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Friday, October 20, 2006

Democrats: As Wrong On Foreign Policy Today as They Were During the Cold War

Kevin Mooney

CNSNews.com Staff Writer


The antipathy that congressional Democrats have today toward President George W. Bush is reminiscent of their distrust of President Ronald Reagan during the Cold War, a political science professor says.

“We see some of the same sentiments today, in that some Democrats see the Republican president as being a threat and the true obstacle to peace, instead of seeing our enemies as the true danger,” said Paul Kengor, a political science professor at Grove City College and the author of new book, The Crusader: Ronald Reagan and the Fall of Communism.

In his book, which came out this week, Kengor focuses on a KGB letter written at the height of the Cold War that shows that Sen. Edward Kennedy (D-Mass.) offered to assist Soviet leaders in formulating a public relations strategy to counter President Reagan’s foreign policy and to complicate his re-election efforts.

The letter, dated May 14, 1983, was sent from the head of the KGB to Yuri Andropov, who was then General Secretary of the Soviet Union’s Communist Party.

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At one point after President Reagan left office, Tunney acknowledged that he had played the role of intermediary, not only for Kennedy but for other U.S. senators, Kengor said. Moreover, Tunney told the London Times that he had made 15 separate trips to Moscow.

“There’s a lot more to be found here,” Kengor told Cybercast News Service. “This was a shocking revelation.”

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Specifically, Kennedy proposed that Andropov make a direct appeal to the American people in a series of television interviews that would be organized in August and September of 1983, according to the letter.

“Tunney told his contacts that Kennedy was very troubled about the decline in U.S -Soviet relations under Reagan,” Kengor said. “But Kennedy attributed this decline to Reagan, not to the Soviets. In one of the most striking parts of this letter, Kennedy is said to be very impressed with Andropov and other Soviet leaders.”

In Kennedy’s view, the main reason for the antagonism between the United States and the Soviet Union in the 1980s was Reagan’s unwillingness to yield on plans to deploy middle-range nuclear missiles in Western Europe, the KGB chief wrote in his letter.

Kennedy was afraid that Reagan was leading the world into a nuclear war,” Kengor said. “He hoped to counter Reagan’s polices, and by extension hurt his re-election prospects.”

As a prelude to the public relations strategy Kennedy hoped to facilitate on behalf of the Soviets, Kengor said, the Massachusetts senator had also proposed meeting with Andropov in Moscow—to discuss the challenges associated with disarmament.

In his appeal, Kennedy indicated he would like to have Sen. Mark Hatfield (R-Ore.) accompany him on such a trip. The two senators had worked together on nuclear freeze proposals.

But Kennedy’s attempt to partner with high-level Soviet officials never materialized. Andropov died after a brief time in office and was succeeded by Mikhail Gorbachev.



In his attempt to reach out the Soviets, Kennedy settled on a flawed receptacle for peace, Kengor said. Andropov was a much more belligerent and confrontational leader than the man who followed him, in Kengor’s estimation.

“If Andropov had lived and Gorbachev never came to power, I can’t imagine the Cold War ending peacefully like it did,” Kengor told Cybercast News Service. “Things could have gotten ugly.”

In the long run of history, Kengor believes it is evident that Reagan’s policies were vindicated while Kennedy was proven wrong. In fact, as he points out in his book, Kennedy himself made a “gracious concession” after Reagan died, crediting the 40th president with winning the Cold War.



Read the whole thing.

Any of this sound familiar? The Democrats haven’t learned anything from our own history, apparently. They still see our enemies as being better than a President who is willing to stand up to them. Just another reason the Democrats can’t be trusted to run this country properly.
In the same way that they blame President Bush for "making the world hate us", they were telling the same lie about Reagan.
When it comes to foreign policy, the Democrats want us to be submissive and passive.

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Jim Quinn had this author on his show yesterday morning. He claims to have a number of recently declassified documents from our government and is working with researchers in Russia who are working through files in the KGB archives. I will see if I can get the audio link to Quinn’s webpage and post it here.


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2Hotel9 on October 21, 2006 at 03:55 am

Do you suppose that in 1983 that Ted Kennedy was capable of remembering that even his brother was engaged in the cold war against the Communist block?

If he went that far downhill in the first 20 years after his brothers death how far has he gone down the last 20 years.


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on October 21, 2006 at 04:20 am

I don’t like Ted Kennedy at all, but frankly this sounds like a bunch of partisan shit. And Grove City College? What the fuck is that? Some community college?
Maybe we should focus on how the Bush family collude with the Saudis who sponsor the most terror and think that democracy is a joke. The maybe we would be talking about something current and relevant TO CURRENT FOREIGN POLICY.


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Sparkie Arbuckle on October 21, 2006 at 05:02 am

Sparkie adds to the confession by denial.  We’re on to something here.


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on October 21, 2006 at 05:05 am

YEA. You’re on to something from 1983. So what? You think you’re ever going to convince all the douches in Mass not to vote for Teddy? Bullshit!
All I’m saying is much more stupid shit is going on now with much more dangerous enemies and the people you guys boost for are doing it. Bummer.


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Sparkie Arbuckle on October 21, 2006 at 05:09 am

All I’m saying is much more stupid shit is going on now

What’s Kennedy doing now?


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on October 21, 2006 at 05:13 am

I don’t even care.

I do know though, that the more that fat white people in the midwest with lots of guns get fired up over this crap, the more the pink-croc-wearing dykes and starbucks queers that live all over Mass will think he’s wonderful and vote for him. They don’t give a shit if he was getting fingered by the Russians with a fine cigar.

Have you ever been to Mass? There are so many Italians and Irish is has to be one of the dumbest places on earth per capita. If they had more Pols it would raise the median IQ there significantly.


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Sparkie Arbuckle on October 21, 2006 at 05:17 am

More proof that the real hate and racism comes from the lefties like Sparkie.


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on October 21, 2006 at 05:19 am

More proof that the real hate and racism comes from the lefties like Sparkie.

Nice try tool! What someone types on an internet forum isnt necc indemic of them or anyone else. Oh well, we all know Whistler loves Massholes now.


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Sparkie Arbuckle on October 21, 2006 at 05:40 am

Teddy will blame it all on the alcohol when confronted with anything. All sparkle baby cares about is getting its welfare check. That is the whole point for Dem supporters.


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2Hotel9 on October 21, 2006 at 05:40 am

FUCK YOU HOTEL! I work and go to graduate school, both full time you CUNT! I have never gotten welfare or unemployment or anything remotely like that so FUCK YOURSELF! We all know the lazy fuckers on disability all vote Republican. Frankly I think we have one or more in that situation right here or you guys wouldn’t be online all the time posting. So fess up, which ones of you weigh more than 225 lbs and are on disability? I know more than a few… FUCKING HYPOCRITES. All you guys care about is acting like fucking teenage boys and covering it up is no big deal. Like continuing to send our troops into an area where there will never be democracy (and if there is Khomeni will get elected) to die is no big deal. Fuck yourself. And I don’t support Dems either prick!


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Sparkie Arbuckle on October 21, 2006 at 05:56 am

The lady doth protest too much.


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on October 21, 2006 at 05:59 am
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Clearly, Sparkie can’t win on the merits of her argument...so she figures that if she curses and insults enough we’ll all come over to her way of thinking.


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Rob on October 21, 2006 at 06:02 am

Touched a nerve there, obviously.


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2Hotel9 on October 21, 2006 at 06:06 am

Clearly, Sparkie can’t win on the merits of her argument...so she figures that if she curses and insults enough we’ll all come over to her way of thinking.

Im not trying to convert anyone and Hotel was the one with the insults. That welfare check shit was a BUNCH OF FUCKING CRAP. Hotel doesnt know me and to say Im lazy when I work very hard PISSES ME THE FUCK OFF.
You guys all love Massachusetts. Its clear. I just thought you might not.


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Sparkie Arbuckle on October 21, 2006 at 06:08 am

Welfare types always get cranky after the 20th of the month because they’ve blown their monthly check.


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on October 21, 2006 at 06:15 am
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Sparkie....if 2H9 ticks you off then ignore him.  Launching into a foul-mouthed tirade doesn’t solve anything.


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Rob on October 21, 2006 at 06:17 am

You guys try to make me feel bad about having crap arguments but when someone suggests we look at current foreign policy under the GOP instead of trying to get after Teddy for shit from 1983 - even though everyone knows he’s a commie - you get bent out of shape and accuse me of being on welfare? And the moderator of the blog sticks up for you? You guys have no arguements. Current foreign policy and Iraq is FUCKING YOU GUYS IN THE ASS like Foley does little boys. And you are dodging shit.
Y’all must be on welfare huh hu hu.


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Sparkie Arbuckle on October 21, 2006 at 06:19 am
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I wasn’t sticking up for anyone, Sparkie.  I said that if 2H9 upsets you...cursing at him isn’t going to solve anything.

I didn’t even read most of the comments in this thread.


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Rob on October 21, 2006 at 06:23 am

Clearly, Sparkie can’t win on the merits of her argument...so she figures that if she curses and insults enough we’ll all come over to her way of thinking.

^right here you stick up for someone who just said Im on welfare and said i distract the issue. i dont give a shit if you dont read the thread. And i’m not a girl.


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Sparkie Arbuckle on October 21, 2006 at 06:26 am

My, my, the America hate is flying now. And you held your cover so well, for so long. Oh, well.


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2Hotel9 on October 21, 2006 at 06:29 am
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Ok, you’re a boy.

And I don’t see where pointing out your immaturity in this thread means I’m sticking up for anyone else.

Just grow up.


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Rob on October 21, 2006 at 06:29 am

The whole point of this article is that the Dems haven’t changed their tactics in the last twenty years.  Their strategy of demonizing Republicans and blaming them for the bad guys of the world hasn’t changed in over twenty years, and their policy of being afraid to engage the bad guys and stand up to them hasn’t changed, either.  The only reason Kennedy’s actions in 1983 are still relevant is that they are exactly what the Dems want to do today.  Duh.


John McCain is bad for America.

robert108 on October 21, 2006 at 06:49 am
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There is a perception that lefties are lazy and like living on welfare. There aren’t many that lean more to the left than I, so here is my slant which you all clearly want smile I work 10-14 hours a day, 6.5 days a week (Friday nights off), 51 weeks a year. Plus I am very fit as I swim, cycle and run too. Beat that you lazy right wing bastards!

I don’t have to work this much, I have enough money. I choose to, as I am doing research that interests me immensely.

We advocate unemployment benefits and similar because they offer a safety net to all our fellow workers. We may get laid-off at any time due to ‘restructuring’, ‘outsourcing’ etc., or be injured at work, so it is in our interest to collectively support social welfare since having a job or not can largely be outside of our control. Being a victim of circumstances outside of your control sucks, but social welfare lessens the blow.

And speaking of foreign policy:

Furthermore, the Bush administration, which I admit, has a certain genius in alienating people, has even succeeded in alienating Canada. That really takes talent. The Bush administration has lost a series of NAFTA cases against Canada, and naturally just told them to get lost. Well, you know, Canada is not too happy about that, and Canada has suggested it may start to divert a portion of their oil to China, instead of sending it here. Well, that means the US’s capacity to control the resources of the hemisphere on which it relies is declining sharply. They may also succeed in losing control over Middle East oil, which really takes genius, but that’s another story.--Noam Chomsky

...a safety net to all our fellow workers.

A safety net encourages risky behavior, like not saving for retirement.  Oh, and when I want to know the truth about the US, the last person I would consult would be that liar, Noam Chomsky.


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robert108 on October 21, 2006 at 07:18 am

We advocate unemployment benefits

Nice strawman argument.  Who said we were against unemployment insurance?  If anyone would be against it it would be the person who calls themselves anarchist.

I work 10-14 hours a day, 6.5 days a week (Friday nights off), 51 weeks a year.

I don’t actually believe you, but that really doesn’t matter.

If you care and can understand, the unemployment insurance is good policy because it provides a shock absorber to the economy.  Workers knowing that there is a transitional support out there won’t cut back their own spending as much when their concerned about the economy.  If it wasn’t there, bad news would cause people to quit spending which would push us deeper into a recession.

I just want the unemployment insurance run wisely.


