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Why are you offended that someone went straight and is happy about it?

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

I’m not offended by that at all. I do think the Christian ‘homo curing’ Churches and groups are a bizarre phenomenon though.

"My Daddy Changed… Now I exist.”

This is funny. If we take this argument seriously--that the birth of a child is a good thing because unborn babies have an interest in living--we’d have to treat abstinence and contraception as immoral as well. That baby wouldn’t exist if the father had chosen to wear a condom (or if he had chosen abstinence).

Good insight Dave_Comet. Hee hee hee. The porn industry wastes thousand of potential babies a day. I’d like to see an ex-porn star or a welfare-recieving father of 12 holding a sign like that. I bet the church has porn star reforming groups too - that seems a bit more useful to me.

Also - that sign looks suspuciously photoshopped. I wouldn’t be surprised if the fellow at brainsturbator.com doctored it for use in the piece.

Sparkie,

The part that bugs me is that I don’t give a fat rat’s ass what anybody does in the privacy of their bedroom. I don’t care if someone’s gay. I don’t care if someone is a lesbian. I don’t care if two consenting adults want to dress up like Teddy Roosevelt and Little Bo Peep and chase each other around the house yelling, “Charge!!!!”

This guy displaying that sign is on the same level with gays demanding that everyone accept what they do. Just do it. I don’t care. But I don’t want to know about this idiot’s private life any more than I do about anyone else’s. He should keep his signs, and his private life, to himself.

Election ‘08 - We Are So Screwed

Pilgrim.
He’s not having sex on the sidewalk ok buddy?

I’m not sure which is funnier...Christian organizations that think 100% of homosexuality is “curable” or liberals like Sparkie trying to earn their bona fides by acting that 100% of homosexual behavior is innate (rather than behavioral, and can be “unlearned").

I know this be a surprising thought to Sparkie...but isn’t it possible that some fraction (definitely not all, maybe only 5%) of people who exhibit homosexual behavior might be mentally ill, and that their homosexual behavior is a manifestation of that mental illness?

To illustrate the point, consider the case of a person who is “functionally deaf”.  That person’s hearing is completely normal, but they behave as if they’re biologically deaf.  In some cases this is to “fit in” to the deaf community, in others it’s a learned behavior.

I’m just pointing out that just as there are biologically deaf & functionally deaf people, there are most likely biologically homosexual and functionally homosexual individuals as well.

Just as I’m sure there are most likely biologically and functionally heterosexual individuals.

I don’t understand the church’s obsession with sex and homosexuality. I think the people who are fixated on condemning people for their sexual preferences are deeply, deeply disturbed. In fact, all these anti-gay conservatives being outted recently kind of lends to that suspicion. The more outspoken you are agaisnt this stuff, the more likely it is that you have issues with your own sexuality.

liberals like Sparkie trying to earn their bona fides by acting that 100% of homosexual behavior is innate (rather than behavioral, and can be “unlearned")

When did I act like that? Strawman! Maybe you are right and some is behavioral… but the usage of ‘mentally ill’ these Christians are employing centers around a person’s sexual orientation (as a surrogate or analogue for guaging their mental state) and not their actual mental state. They are essentially saying all gay people are insane or mentally ill because they are gay and they are gay because they are mentally ill. Its foolish circular logic based around certain moral stances. Its creepy, as brainsturbator.com points out…

I think it’d be great if homosexuality was a “mental illness” and we could “cure” these people.

I also think alchemy would be great. Gold....precious gold! (That was the Jewish half of me talkin’ there.)

I don’t understand the church’s obsession with sex and homosexuality.

Damb religion always seems to get in the way. I believe it was in the bible. You just didn’t ask that question.

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Sparkie, some people who engage in homosexual behavior are mentally ill.  And for some of those, the homosexual behavior may well be a manifestation of the mental illness.

The sign you have in your link says “My Daddy changed… I exist… It’s Possible!” That doesn’t say 1) all gay people are mentally ill or 2) that all gay people could become straight...if they just wanted to.  It seems obvious to me that your jeering at his sign is little more than the usual “look at me, I’m cool, I’m hip with gay people, I only attack gay people if they’re Republican” position of modern liberals.

