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Friday, October 26, 2007

Core Conservative Beliefs

Bookworm

While I don’t agree with 100% of everything here, I submit it as thought-provoking.

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Immigration

Core Conservative Belief: Conservatives believe in immigration as an important part of American vibrancy.  They also believe that America is weakening itself by allowing illegal immigrants to stream into the country unchecked, both because this influx saps America’s sovereignty over her citizens and because the illegal immigrant pathways can also serve terrorists.

Progressive Belief: It’s racist to keep illegal immigrants out of the country.  For that reason, there should not be any hurdles in the illegal immigrant’s path to the full panoply of American rights and welfare services.

The Supreme Court

Core Conservative Belief: Conservatives believe that the role of the Supreme Court is to examine state and federal laws, and lower court decisions to determine whether they comport with the written Constitution.  An even lowest common denominator belief is that the Supreme Court should examine only whether federal matters comport with the written Constitution, and to interfere with states only if the states enact laws that conflict or overlap with federal matters.

Progressive Belief: The Supreme Court is to decide what is right and what is wrong - and it can get help for this by looking to each justice’s own private standards of morality, to dominant cultural trends, and to foreign systems.  Having examined the moral position, the Court should then direct policy consistent with its findings.

Abortion

Core Conservative Belief:  Whether you’re pro-Choice or pro-Life, Conservatives who are being honest with themselves admit that Roe v. Wade was a badly decided opinion that, without any Constitutional authorization, represented a federal power grab of something that ought to be a states’ rights issue.  Roe v. Wade should be overturned, so that the question of abortion can be returned to the states, where it belongs.  An alternative, of course, is to amend the Constitution so that it specifically allows or disallows abortion.

Progressive Belief:  Abortion is an absolute, fundamental right that must remain inviolate.  The main reason Progressives must win the White House is to put a stop to the Originalist Supreme Court justices that Conservatives have placed, and will continue to place, on the Supreme Court.  Only a Democratic President will appoint justices who will maintain Roe v. Wade’s existence.

The Iraq War

Core Conservative Belief: Conservatives believe that, whether or not we made the right decision in 2003 to invade Iraq, it is a done deal.  Our only responsibility now is to fight wholeheartedly and to win.

Progressive Belief: President Bush got us into the War to for nefarious reasons, mostly to satisfy his oil buddies in Texas and Cheney’s friends at Halliburton.  Now, to punish the President and the whole corrupt Bush Administration, we must leave Iraq immediately, regardless of the consequences to America, to Iraq, or to world security.

Islamic Terrorism

Core Conservative Belief: (a) Islamic terrorism is real, (b) it is the product of a totalitarian religious ideology that has as its ultimate goal the destruction of non-Muslim Western culture, (c) there is no middle ground given its goal, and (d) we must fight it.

Progressive Belief: Islamic terrorism is the work of a few people angry at the US (and especially at George Bush), and the best thing we can do to placate these people is to (a) leave Iraq; (b) abandon Israel; (c) dump George Bush; and (d) engage in dialogue with the Islamic leaders.

Taxes

Core Conservative Belief: Government is a bad money manager. People make money grow, and lower taxes allow for a livelier, growing economy.  The inevitable result of trusting people with their own money is that the government, despite lower taxes, sees increased revenue (which is nicely balanced out by lower costs).

Progressive Belief: People cannot be trusted to make the right decisions with their money. It’s better if the government takes and redistributes wealth, notwithstanding the fact that doing so slows the economy.

Religion

Lowest common denominator Conservative beliefs:  (a) Religion is a good thing; (b) It’s okay if people’s religious values shape their political beliefs; (c) It’s okay to acknowledge America’s predominant Christianity by nodding to Christmas and Easter, as long as no one is forced to observe those holidays or discriminated against for not observing those holidays; (d) People should be free to worship without government interference in their beliefs; (e) Neither government nor business should be forced to change their practices to accommodate one belief system over others (see here and here for examples of some of the changes demanded).