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on October 21, 2006 at 07:19 am

The Bush administration has lost a series of NAFTA cases against Canada, and naturally just told them to get lost.

They did the right thing. The idea that we should pay Canada tens of millions of dollars because we made a law making it illegal for them to continue selling us poisonous additives for our fuel is stupid. The whole ‘pay millions’ or poison your citizens thing is really dumb. Bush camp is correct. Lots of the NAFTA laws are really stupid too.


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Sparkie Arbuckle on October 21, 2006 at 07:20 am

TW: Not having the safety net of unemployment insurance(which is ultimately paid for by the worker) would make people more choosy about where they worked, and about their work habits.  It would also give everyone more money in their pocket, which would expand the economy and eliminate some unemployment in the first place.  In addition, the absence of a safety net would stimulate the temporary unemployed to make their unemployment far less temporary.  They would have more incentive to find another job as quickly as possible.


John McCain is bad for America.

robert108 on October 21, 2006 at 07:25 am

Robert:  I don’t see a problem with a limited-time unemployment system.  Giving people a bit of time to find a better job isn’t a bad thing.

The problem in my mind isn’t that there’s a unemployment program, it’s that it’s misused.  People that take seasonal jobs (knowing they are seasonal) shouldn’t expect to take the rest of the year off.

They should be either looking for work or down at the unemployment office copying Latin texts or something.


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on October 21, 2006 at 07:34 am
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...the last person I would consult would be that liar, Noam Chomsky.--Robert108

All you need to do if you think he’s a liar is go through all his citations and prove that his sources aren’t credible or that he’s fabricating. Can’t be that hard.

If anyone would be against it [unemployment insurance] would be the person who calls themselves anarchist.--The Whistler

I wouldn’t want to deny anyone food/shelter/clothing or whatever else even if they weren’t economically productive. I think that is consistent with anarchist beliefs. The method would be different, not the intent.

Chomsky is a Marxist, and therefore has no understanding of free people making free choices.  He is a liar because his beliefs are based on Marxist lies.


John McCain is bad for America.

robert108 on October 21, 2006 at 07:49 am

TW: I just pointed out some of the problems with unemployment “insurance”.  It’s a cost/benefit decision, not a social welfare one.  All welfare programs do is increase one group’s welfare at the expense of another group.  The real question is: Who should benefit from what society produces, and who should make that decision?


John McCain is bad for America.

robert108 on October 21, 2006 at 07:52 am
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Who should benefit from what society produces, and who should make that decision?--Robert108

Everyone and everyone.

BTW, Chomsky is an anarchist.

Everyone and everyone.

The consequences of that are stagnation and deprivation, not to mention the ripping-off of the productive members of society.  It is a strategy of failure and immorality.

BTW, Chomsky is an admitted Marxist, which, if you don’t know, is a faux anarchist.


John McCain is bad for America.

robert108 on October 21, 2006 at 08:00 am
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People that take seasonal jobs (knowing they are seasonal) shouldn’t expect to take the rest of the year off.

Whistler,

Does that include educators?

Bat One on October 21, 2006 at 09:27 am
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I don’t know why you guys run with this thing until it’s been proven.  Weren’t you pissed off at Murtha for doing the same thing?

gregdn on October 21, 2006 at 09:35 am
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I don’t know why you guys run with this thing until it’s been proven.

It’s payback for all those nice things that were said about Karl Rove during the 3 years of Valerie Plame/Joe Wilson nonsense.

Still… if the Democrats could only manage to get Sandy Berger into the old KGB archives building, Kennedy and his fellow travelers might be able to salvage some minor bit of credibility.

Bat One on October 21, 2006 at 09:43 am

Weren’t you pissed off at Murtha for doing the same thing?

Not even close to the same thing.  This guy investigated and did the research to write a book; Murtha shot off his mouth at a press conference.  Big difference.  Nice try, though.


John McCain is bad for America.

robert108 on October 21, 2006 at 12:09 pm

Rob...Have you seen the book? It wouldn’t surprise me if it were true. BUT before I make judgment on it I may have to go get the book. Robert108… Have you read the book or know anything about the author? It sounds interesting!

Zsa Zsa on October 21, 2006 at 05:05 pm
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