That’s not to say there aren’t Christians who think that “they are essentially saying all gay people are insane or mentally ill because they are gay and they are gay because they are mentally ill.” I wouldn’t even be surprised even this guy thought that.  But your photo doesn’t show that.

It seems to me that you and the Brainsturbator dudes are the ones leaping to conclusions as to what the demonstrator thinks.  I mean really… you want me to take this crap seriously

The sight of a constipated-looking Man of God standing with a microphone before a group of people,

The guy in the stupid photo isn’t even standing with a microphone (that’s a baby in stroller for you non-breeders), doesn’t look particularly constipated, and isn’t nearly as silly looking as the woman doing calisthenics using two filled coffee cups beside him.

“My Daddy changed… I exist… It’s Possible!” That doesn’t say 1) all gay people are mentally ill or 2) that all gay people could become straight...if they just wanted to.

He’s not having sex on the sidewalk ok buddy?

Sigh. You know Sparkie, every time I think you may be on to something you go and say something stupid. Your point that the whole thing was freaky was a good one. I was surprised until I considered that even a blind squirrel finds an acorn once in a while.

My point was that these things are private behaviour and should be treated as such. Hey...here’s an idea. Try being analytical once in a while instead of just trying to be the skunk at the party.

Election ‘08 - We Are So Screwed

Just as I’m sure there are most likely biologically and functionally heterosexual individuals.

Well, Duh!  If the vast majority of humans weren’t heterosexual, the human race would have ceased to exist long ago.  To put it in Darwinian terms, the “genetic” homosexuals were eliminated from the gene pool, leaving the ones who chose the right means of reproduction to proliferate.  Again, Duh!

Leftie political philosophy, from a DU commenter:

It doesn’t matter if it’s true or not. RUMOR IS TRUTH. The modern laws of media hype and political warfare have a useful tenet: Repeat ANYTHING or raise false concern over ANYTHING and it is likely to be planted in the conscious/subconscious of many voters.

I find Sparkie’s description of the man in the picture about as accurate as the NYT’s spin on the Rumsfeld memo.  In other words, completely false.

Leftie political philosophy, from a DU commenter:

It doesn’t matter if it’s true or not. RUMOR IS TRUTH. The modern laws of media hype and political warfare have a useful tenet: Repeat ANYTHING or raise false concern over ANYTHING and it is likely to be planted in the conscious/subconscious of many voters.

Chad said, In fact, all these anti-gay conservatives being outted recently kind of lends to that suspicion.

It must be pointed out for the record that “anti-gay” in Chad’s view is being against the concept of “gay marriage”.

that is just for one to imagine as you begin reading the whole piece because the image of the constipated man of god is funny. its not describing the man above. although pointing out that he doesn’t appear to be constipated, therefore sparkie’s wrong… is funny. and a little freaky. i think the starbucks is evidence he hasn’t reformed too much…

Howdy, the article is mine, and I didn’t photoshop it because I’m not bright enough.  It could have easily been photoshopped before I got it, but having been at a protest like that at our state capital, it’s not unusual.

Also, it’s not like the Fred Phelps stuff was photoshopped, they really do have “GOD HATES FAGS” and “THANK GOD FOR DEAD SOLDIERS” signs.

I agree with the thousands-of-years belief that homosexuality is wrong and perverted. 

That’s even before looking at the practice in an objective manner and seeing that actuarial data that shows it is still the primary vector of AIDs/HIV and that it vastly cuts the life expectancy of those engaging in unprotected anal intercourse with multiple partners. 

That’s also before examining the disproportionate homosexual trend for pederasty versus heterosexual child abuse (although I don’t know if this requires excluding all hot female homeroom teachers who boff 14 year old boys, which I happened to miss as a 14 year old.... dammit).

It does call into question the independent judgment of the field of psychiatry, only approximately one-third of whom voted to declare it NOT to be a mental illness in the mid-1970’s after coming under pressure by the inmates.

That ‘ick’ factor is there for a reason.  It’s just plain wrong.  It is properly up to society as to what is to be considered right and wrong—not forced down society’s throat by a junta of black-robed judges.  Their job is to interpret the law, not create the law, since that is properly the exclusive province of the legislature.

Finally, it is not a privacy issue.  If it were simply that, this modern-day plague would be strictly confined to homosexuals and it would be their own little private problem.  But while it may have been imported into the US in the body of a homosexual male steward, it has broken out into the needle and blood-sharing population, and endangering the lives of every American.

It’s no longer a privacy issue when NAMBLA and the ACLU mass legal offensives against the Boy Scouts of America so they can have access to other people’s twelve-year-old boys. 

It’s no longer a privacy issue when they demand that society go 180 degrees against their centrally-held beliefs and recognize a perverted pairing and demand that it be blessed with the same stature as the religious pairing of one man and one woman. 

It’s no longer a privacy issue when they demand custody of children in the form of adoption.  That’s practically sentencing a child to homosexual abuse in the unsupervised ‘privacy’ of a den of pederasts.  That’s a total abdication of the need to protect children of tender years.

If you could just relegate it to two consenting adults behind closed doors, I’m libertarian enough to say, ‘fine, have at it boys’ but the fact is, homosexuals are pushing aggressively for suppressing any mention of dissent.  They wish to suppress and ultimately destroy the religion that condemns their practice.  They’re not asking for acceptance and tolerance, they demand dominance.

I’m not buying it.  It’s just plain wrong.

...for great justice

In your maze of garbled logic you’re making some fairly sweeping generalizations and lumping a lot of things that you think are “icky” together. A few points to clarify:

- NAMBLA has nothing to do with homosexuality.
- The ACLU has nothing to do with homosexuality.
- No one gives a shit about your religion.
- If you’d prefer a child have no home, instead of being adopted by homosexuals, you obviously hate children. 
- LMFAO @ homosexual dominance.

I mean seriously, from what I’ve seen, they’re just asking for the right to marry the person they love, and maybe adopt a kid or two. Those are some pretty basic rights that I think everyone is entitled to. If you don’t agree, then you’re no better than the people who, not that long ago, decried interracial marriages because “they’re icky”. Grow the fuck up.

I mean seriously, from what I’ve seen, they’re just asking for the right to marry the person they love, and maybe adopt a kid or two.

Neither you, nor your small minority pressure group, has the right to change the definitions of marriage and family to suit your selfish personal agenda.

NAMBLA is men having sex with boys; how homosexual can you get?
ACLU promotes the agenda of imposing homosexuality on the majority in this country through the courts.
Most of us do “give a shit” about religion; you are free to be an atheist, but not to impose your hatred of religion on us.
The choice is normal parents or gay “parents”, not “gay” parents or no parents.  Gay “couples” are a tiny minority of prospective adopters, and are not a significant element, one way or the other.

Leftie political philosophy, from a DU commenter:

It doesn’t matter if it’s true or not. RUMOR IS TRUTH. The modern laws of media hype and political warfare have a useful tenet: Repeat ANYTHING or raise false concern over ANYTHING and it is likely to be planted in the conscious/subconscious of many voters.

Neither you, nor your small minority pressure group, has the right to change the definitions of marriage and family to suit your selfish personal agenda.

It’s not my personal agenda. My girlfriend and I could get married any time we want, but we’ve chosen not to until everyone who wants to get married in this country, can. We’re not fans of supressing the rights of minorities just because some hate-filled 2000 year old jewish myth says it’s wrong.

NAMBLA is men having sex with boys; how homosexual can you get?

Pedophilia, like rape, has nothing to do with sexuality, homo or otherwise. It’s about violence. Homosexuals condem NAMBLA.

ACLU promotes the agenda of imposing homosexuality on the majority in this country through the courts.

The ACLU stands up for the civil rights of minorities, not just homosexuals.

Most of us do “give a shit” about religion; you are free to be an atheist, but not to impose your hatred of religion on us.

How am I imposing anything on you? Why do you give a shit if I hate religion? You’re the one trying to deny rights to others, as christians have a tendency to do. I happen to think that’s wrong. It’s called separation of state; look it up.

The choice is normal parents or gay “parents”, not “gay” parents or no parents.  Gay “couples” are a tiny minority of prospective adopters, and are not a significant element, one way or the other.

Wow, this one is pretty stupid, even coming from you. Your ignorance never ceases to amaze me, 108. Well done.

So I suppose there are no orphans in this country right now? Every single child has a home? Until there’s a shortage of orphans for straight parents to adopt, your argument makes no sense.