Progressive Belief:  Traditional Christianity is dangerous and must be stifled at all costs, everywhere.  Islam has some problems but, to make up for the damage the Bush Administration has done to our standing in the Muslim world, we must accommodate Islamic demands in America.

America

Core Conservative Belief:  While America has flaws, we are proud of her, since we believe that the American system and American values are the best human systems of governance yet created.

Progressive Belief:  America is an imperialist bully that seeks to destroy non-white people, whether within or outside of America.  Her power must be reined in at all costs.

Government

Core Conservative Belief:  Conservatives believe in Thoreau’s dictum that “That government is best which governs least.” Much as they are proud of America, Conservatives trust American people more than any government.  To them, government is an artifice that can only legitimately govern with the consent of the governed. Conservatives also believe that individuals are smarter with respect to their own interest than the collective wisdom of government.

Progressive Belief:  Progressives believe that government is responsible for fulfilling all citizen needs in all ways.  They also believe that the government’s collective wisdom about individual interests is greater than individuals’ own knowledge about themselves.

Gun Control

Core Conservative Belief:  Conservatives believe that the only way a people can remain free is to have their Second Amendment right to carry arms.  They like to point to Nazi Germany as an example of what can happen when a government with totalitarian tendencies successfully denies its people the right to carry arms.  Conservatives also believe that, when guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.  They like to point to London and Washington, D.C., as examples of what happens when ordinary citizens are denied access to arms.

Progressive Belief:  The risks associated with guns are so high that it is government’s moral obligation to try to remove them from the population entirely, even if that effort is imperfect (see, e.g., London and Washington, D.C.)

The Nature of Human Beings

Core Conservative Belief:  Conservatives believe that human nature is a combination of good and bad and that society’s role is to control people’s bad impulses through checks and balances that permit people’s good sides to flourish.

Progressive Belief:  Progressives believe that humans and society are products of their environment and, therefore, perfectible. The role of society is to mold people into better individuals and, ergo, better societies.

Multiculturalism

Core Conservative Belief:  Conservatives’ idea of multiculturalism is still the old Melting Pot idea:  people who want to come here should buy into our basic systems of values and history, learn to speak English, and enrich our culture with their background while merging with the whole.

Progressive Belief:  Progressives believe that every other culture is superior to American culture, so immigrants and ethnic enclaves should be encouraged to remain separate and distinct.  Not only that, they believe that it is the responsibility of ordinary Americans to yield in every instance when there is a conflict between the dominant American culture and an ethnic subculture.

Climate Change

Core Conservative Belief:  Conservatives believe that climate change is happening, but they do not believe that the debate is settled as to the anthropocentric idea that it is entirely the West’s fault.  They recognize that the earth’s climate is in a constant state of flux, and want more, less politically charged, information before panic begins.  They like the idea of alternative energy sources, since they not only enjoy clean air and water, but would also like to see fewer Petrodollars flow to tyrannically governed nations.  Again, though, they do not believe in going off half cocked.

Progressive Belief:  Progressives believe that humans are entirely responsible for climate change, that it is an impending catastrophe that could potentially end our way of life, and that the only thing to be done is to take drastic measures, even if they undermine entirely modern civilization.

Not bad.

Comments

Core Conservative Belief:  Whether you’re pro-Choice or pro-Life

WRONG. WRONG. WRONG. WRONG. WRONG. WRONG. WRONG. WRONG. WRONG. WRONG. WRONG. WRONG. WRONG. WRONG. WRONG. WRONG. WRONG. WRONG. WRONG. WRONG. WRONG. WRONG.

Pro Choice is NOT a conservative belief. And until many of you get that through your heads, you’re NOT a conservative. Since when did fiscal conservatives purchase the conservative name?


Why should we have less abortions if you’re not really killing someone?

george on October 27, 2007 at 07:08 am

Pro Choice is NOT a conservative belief. And until many of you get that through your heads, you’re NOT a conservative.

Preaching to the choir on that one.

You kind of missed the greater point though george. Roe vs Wade is a bad decision. It either needs to be clarified in the US Constitution or it needs to fall back to the states. That’s the main point that needs hammered home.

likwidshoe on October 27, 2007 at 07:21 am

Yes, george, you missed it.  Your emotional reaction upon reading the first clause of the first sentence, and you stopped taking in information at that point. 
Did you comprehend anything after that point?


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robert108 on October 27, 2007 at 08:05 am

Since when did killing someone become a state’s issue? It’s a damn global basic human right!

You sit there in your high tower pussy-footing your way around the proper way to save life while unborn children die. Some days I can just puke thinking about what it would be like to live in some of your heads… being bound by the shackles of a legal system you trumpet that allow children to be killed.


Why should we have less abortions if you’re not really killing someone?

george on October 27, 2007 at 09:00 am

You sit there in your high tower pussy-footing your way around the proper way to save life while unborn children die.

george, you’re just wrong.  That is just one of the statements in this piece I don’t agree with.  Get over yourself and start thinking again, dude.


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robert108 on October 27, 2007 at 09:12 am

george - Since when did killing someone become a state’s issue? It’s a damn global basic human right!

Then the proper course of action would be to codify it into the US Constitution so that it isn’t a state issue, but rather a proper federal one.

...being bound by the shackles of a legal system you trumpet that allow children to be killed.

Well hell george, let’s just forget all of the legal mumbo jumbo and go straight to a dictatorship then. Things would be so much easier then. No more “bound by the shackles of a legal system” when you can just ignore it!

Wait a minute...that isn’t right because that’s what gave us the Roe vs Wade decision to begin with.

The “shackles” were broken off a long time ago george. Now we, as a nation, have to deal with bad decisions and vaguely written laws on the federal level that have no Constitutional basis. The proper demarcation of federal and state powers have been ignored all in the name of “pro-choice” and on the other side of the same coin, the pro-life people such as yourself who endorse ignoring the law.

likwidshoe on October 27, 2007 at 09:26 am

likwid: Thanks for the voice of reason.  I didn’t take the original statement to be that conservatives are pro-abortion, but that even pro-abortion lefties should realize that Roe is bad law.  Even Ruth Bader Ginsberg said so before they muzzled her.
I don’t consider george a conservative, either.  He’s more of a self-righteous, totalitarian reactionary.


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robert108 on October 27, 2007 at 10:02 am

Well hell george, let’s just forget all of the legal mumbo jumbo and go straight to a dictatorship then.

Which law was it again that stopped slavery? Wait, it wasn’t a law that stopped…

I don’t consider george a conservative, either.  He’s more of a self-righteous, totalitarian reactionary.

[calling names helps makes me feel better about myself]


Why should we have less abortions if you’re not really killing someone?

george on October 27, 2007 at 11:35 am

[calling names helps makes me feel better about myself]

We already knew that about you, george.  Actually, I wanted to distance myself from your hate-filled ranting, because I am a conservative, and you’re not.


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robert108 on October 27, 2007 at 11:48 am

The problem is that you 2 do not understand the pro-life issue.

To you, it’s on par (or maybe below) the priority of raising taxes for example. It’s not the right thing to do, but you’ll be civil about changing that.

The difference is that to me, abortion is not like immigration, taxes, social security, medicare, health care, or gun control. It is different because it is legalized murder. You do not fully understand that. You might claim you do, but you don’t. It’s a great concept, and it should be taken care of whenever the right person gets around to doing it.

If you had an innocent family member or your closest friend who was to be put to death by law, I would think, and hope, you’d bring heaven and earth to save them.

I shudder to think you’d want it to be a state’s issue.


Why should we have less abortions if you’re not really killing someone?

george on October 27, 2007 at 12:15 pm

george: You’re just another totalitarian who doesn’t trust the American people.


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robert108 on October 27, 2007 at 12:28 pm

george - The problem is that you 2 do not understand the pro-life issue.

To you, it’s on par (or maybe below) the priority of raising taxes for example.

You do not speak for me. Nobody appointed you to be my messenger.

