing to say.
Are you having problems again?

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob