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Saturday, October 21, 2006

Despite popular belief, the world is not running out of oil, UW scientist says

From the U of Washington website:

If you think the world is on the verge of running out of oil or other mineral resources, you’ve been taken in by the foremost of seven myths about resource geology, according to a University of Washington economic geologist.

“The most common question I get is, ‘When are we going to run out of oil.’ The correct response is, ‘Never,’” said Eric Cheney. “It might be a heck of a lot more expensive than it is now, but there will always be some oil available at a price, perhaps $10 to $100 a gallon.”

Changing economics, technological advances and efforts such as recycling and substitution make the world’s mineral resources virtually infinite, said Cheney, a UW professor emeritus of Earth and space sciences. For instance, oil deposits unreachable 40 years ago can be tapped today using improved technology, and oil once too costly to extract from tar sands, organic matter or coal is now worth manufacturing. Though some resources might be costlier now, they still are needed.

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Other myths that he wants to dispel include:

* Only basic extraction and processing costs affect economic geology. That fails to account for such costs as exploration, transportation, taxes and societal and environmental programs.

* Production always damages the environment. Accidents do happen, Cheney said, but much of the perception is based on problems of the past and don’t reflect current reality. “It’s inevitable that there are going to be oil spills, just like tere are traffic accidents on the freeway,” he said. “We hope we can manage them, but nothing is risk free.”

* Mineral deposits are excessively profitable. Despite widely reported huge oil company profits in the last year, Cheney notes that as a percentage of company revenues oil profits lag far behind those of some major software and banking companies.

* Transportation costs are trivial. In fact, the retail cost of building materials such as sand and gravel are largely driven by the cost of moving them from one place to another, particularly in crowded urban areas. Moving quarries and pits farther away from where people live only increases those costs.

* Ore deposits are uniform. While a valued ore can be found in a large continuous deposit, often it is mixed with other kinds of minerals and extraction becomes more expensive.

* Resources are randomly distributed and so, if human population encroaches, a mine or quarry should simply be able to relocate.

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“The point is that we have to have members of the public who are not geologists and who know something about mineral resources. There are going to be some important policy decisions in the next decades, so we need to have some smart voters,” he said. “We can start in colleges by dispelling myths in courses for students who are not going to become professional geoscientists.”

Read the whole thing.

It’s time to stop the scareology being promoted by the enviro extremists and make our energy policy based on truth.

Comments

Avatar for gregdn

While I agree we’re not going to run out of oil soon, we do need to acknowledge the fact that the cheapest supplies comes from some rather nasty places.
For that reason alone I would like to see us come up with an energy policy which:
1. increases domestic drilling
2. increases funding for mass transit
3. increases fuel standards
4. promotes nuclear energy

Much of this to me seems like a natural compromise for our politicians:
Dems should let us drill in ANWR and in return Reps could increase CAFE.
Well, I can dream…

gregdn on October 21, 2006 at 09:23 am

2. increases funding for mass transit

Been there, done that, it failed.

3. increases fuel standards

People control?

I agree with the other two.


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on October 21, 2006 at 09:47 am

1. increases domestic drilling

Exploration+drilling+building more refineries.

2. increases funding for mass transit

Subsidies are bribes to get people to use something they wouldn’t use otherwise.  Immoral and uneconomic.

3. increases fuel standards

Sounds good; what does it mean?  Why use govt coercion for anything?  Just let the market do its job.

4. promotes nuclear energy

Not necessary; just remove the restrictive legislation and let the market do its job.


"One must regard his leftist opponent as a parent regards his recalcitrant child. Don’t give an inch in a debate with a leftist, and you’ll soon frustrate him to the point that he falls back to his default position. He’ll gainsay your every point. He’ll even resort to calling you names and accusing you of having suspect parentage.”

robert108 on October 21, 2006 at 12:06 pm

Ya! BUT we can’t drill where many resources are because of the environmentalists… Not that there is anything wrong with being environmentally safe and respect thee land…

Zsa Zsa on October 21, 2006 at 12:15 pm

zz: The scareology of the enviros isn’t based on any real danger, just their desire to destroy America.


"One must regard his leftist opponent as a parent regards his recalcitrant child. Don’t give an inch in a debate with a leftist, and you’ll soon frustrate him to the point that he falls back to his default position. He’ll gainsay your every point. He’ll even resort to calling you names and accusing you of having suspect parentage.”

robert108 on October 21, 2006 at 12:23 pm

First they came for the oil companies…

Zsa Zsa on October 21, 2006 at 12:27 pm

I grew up around the oil industry, have known people who worked in just about every oil feild on this planet, I have worked in the Gulf of Mexico, MS,LA,TX and now PA. I have been told by geologists and engineers that oil patches that were considered played out 40 years ago are active again, and that with new technology and processes patches are producing far longer than before. Petroluem is a finite resource. Just not nearly as finite as the environazis and doomcryers want people to believe.


Una Salus Victus Nullam Sperare Salutem

2Hotel9 on October 21, 2006 at 01:40 pm
Avatar for gregdn

"Subsidies are bribes to get people to use something they wouldn’t use otherwise.”

Robert, the government builds freeways.  Aren’t those subsidies for motorists? Unless you find that unreasonable there’s no reason why they shouldn’t build say, a bullet train between Las Vegas and Los Angeles.  Or at least the railway.

gregdn on October 21, 2006 at 02:46 pm

Aren’t those subsidies for motorists?

No. We pay for them with our gas taxes, which are “earmarked” for that purpose.  No one has to be induced to drive; we demand it, and the govt supplies it, because that is the system we consider to be the best, overall, for building highways.  It’s when there is little demand, and the govt tries to seduce people into demanding more by offering a lower than market price(subsidy) that it is a bribe.  Econ 101


"One must regard his leftist opponent as a parent regards his recalcitrant child. Don’t give an inch in a debate with a leftist, and you’ll soon frustrate him to the point that he falls back to his default position. He’ll gainsay your every point. He’ll even resort to calling you names and accusing you of having suspect parentage.”

robert108 on October 21, 2006 at 03:06 pm

gregdn: If we wanted “bullet trains” or even railway transportation between Las Vegas and LA, they would be built by someone, but there is not enough demand to merit that, so “subsidy” is necessary to make something the people don’t really want.  Why do you lefties fear the level playing field?  Let the people make their choices, and then support them wherever necessary with infrastructure.  Railways have been around a lot longer than personal automobiles, and we have clearly made the choice for personal, modular transportation.  BTW, there is a very sound economic reason for this.


"One must regard his leftist opponent as a parent regards his recalcitrant child. Don’t give an inch in a debate with a leftist, and you’ll soon frustrate him to the point that he falls back to his default position. He’ll gainsay your every point. He’ll even resort to calling you names and accusing you of having suspect parentage.”

robert108 on October 21, 2006 at 03:12 pm

And the global warmingists work for free?  Don’t be ridiculous.  If you are for global warming today, you get the grants from the politically-connected sources.  Global warming is part of the orthodoxy of the left.


"One must regard his leftist opponent as a parent regards his recalcitrant child. Don’t give an inch in a debate with a leftist, and you’ll soon frustrate him to the point that he falls back to his default position. He’ll gainsay your every point. He’ll even resort to calling you names and accusing you of having suspect parentage.”

robert108 on October 22, 2006 at 08:05 am
Avatar for Anarchist Vegan: Not an Economist

The problem is not that the oil is running out, it is that those greedy third-worlders want OUR oil. Those bastards! This is pushing up the price.

And of course we’ll never run out of oil. There will be a point where it becomes so expensive that we’ll use a cheaper energy source (like coal).

Also, fussing about global warming is nearly pointless. Other sources of energy are simply too expensive at the moment. We will destroy our environment, and the global warmingists (like me) will say ‘I told you so’, but we know that already. It’d be nice to think that warning people will make a significant difference, but such a thought would be foolish.

Our agriculture is only efficient from a capital point of view, not from an energy input vs. output (thermodynamic) standpoint. Higher energy prices means more expensive food. Shit to be a third-worlder.

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