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Another false equivalence from Sparkie.  Yawn.

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

Personally, I’m all for dissent.  That’s why this blog’s title is “Say Anything” and I allow pretty much anyone - within the bounds of the law and my rather liberal interpretation of acceptable taste - to post and/or comment here.

But as for this:

We hear ‘esteemed’ Mr. Limbaugh wishing he could squelch out the dissent when the country is engaged in a project or few that he is pleased with.

I’d actually like some proof of that, as I’ve never heard Rush say that he wants to stop people from saying things.  He disagrees with people, sure, but he doesn’t say they can’t talk.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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Great post.

Seems like it’s really Sparkie who can’t handle dissent from his faulty thinking.

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

I agree Rob.  I have never heard Rush say that people can’t talk.  He does say that no one but him has the right to be heard on his radio show but he hasn’t told someone they aren’t allowed to talk.

A political party cannot be all things to all people. It must represent certain fundamental beliefs which must not be compromised to political expediency, or simply to swell its numbers.

Great post.

I agree, though I would like to see Sparkie either apologize for his erroneous indictment of Rush or flesh it out with some evidence.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

Rob’s recently listened-to songs:

Actually, Rush encourages calls from lefties, so that he can expose their faulty and erroneous thinking on the air.  It’s a lot like Rob allows the lefties to spew their lies, hate and faulty thinking on this blog for everyone to see(and refute, if they want to).

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

Except when it’s sparkless dissenting, then it’s far more likely to be whining and kvetching as opposed to reasoned and principled dissent.

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Rodney G. Graves

Ceterum censeo Parthia esse delendam
Latin: “Furthermore, Parthia (Persia aka modern day Iran) should be destoyed”

randy grapes
sounds like you have nothing but whining and kvetching to offer. a self-indictment.
r108
nice snipes. (cough cough).
rob and dougee
first off, rush allows token, heavily filtered libs to get through. usually the silly idiot kind who need others to do their thinking for them. what’s more, his cries of ‘anti-americanism’ are regularly followed by the suggestion that so-and-so should be locked away for aiding and abetting terrorists, treason, or what hove you. the ethnocentrism that rush displays is laughably hypocritical. what’s more, the framing of dissent as treason doesn’t save him from hypocrisy. now, rob and dougee, step up (with Rush, your boy) and defend the case for verbal terrorism. know that, in doing so, you are merely veiling a call for the silencing of dissent. i need not provide an example, anyone who has listened to rush more than five times will know goddamn well what i refer to.

first off, rush allows token, heavily filtered libs to get through. usually the silly idiot kind who need others to do their thinking for them.

Any evidence for this claim by you?

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

what’s more, his cries of ‘anti-americanism’ are regularly followed by the suggestion that so-and-so should be locked away for aiding and abetting terrorists, treason, or what hove you.

Now you’re just lying(again).

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

Sparkie: I respond to the charges of bullshit with this. I don’t have to prove myself. Rush Limbaugh is an ass and I expect everyone to take whatever I say about him as gospel with no proof whatsoever. May all of you who disagree with me burn in hell.

Assholes.

kenny
don’t be an asshole.

like i said, anyone who listens to rush knows goddamn well.
the exact same claim can be levelled at ann coulter. they both cry ‘treason’ when anything isn’t going their way.

remember joe wilson’s dissent.
what’d they call him? A TRAITOR, a treasonous traitor. FOR AN OP-ED ARTICLE.  these partisan moments of censorship can be multiplied. the examples are out there. i beg your pardon for not having a stack of rush transcripts to pile over just to prove an obvious point to you’all.

i love it when you guys sit around and deny the obvious! rob! ‘there’s no proof of that!’ i know you’re smarter than that.

R108
I wasn’t responding to you. If I want that sort of exchange, I will go down the street and argue with the toddlers. ‘Liar!’ ‘No, you are.’

Sparky:  I agree with some of what you say.  Rush Limbaugh is, first and foremost, an entertainer ; one who knows his base thoroughly and what they want to hear..  He is a master at the ‘straw-man’ form of dialogue and avoids having knowledgeable people on his show. 

I enjoy his show, but he is no intellectual giant.  His use of mockery - often emulated here - is tasteless and offensive, ala Ann Coulter, and has encouraged the left to adopt the same vapid methodologoy. i.e. “Don’t engage, just mock.”

There are some really thoughtful conservative commentators out there, but Rush is not one of them.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

The stakes are high. Whether the issue is the economy, or energy, or the federal courts or national security, the right answers are coming not from the Democrats, but from the Republicans. The surge of operations that began a year ago is succeeding. The only way to lose this fight is to quit. Richard M. Cheney, Vice President, 30 May, 2008

pparents
what don’t you agree with me on? you underlined ‘some’ and then fleshed out the argument for me.
i almost heard a glimmer of a ‘rush’s listeners are stupid’ in there. care to elucidate that? I listen to Rush, when I can.

His use of mockery - often emulated here - is tasteless and offensive, ala Ann Coulter, and has encouraged the left to adopt the same vapid methodologoy. i.e. “Don’t engage, just mock.”

Mockery has been the first and last resort of liberal debating tactics since long before Rush Limbaugh came on the scene.

Rush learned it from them, not the other way around.

Mockery has been the first and last resort of liberal debating tactics since long before Rush Limbaugh came on the scene

Both sides mock the other.  You are ridiculous to claim it is a “liberal debating tactic”.

You are ridiculous to claim it is a “liberal debating tactic”.

Yeah! “Tactic” implies thought!

A troll is someone who only wants to stir up trouble, not have an honest debate.  Some signs that a poster is a troll:
* Dodges questions from other posters * Refuses to give sources
* When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts.  Heh. (From the LGF faq)

The bottom line is this:  Mockery is a vessel of bitterness, achieving nothing… and both sides would do well not to drink from that cup.

... just consider realitybasedbob.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

The stakes are high. Whether the issue is the economy, or energy, or the federal courts or national security, the right answers are coming not from the Democrats, but from the Republicans. The surge of operations that began a year ago is succeeding. The only way to lose this fight is to quit. Richard M. Cheney, Vice President, 30 May, 2008

sparkie:  Rush listeners are not - as a group - stupid. Their range of intelligence, interaction and effectiveness is about the same as you find here at SAB or at any blog, left or right.

I have never heard Limbaugh say that he would like to squelch dissent.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

The stakes are high. Whether the issue is the economy, or energy, or the federal courts or national security, the right answers are coming not from the Democrats, but from the Republicans. The surge of operations that began a year ago is succeeding. The only way to lose this fight is to quit. Richard M. Cheney, Vice President, 30 May, 2008

His use of mockery - often emulated here - is tasteless and offensive, ala Ann Coulter, and has
encouraged the left to adopt the same vapid methodologoy. i.e. “Don’t engage, just mock.”

This explains a lot about how you think, pp.  In the first place, “the politics of personal destruction” is the hallmark of Clintonco politics, and Rush incessantly points it out.  I know that simply reciting leftie talking points sounds like mockery, because they are so transparently false and immoral.
Rush is more knowledgeable than any leftie I have ever heard, and Ann is very honest in her intention to make leftie heads “explode” by telling the truth about them, what they are, and what they intend to do with this country.
The fact that you don’t get that speaks volumes.

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

R108
I wasn’t responding to you. If I want that sort of exchange, I will go down the street and argue with the toddlers. ‘Liar!’ ‘No, you are.’

You lied about Rush advocating for anyone to get shot, so it’s on you, Sparkie.  You lie, I call you on it.  If you don’t like it, stop lying.
Rush and Ann expose the hypocrisy of the lefties, and you can’t handle it.  Talk about being a toddler.
Joe Wilson lied to try to influence an election, and was facilitated in doing so by his wife, who was employed by an agency that is supposedly protecting American interests.  What would you call that?

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

r108: 

This explains a lot about how you think, pp.

I hope so.  That was exactly my intent.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

The stakes are high. Whether the issue is the economy, or energy, or the federal courts or national security, the right answers are coming not from the Democrats, but from the Republicans. The surge of operations that began a year ago is succeeding. The only way to lose this fight is to quit. Richard M. Cheney, Vice President, 30 May, 2008

I hope so. That was exactly my intent.

Obviously so, and as a consequence, I will probably never take you seriously again.  If you can be that wrong about Rush(who is the antidote, along with Ann, to the Soros-influenced MSM), then I wonder about your desperate advocacy of McCain.

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

r108:  Rush plays - as he always has - a valuable role in raising questions and challenging liberal dogma.  That I find his mockery distasteful is, I would hope, my prerogative. 

Where Coulter is concerned, CPAC made their position abundantly clear: her brand of ‘political discourse’ is vapid and unnecessarily vulgar. Even FOXNEWS has reduced her appearances to nearly zero.  [Good move on their part.]

Mockery closes minds, it does not open them.