Homosexuality has been considered an abomination in Western culture since at least the days of Sodom and Gomorrah, estimated by some to have existed between 3200 and 2800 BC.

Gen 19:4-28 But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter: And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.

Leviticus 18:22: “You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.”

Leviticus 20:13 ”If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall be put to death, their blood is upon them.”

Since that time in Christian culture at least, it has been deemed an abhorrent practice and deviant mental condition.

It was only taken out of the American Psychiatric Association’s Diagnostic And Statistical Manual On Mental Disorders (DSM) due to the aggressive tactics of of homosexual activists who “began disrupting APA meetings, grabbing microphones and shouting down any psychiatrist who considered homosexuality to be a mental disorder.”

Thus, the status was not changed due to any reasoned medical or scientiifc consensus, it was sheer intimidation of some weenie shrinks. 

And to attempt to distance homosexuality from pederasty would be laughable, were not young children involved.  Homosexuals have sought out young boys since at least the time of ancient Greece and it continues to this day.  Lamda Legal and the ACLU have aggressively been pushing for access to little boys by suing the Boy Scouts of America, seeking to overturn state sodomy and underage rape laws and of course, homosexual adoption.  I actually had a small part in the Supreme Court Dale v. BSA case, as my office submitted an amicus brief in support of the Boy Scouts of America.  I can say this, that the homosexual push for access to little boys is widespread, persistant and aggressive.

NAMBLA And Homosexual Activism
Pedophiles And Homosexual Activists Push For Total Sexual Liberation

In August, 2003, the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) filed a lawsuit against the state of Kansas over the state’s criminal sodomy law involving children. The ACLU is defending Matthew Limon, a homosexual who committed sodomy against a 14-year-old boy in 2000. At the time of his crime, Simon was 18 years old. The ACLU is claiming that Limon’s conviction is unconstitutionally discriminatory because the penalties for sodomy with a minor are different than for heterosexual sex with a minor.

Homosexuals attack children at a rate far above the norm and far outside their proportion to the straight population.

Dr. Judith Reisman, in her book, Kinsey, Crimes & Consequences, describes the research done by Dr. Gene Abel. This researcher compared the molestation rates of self-confessed homosexual and heterosexual child molesters. In a sample of 153 homosexual molesters, they confessed to a total of 22,981 molestations. This is equivalent to 150 children per molester. Self-admitted heterosexual molesters admitted to 4,435 molestations. This comes to 19.8 victims per molester. Dr. Abel concluded that homosexuals “sexually molest young boys at an incidence that is occurring from five times greater than the molestation of girls.”

And while some may discount my religion, the vast, overwhelming majority of Americans count themselves as Christians, even if their practice ranges from devout to Christmas and Easter only attendance.

I see absolutely no reason, moral, medical, scientific or legal, to change the fact that homosexuality is morally wrong, mentally deviant, medically dangerous and destructive to society as a whole and specifically dangerous to young boys.

...for great justice

Wow, this one is pretty stupid, even coming from you. Your ignorance never
ceases to amaze me, 108. Well done.

Any numbers? Without the numbers, your puerile insult is just so much hot air.  I’m right, and you know it.

So I suppose there are no orphans in this country right now? Every single child has a home? Until there’s a shortage of orphans for straight parents
to adopt, your argument makes no sense.

Are their any normal couple who want to adopt that can’t find a child to adopt?  If you can’t answer that question in the negative, you have no argument.

BTW, if you and your “girlfriend” are living together without being married, you are in exactly the same position as a gay couple.  Feel oppressed by that?  As I said, a small, special interest group has no right to impose their selfish desires on the vast majority.  How many gays even want to be “married”?  It’s a minority of a minority, and you want to force it on us.  Shame on you!

Leftie political philosophy, from a DU commenter:

It doesn’t matter if it’s true or not. RUMOR IS TRUTH. The modern laws of media hype and political warfare have a useful tenet: Repeat ANYTHING or raise false concern over ANYTHING and it is likely to be planted in the conscious/subconscious of many voters.

Zig,

You’re just reitterating the same tired, broken arguments you posted the first time, only now you think adding links to ultra-conservative propaganda sites somehow makes them more credible. Oh I guess you did add one thing new, you added a link to a laughable attempt at a scientific study. Trying to draw a correlation between the number of instances that each offender has perpetrated and the total number of offences in a given population isn’t just scientifically wrong, it doesn’t even make sense.

Check out this link, debunking your “study” and probably any other bogus, conservative-funded, fake study that you might want to dig up.

And 108, you poor persecuted white christian male. How we all feel for the gay marriage that’s being “forced” on you...oh wait, legalizing gay marriage doesn’t mean that *you* actually have to marry someone of the same sex. It doesn’t effect you, so why do you care?

I restate my theory that the more anti-gay you are, the more likely it is that you are fighting some sort of sexual insecurities in yourself, like your good friend Pastor Ted Haggart, and so many other ultra-conservative christians.

You know who else hated gays? The Nazis, who were also rabbid christians.

The Nazis, who were also rabbid christians.

Another leftie lie; the Nazis were not Christians, and Christians are not “rabid”, unlike you chad, who are a rabid antiChristian bigot.
I’m not anti-gay; I just object to a small, special interest group trying to use partisan political influence in the courts to force a change in the definitions of marriage and family.  The vast majority of us don’t want it, and that is proven every time we have a chance to vote on it.  In case you haven’t noticed, that’s the way we do things in a free country.  In you leftie totalitarian world, though, the minority forces their way on the majority, like in Saddam’s Iraq, Stalin’s Soviet Union, Mao’s China and all the other socialist dictatorships.  No voting there.

Leftie political philosophy, from a DU commenter:

It doesn’t matter if it’s true or not. RUMOR IS TRUTH. The modern laws of media hype and political warfare have a useful tenet: Repeat ANYTHING or raise false concern over ANYTHING and it is likely to be planted in the conscious/subconscious of many voters.

The truth has a quality of being immutable, because it is the truth. 

There is hope.  Psychological professionals can help you work through this.

You can start by repeating this affirmation to yourself:

“I will NOT suck dicks.. I will NOT suck dicks..”

...for great justice

...legalizing gay marriage doesn’t mean that *you* actually have to marry someone of the same sex. It doesn’t effect you, so why do you care?

Chad,

You seem to be suggesting that only those who are effected by an issue should have a say in the outcome.  While I’ve known sixth-graders who could see through the inanity of this pitiful argument at the drop of a participle, apparently you just aren’t that smart.  After all, by that “logic,” only those of us who actually pay taxes should have a say in how that money is spent.

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Chad: The redefinition of marriage and family affects every citizen in this country, especially if it is done by strongarming it through the courts with a phony “rights” argument calculated to force the agenda of a small minority on the vast majority, strictly for the selfish desires of that small minority.  Duh.

Leftie political philosophy, from a DU commenter:

It doesn’t matter if it’s true or not. RUMOR IS TRUTH. The modern laws of media hype and political warfare have a useful tenet: Repeat ANYTHING or raise false concern over ANYTHING and it is likely to be planted in the conscious/subconscious of many voters.

Even if one were to ignore the loathsomeness of homosexuality, to look at it in a completely value-free manner, the data would overwhelmingly show that it is a fatally dangerous practice.

Homosexual activitists have devoted great energy in vehemently denying that HIV/AIDs are primarily a homosexual problem, the those pesky facts keep leaking through.  Ultimately, even the homosexuals have come to admit that it is a ‘gay disease’

See, I knew they’d get it in the end..

heh heh.

Latest Proof of Low Heterosexual AIDS Risk

-- CDC HIV/AIDS Surveillance Report 1997 Year-End
More and more scientific evidence is mounting that the scare everyone tactics to get funding etc. is based on a myth more than fact. Instead of scaring the wrong people with false information about the heterosexual risk, why not devote such effort and resources to reach drug users and tell heterosexual women simply to avoid anal sex if they are not sure their partner is not using drugs or bisexual.

Media, AIDS, and Truth

At least since 1986, the government has been misleading the public on the extent of the AIDS epidemic. That was when the federal Centers for Disease Control decided to move all AIDS sufferers of African or Haitian origin into the category of heterosexual AIDS cases. A man from Zaire who had had sex with a dozen other men, shared needles, and had a blood transfusion would, upon diagnosis, automatically be put into the heterosexual category because of his origin.

HIV INFECTION AS LEADING CAUSE OF DEATH IN YOUNG ADULTS?

...for great justice