Have a little respect.

likwidshoe on October 27, 2007 at 12:45 pm

You do not speak for me. Nobody appointed you to be my messenger.

I’m waiting for you to prove me wrong.


Why should we have less abortions if you’re not really killing someone?

george on October 27, 2007 at 04:16 pm

I’m waiting for you to prove me wrong.

Prove you wrong about what? The words you are putting into my mouth?

My goodness, george. Learn how to debate.

likwidshoe on October 27, 2007 at 04:24 pm

george, if you believe that abortion is “legalized murder” (and I can’t really disagree with that statement considering that I say the same thing) AND you believe that there is no legal way to reverse it, then there is only one option: get a gun or some other deadly force and start killing the abortionists. It’s war and it can’t be legally fixed, right? Am I catching your drift yet?

Would you like their names and addresses? I’ve got no problem giving you directions.

likwidshoe on October 27, 2007 at 04:28 pm

Get to work george. No mercy. No tears. No complaints from me. Justice served proper - cross those names out.

I, however, will personally argue taking the legal way. I will continue to argue in favor of federalism and against bad judicial decisions that trump state sovereignty (because like it or not, the unborn aren’t recognized as citizens).

I’m not sure what I’m supposed to “prove you wrong” on, but those are my stances.

likwidshoe on October 27, 2007 at 04:35 pm

Killing is NEVER the answer, and nothing I suggested. There is a group called the “lambs of Christ” who did block clinics, and that is the spirit that i am describing.

When the abortion mill moved into our town, we went to city hall and an Irish priest stood up and asked them to do something about stopping the mill from coming downtown. The mayor looked at the priest and said, “What can we do Father, our hands our tied.”

He looked back at the mayor and said “You say your hands are tied, but are your hearts tied too?” I will ALWAYS remember that. You can bet that the city could have done MANY things to, if anything, to try to stop the mill from coming to our town. If there were a natural disaster, they would have cut through the red tape, and found a solution.

What I am saying is that it’s wrong to think ONLY in terms of what we can do thinking like federalists. When human life is involved, we need to think outside the box just like the liberals did to legalize Roe in the first place!

There needs to be a sense of urgency, my friend. I can’t in good conscience sit here and believe we are doing all we possibly can for these unborn children by saying abortion should be left to the states and vote for Rudy.

They think the abortion position comes down to getting a “strict constructionist judge”. And they are DEAD WRONG.

What if the strict constructionist judge is a pro-abort? He could easily be a constructionist, and still uphold Roe by citing his obedience to precedence, for example. Heck, he could just flat out uphold it without an excuse, really, because he might weight choice more than his views as a constructionist.

No, you need a president who CARES about life issues, that will CARE who he puts on the court.  I AM all for doing things the right way when we can, but we CAN’T be satisfied with just leaving it up to the states, only because this is a matter of life and death. Leaving it up to the states is NOT a conservative position. True conservatives believe there needs to be a human life amendment to the constitution. I believe life in California and New York is as precious as life in North Dakota. And that is what is stated wrong in this article and in the hearts of many so-called conservatives.


Why should we have less abortions if you’re not really killing someone?

george on October 27, 2007 at 06:14 pm

And that is what is stated wrong in this article and in the hearts of many so-called conservatives.

You are wrong about what was stated in the article; it only said that even lefties who are pro-abortion should know that Roe is bad law.  You invented all this to get yourself worked up and to make your own soapbox on this thread.  You, sir, are no conservative.


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robert108 on October 27, 2007 at 06:22 pm

Oh, and killing is the answer when it comes to the terrorists who would destroy us.


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robert108 on October 27, 2007 at 06:23 pm

it only said that even lefties who are pro-abortion should know that Roe is bad law

Really? Here’s what I was reading:

Whether you’re pro-Choice or pro-Life, Conservatives…

To me that implies conservatives can be pro-choice or pro-life. If that’s not what you meant, I apologize for my misunderstanding.

You invented all this to get yourself worked up and to make your own soapbox on this thread.

You expect to write a few pages long and not have any dissent?

An alternative, of course, is to amend the Constitution so that it specifically allows or disallows abortion.

I believe multiple statements like this one are dissent-worthy. Your goal and concern is clearly to make sure federalistic protocol is followed. What is less important, according to the article, is that abortion is outlawed.


Why should we have less abortions if you’re not really killing someone?

george on October 27, 2007 at 06:36 pm

I mean, really, is there ANYTHING in this article that states that abortion is wrong???

Core Conservative Belief:  Whether you’re pro-Choice or pro-Life, Conservatives who are being honest with themselves admit that Roe v. Wade was a badly decided opinion that, without any Constitutional authorization, represented a federal power grab of something that ought to be a states’ rights issue.  Roe v. Wade should be overturned, so that the question of abortion can be returned to the states, where it belongs.  An alternative, of course, is to amend the Constitution so that it specifically allows or disallows abortion.

And you want to say this is a conservative viewpoint?!


Why should we have less abortions if you’re not really killing someone?

george on October 27, 2007 at 06:42 pm

Of course it is; it’s your fanatical agenda that isn’t conservative.  Just like the Marxists and the jihadists, you would impose your will on the rest of us, based on your reading of an absolute belief.
Your philosophy is, at its base, inhuman, just like that of the Marxists and the jihadists.  You hold your principle above humans, who are by nature imperfect.  You would try to impose perfection upon imperfect beings, with all the self-righteous violence of the totalitarian.


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robert108 on October 27, 2007 at 06:47 pm

Really all that has to be done to put an end to legalized abortion is for the courts to define the unborn as a human have the same rights as a born human.  That the courts have chosen not to do this is a very black mark on the judiciary.


You don’t have to be a moron to be a liberal Democrat but it sure helps.

docdave on October 27, 2007 at 06:47 pm

You expect to write a few pages long and not have any dissent?

One, I didn’t write it, but you make my point.  There are a great many subjects introduced in this article, and you have flown into an insane rage over one clause in one sentence.


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robert108 on October 27, 2007 at 06:50 pm

2 questions for you:

So if it’s left up to the states and each state votes to legalize abortion, you’re OK with that?

If we could overturn Roe through a court case by doing what the liberals did to legalize Roe and abortion could end tomorrow, would you be in favor of that?


Why should we have less abortions if you’re not really killing someone?

george on October 27, 2007 at 06:52 pm

Robert, maybe I can start with a basic question. Do you consider yourself pro-life?


Why should we have less abortions if you’re not really killing someone?

george on October 27, 2007 at 06:54 pm

I repeat; I am anti-abortion.  What’s your real name; Eric Rudolph?


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robert108 on October 27, 2007 at 06:59 pm

If we could overturn Roe through a court case by doing what the liberals did to legalize Roe and abortion could end tomorrow, would you be in favor
of that?

A false premise; when Roe is overturned, the situation will revert to voter control.


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robert108 on October 27, 2007 at 07:01 pm

A false premise; when Roe is overturned, the situation will revert to voter control.

geezes, man. Talk like a normal human being. Answer the question, would you be OK if states voted to legalize abortion?


Why should we have less abortions if you’re not really killing someone?

george on October 27, 2007 at 07:04 pm

In other words, are you willing to compromise the truth for the will of the people and the good of federalism?


Why should we have less abortions if you’re not really killing someone?

george on October 27, 2007 at 07:07 pm

I support the Constitution, the rule of law, the will of the voters of the United States and individual independence.  Your words don’t apply to me.  This comment thread is about a whole lot more than your myopic obsession.


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robert108 on October 27, 2007 at 07:15 pm

Answer the question, would you be OK if states voted to legalize abortion?

I would want my state to vote against it.  I would figure that I had no power to make other states do as I wish the same as I can’t control France.


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on October 27, 2007 at 07:32 pm

Answer the question, would you be OK if states voted to legalize abortion?

I support the Constitution, the rule of law, the will of the voters of the United States and individual independence.

Wow. I am truly stunned.

You care more about our legal system than you do for human life. I knew I’d get to the truth of where you heart is, but I didn’t expect this!

Unbelievable. That’s like someone willing to kill their brother for the good of the country. Truly, how sad you are my friend.


Why should we have less abortions if you’re not really killing someone?

george on October 27, 2007 at 07:37 pm

I would want my state to vote against it.

So Whis, do you believe conservatives have any responsibility to end abortion, beyond overturning Roe?


Why should we have less abortions if you’re not really killing someone?

george on October 27, 2007 at 07:41 pm

Unbelievable. That’s like someone willing to kill their brother for the good of the country. Truly, how sad you are my friend.

I answered the question you asked, which was about states voting.  You just made up the rest.  Nice trolling, though.
BTW, I’m a conservative, not a collectivist.
What part of “I’m anti-abortion” don’t you understand?


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robert108 on October 27, 2007 at 08:35 pm

What part of “I’m anti-abortion” don’t you understand?

The part about the will of the people being more important to you than what you believe is the truth… because according to you, conservatives are done with the abortion issue once it’s allowed to be voted at on a state level.

BTW, I’m a conservative

Man, you’ve been pretty adamant about making sure I know you’re a conservative. I’d be more impressed if you told me you’re a man who stands for the truth you know instead of just the will of other people.


Why should we have less abortions if you’re not really killing someone?

george on October 27, 2007 at 08:48 pm

… because according to you, conservatives are done with the abortion issue once it’s allowed to be voted at on a state level.

That’s according to you, not to me.  You keep making things up.  Have you no integrity?
Roe was decided in 1973, and conservatives aren’t done with it yet.  Go troll somewhere else.
I’m neither a collectivist nor a dictator; I don’t think it’s OK to impose my personal values on everyone else.


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robert108 on October 27, 2007 at 09:48 pm

I don’t think it’s OK to impose my personal values on everyone else.

are you saying outlawing abortion is a personal value that you wouldn’t impose on everyone else?


Why should we have less abortions if you’re not really killing someone?

george on October 28, 2007 at 05:47 am

are you saying outlawing abortion is a personal value that you wouldn’t impose on everyone else?

No.  I repeat; I’m anti-abortion, I’m neither a collectivist nor a totalitarian.  In this country, people get to vote, and I trust the electorate to do the right thing, when they are given the choice.  Roe took that choice away when it came to abortion, and I favor restoring that choice.  I think all real conservatives will work to support their side of the abortion matter, once it is returned to the citizens.  Any more than that is totalitarianism.


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robert108 on October 28, 2007 at 05:56 am

I think all real conservatives will work to support their side of the abortion matter

This is exactly what I don’t understand. You say things like this that imply AGAIN and AGAIN, that conservatives can be pro-abortion! If that’s not true, why wouldn’t you just say this…

“I think all real conservatives will work to support outlawing abortion”!


Why should we have less abortions if you’re not really killing someone?

george on October 28, 2007 at 08:08 am

You say things like this that imply AGAIN and AGAIN, that conservatives can be pro-abortion!

I don’t imply anything; I have said what I said straight out, and you keep wanting to fit it into your totalitarian extremist template.  Won’t work.
If you were a real conservative, you would value individualism above all, but you are really a totalitarian.


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robert108 on October 28, 2007 at 08:17 am

I think all real conservatives will work to support their side of the abortion matter

You are saying you can be conservative and pro abortion!!!


Why should we have less abortions if you’re not really killing someone?

george on October 28, 2007 at 05:26 pm

You are saying you can be conservative and pro abortion!!!

Wrong again.  I have a suggestion for you: speak for yourself, because you always screw up when you try to speak for me.
BTW, what’s your solution?


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robert108 on October 28, 2007 at 05:59 pm

BTW, what’s your solution?

True conservatives believe all people have an unequivocal right to life, from conception to natural death. And the right to life is the single most important issue of all because only after this right may we enjoy all other rights, freedoms and responsibilities.