My advocacy for Senator McCain is hardly ‘desperate’. And the use of that word is a little mockery on your part; a practice you frequently indulge in.  For a man who can be eloquent and persuasive, I often wonder why you do that.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

The stakes are high. Whether the issue is the economy, or energy, or the federal courts or national security, the right answers are coming not from the Democrats, but from the Republicans. The surge of operations that began a year ago is succeeding. The only way to lose this fight is to quit. Richard M. Cheney, Vice President, 30 May, 2008

Mockery closes minds, it does not open them.

Not only do I disagree with that opinion of yours, but also your characterization of what Rush and Ann do as “mockery”.  It is your way of belittling their dissent with leftie orthodoxy as expressed in the Soros-influenced MSM.  What Rush does is to use the lefties’ words against them.  If you think that’s “mockery”, then it’s on the lefties who made the statements, no Rush.  Your wish for Ann’s demise is not only inaccurate, but mean-spirited as well.
I don’t share your version of CPAC’s “opinion”.  They have their way of dealing with their discomfort at Ann’s honesty, as do you.
I tell the truth as I see it, and make no effort whatsoever to be either “eloquent” or “persuasive”.  Those who recognize the truth will, I hope, act accordingly, and those who don’t recognize the truth are beyond my concern.
I’m not here to be liked, and I don’t pander.  Whether you like what I say or not is not my concern.  I just seek to be accurate.

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

pp: When Ann says the we should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity, she is voicing what the radical Islamists say on a daily basis, and upon which they act with their strapping bombs on women and children all over the world.
Yet, they are not criticized for this by you appeasers, who then viciously turn on Ann for her irony.  What hypocrisy!
Neither Rush nor Ann “make nice” with the enemy, and that upsets you.  Tough!

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

I tell the truth as I see it, and make no effort whatsoever to be either “eloquent” or “persuasive”.

ta-pocketa-pocketa-pocketa-pocketa-pocketa

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

Now bob has regressed from 1987 (Reagan) to 1939 (Thurber).
Come live in the present with us, bob!

A troll is someone who only wants to stir up trouble, not have an honest debate.  Some signs that a poster is a troll:
* Dodges questions from other posters * Refuses to give sources
* When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts.  Heh. (From the LGF faq)

Proof: Master Baiter’s admiration for me knows no bounds.

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

Even Gumby is green with envy over the way you can stretch, r-Gumby.

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

Even Gumby is green with envy over the way you can stretch, r-Gumby.

You’re just full of praise for me today, Master Baiter; you compare me to your favorite doll.

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

Sparkie: What you spectacularly fail to recognize is that the vast majority of Americans dissent from the ideology and treason of you and your leftie pals.  We dissent from your lies about America, and your kneejerk antiwarism.  We see you as traitors because, while living in the greatest country in the world, and while enjoying the fruits of America’s accomplishments, you constantly attempt to undermine and destroy American ideals.  We dissent from your worldview.

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

At the risk of getting embroiled in the pointless bickering that I so detest and really, have no time for, I’ll put in my two cents.

Dissent, as in patriotic dissent, might have a good example in the First Amendment cases during WWI and the dissents of Justice Learned Hand, which eventually became law.  There, his focus was on the Constitution and its’ protection.

To call what US-based Leftists have been doing since at least Vietnam and most likely as long as there have been Leftists, has been aimed at monkey- wrenching US foreign policy, undermining its ability to prosecute wars that it has been involved in, providing aid and comfort to America’s enemies in time of war and doing their level best to feed our embattled allies to foreign (generally Leftist) wolves.

From the time of the Bolshevik revolution onward, the Leftist press has suppressed the ugly truth about Statism, hidden their atrocities from their readers, lionized such enemy leaders as “Uncle Joe” Stalin, Ho Chi Mihn, Che Guevara, Castro, Mao Tse Tung… the list goes on.

From their street demonstrations, their falsified testimony before Congress (think Winter Soldier), and their actions in Congress and the Executive, they have contributed to the losses to the Soviets or Chi-Coms, in Cuba, South Africa, SW Africa, Rhodesia, Angola, Mozambique, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Central America, Iran and to this day, our current cohort of Leftist traitors are loudly beating the Defeat Drum for Iraq and Afghanistan.

There are many other places as well, but this pattern is too clear to ignore.  US-based Leftists have consistently championed the causes of totalitarians both home (Clinton) and abroad.  They attempt to cloak their treason behind the mantel of Constitutional dissent, but their actions and results over time give lie to their words.

At best, they are the ‘Useful Idiots’ the Soviet cadre has relied on for so long and so often to achieve their victories.  They are indeed misinformed as to the truth of what happens when Communists or totalitarians seize power --- it has happened too often to escape notice --- carnage results.