Why should we have less abortions if you’re not really killing someone?

george on October 29, 2007 at 05:49 am

True conservatives believe all people have an unequivocal right to life,

So you are an expert on ‘true’ conservatives and can say what they believe?  I’m not interested in your opinion on ‘true’ conservatives.
To paraphrase roberts question: What do you believe?


You don’t have to be a moron to be a liberal Democrat but it sure helps.

docdave on October 29, 2007 at 06:01 am

george: What’s your solution to the present situation with abortion?


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robert108 on October 29, 2007 at 08:02 am

We must vigorously attempt to overturn Roe, but it doesn’t stop there. We must stop funding planned parenthood with government money. We must do the BARE minimums too, like continue to uphold the ban partial birth abortion. Ultimately, we must work towards a constitutional human life amendment.

Note that none of these things has Rudy Guiliani promised to support; and that’s not to mention other critical pro-life issues like stem cell research and government funding abortion related services in foreign countries. We need the president to choose attorney generals who will defend life in the courts. We need conservatives in political office to support parental notification and laws that will state that the government should do whatever it can in it’s power to be pro-life, just as it tries to encourage teens not to do drugs.

The list can go on and on. We can’t just have candidates who might nominate a constructionist who might overturn Roe. A pro-abortion-choice candidate like Rudy could be satisfied with states legalizing abortion.

We need candidates who have a pro-life mindset. Great, let’s nominate a strict constructionist judge, but a pro-life president will make sure the judge also has a pro-life philosophy. Don’t forget that presidents nominates TONS of judges, not just supreme court judges. And a pro-life president will assure that our government is doing everything it possibly can to protect the lives of all.


Why should we have less abortions if you’re not really killing someone?

george on October 29, 2007 at 09:05 am

george: Thanks for the answer; since this article is about a number of different core conservative values, and since what you finally came out for is exactly what conservatives have been saying all along, it’s not all that newsworthy.
I would be interested in hearing the wording of your proposed “constitutional life amendment”.  Since the amendment process is a federalist process, it doesn’t agree with all the spleen you vented about those of us who support federalism in this area.
Rudy G is obviously not the conservative candidate here, and everybody knows it, so nothing new there.
We have had an anti-abortion President for two terms with not much progress against abortion, so obviously it will take a lot more than that.  I think it’s really up to the electorate, and as a bonus, that’s the way things are supposed to get done in the US.
Can you move on now?


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robert108 on October 29, 2007 at 09:26 am

and since what you finally came out for is exactly what conservatives have been saying all along,

You look at the words, but you don’t read them.

The article NEVER EVER states abortion is wrong. NEVER! It only thinks Roe is “bad law"… ie bad formality… poor procedure, not that abortion is bad. READ IT MY FRIEND! Where does it state that?? It could CARE LESS if abortion is legal or not. LOOK! It only asks that every state makes their own legal definition. Essentially, we can have 50 definitions of a human being.

Read it man for yourself:

Whether you’re pro-Choice or pro-Life

...amend the Constitution so that it specifically allows or disallows abortion

This guy doesn’t care if abortion is allowed or disallowed. He just wants proper constitutional procedure to be followed.

This cannot be how conservatives define themselves. We must define ourselves as those concerned for human life.

I’m not trying to blast everything that is being said, and there are some good things, but any article that tries to summarize core conservative principle should say SOMEWHERE that it is pro-life!


Why should we have less abortions if you’re not really killing someone?

george on October 29, 2007 at 09:58 am

It only thinks Roe is “bad law"… ie bad formality… poor procedure, not that abortion is bad.

Which is the first step to getting it overturned.  Duh.
Despite your emotional need to hear someone else parrot certain words, no one here cares about that.  Can you possibly move on?  You’re not getting what you want here on this subject, since that’s not our job.
When asked to state what you believe, you pretend to sound reasonable, then you go off on an emo rant when your particular sensibilities aren’t pandered to, just like any other leftie.


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robert108 on October 29, 2007 at 10:28 am
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