The mass arrests, the mass incarcerations and internment at forced labor ‘reedducation’ camps, where they are indoctrinated into Marxist lies and told that all they had learned as educated free men and women was wrong.  Those are the lucky ones.

More often, there is mass slaughter, whether the Killing Fields of Laos, Cambodia and South Vietnam, Zimbabwae, the millions of starved Kulaks, the thousands machine-gunned by Soviet tanks in Eastern Europe or thousands of students slaughtered in Tiananmen Square. 

So to demand unilateral withdrawal from Iraq and Afghanistan while the wolves are at the door is not dissent.  It is aiding and abetting a defeat and the consequences take no crystal ball to see the tragedy that will unfold if Al-Qaeda and Iran take over those countries.  There will be mass slaughter and the living might well envy the dead under the days of primal fear and privation that follow.

So, pay no heed to Leftists calling what they are doing dissent.

What they are doing are aiding and abetting the enemy, in much the same manner as Tokyo Rose, Axis Sally and Lord Haw Haw did (except they were at least honest in saying they were in the enemy camp), in time of war.

Their proper title is traitor and what they do treason.

With regard to Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh, the real sting in any rebuke is the truth.  And because Ann and Rush use the truth, coupled with humor to lampoon the Leftists, Leftists fly into foaming rages.  Ann and Rush are both spot-on in most instances.

That is all.

...for great justice

MZ: Good one!  As you well know, sometimes you have to return fire.  Rush and Ann both know this, and are very accurate, which bothers the lefties to no end, which is why they try so hard to marginalize and silence them.

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

ROB: I agree, though I would like to see Sparkie either apologize for his erroneous indictment of Rush or flesh it out with some evidence.

Rob,

I almost regurgitated my PBNJ after reading that.  You are kidding me right?

That would almost be a reasoned response if you could do the same sometime.  That Obama says there is no AQ in Iraq post was an out and out right lie.  You never apologized for that, nor corrected your post.

Quite frankly you are in no position to ask for such an apology.

R108: You lied about Rush advocating for anyone to get shot, so it’s on you, Sparkie.  You lie, I call you on it.  If you don’t like it, stop lying.

That is very good.  Quite honest of you to be such a straight shooter.  Mind if I burrow that sometime next time I take criticism for calling Rob a liar?

I didn’t think so.

Obviously so, and as a consequence, I will probably never take you seriously again.  If you can be that wrong about Rush(who is the antidote, along with Ann, to the Soros-influenced MSM), then I wonder about your desperate advocacy of McCain.

And you would do well to imitate him.  pparets is one of the few who will be honest enough to carry on a true debate.

Debating with you Rob is a one sided conversation.  You concede no truths, consider no viable possibilities and you deny everything.  Or you are in such denial that you are incapable of recognizing the reality that would enable a rational debate.

We need more people like him, and fewer like you and possibly this country could return to discussing politics and the direction we should move in as a country that has political differences, not enemies.

Mind if I burrow that sometime next time I take criticism for calling Rob a liar?

Why? Are you a gopher?
Seriously, Rob is telling the truth, and Sparkie lied.  If you can’t tell the difference, it’s because you’re a morally relative leftie.

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

That Obama says there is no AQ in Iraq post was an out and out right lie.  You never apologized for that, nor corrected your post.

I never apologized or corrected because it wasn’t a lie.  There was video of Obama making the statement right in the post.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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Rob: You have to remember that lefties redefine words to suit their agenda, so “lie” means “a truth that exposes my ignorance/hypocrisy/real agenda.  See how that works?

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

I like to argue. Most times, I don’t even find out why I really hold a position until I have argued with others, heard the problems, seen the boundaries, and so forth.

No wonder you don’t seem to know what the hell you’re talking about most of the time, Sparkie.  You depend on others to do your thinking for you.  What values do you use to make your final decision of what to believe?

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

notice: rob (and dougee for that matter) did not come out in favor of silencing SPEaCH (or op-eds) as a means of preventing TREaSON. !!!

I agree. However, when it involves positions of responsibility… there should be a keen eye to conflicts of interest.

and under oath does mean something, IMO. lying to the state under oath seems more treasonous than normal speech or op-eds.

Now if only MZ could imagine a world in which the constitution has been maligned and he is ‘dissenting’ to get it repaired, patched up, and generally respectable again. Oh wait, not much imagining there… lets not equivocate when we use the term ‘dissent’ now okay?

...lets not equivocate when we use the term ‘dissent’ now okay?--

You first, Sparkie.

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.