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Many readers and posters at Say Anything have drawn upon Lewis’ and Huntington’s work for inspiration in identifying Islam as the gravest threat to western civilsiation

Count me out of that list.  Why should anyone have to read any book for ‘inspiration’ to identify Islam as the gravest threat to western civilzation?  The obvious threat is not a matter of inspiration but of fact supported by the mad ravings of various Islamic clerics and leaders.  The Islamic take great umbrage bragging on how Islam is speading all over the world.  Their very words in are

With the Mercy of Allah Subhaanu wa-Ta’ala,today Islam has spread to the FOUR corners of the globe.

Mike, just because you have your head in the sand (or up your ass) doesn’t mean that one of those muslim bastards won’t cut it off.  On the other hand you probably would copitulate and become an Islamic convert, the least difficult path for the weak.

You don’t have to be a moron to be a liberal Democrat but it sure helps.

Many readers and posters at Say Anything have drawn upon Lewis’ and Huntington’s work for inspiration in identifying Islam as the gravest threat to western civilsiation and I confess that my reaction has typically been one of bemused dismissal.

Count me out of that list as well. Who needs “inspiration” in identifying a threat that has made itself abundantly clear?

No wonder you have “bemused dismissal”. You’re just denying a construct of your own creation. I’d be amused if it wasn’t so sadly typical.

Ditto Docdave & Lik-

Are Muslim Americans mostly middle class and mostly mainstream, as headlined by the Pew Research Center? 

Is there any other group which would be surveyed for which the labels “moderate” and “assimilated” would be used when more than one quarter of those under age 30 support suicide bombing attacks, and only 40% believe that the 9/11 attacks were carried out by Muslim terrorists?

Mike, just because you have your head in the sand (or up your ass) doesn’t mean that one of those muslim bastards won’t cut it off.  On the other hand you probably would copitulate and become an Islamic convert, the least difficult path for the weak.
docdave on May 25, 2007 at 06:31 pm

Is “P U S S Y” a word that’s now censored?

If it is censored, I could use gutless, lily-livered, weak-kneed or wimpy to describe Mike’s approach.

“I want to know God’s thoughts; the rest are details.”

Tawfik Hamid would like to reform Islam, he writes in Opinion Journal.  He is on the right path, particularly with this paragraph.

Well-meaning interfaith dialogues with Muslims have largely been fruitless.

Participants must demand--but so far haven’t--that Muslim organizations and scholars specifically and unambiguously denounce violent Salafi components in their mosques and in the media.

Muslims who do not vocally oppose brutal Shariah decrees should not be considered “moderates.”

BIO:

Born in Egypt to a secular Muslim family, Tawfik Hamid joined an islamic group called GI when he was in Medical School .

His colleagues in the movement included Al Zawaherri, then a friend with whom Tawfik used to pray, and now the number 2 person of Al Qaeda.

Eventually Dr. Hamid questioned the feelings of hatred and impulses to violence that his participation in this islamic group was fomenting within him.

He became a physician, and also a scholar of Islamic texts.

When he began to preach in Mosques to promote a message of peace instead of violence and hatred, however, he himself became a target of the muslims who had been his friends.

They threatened his life, forcing him and his family to flee Egypt , and then Saudi Arabia .

As Dr. Hamid says “The powers of darkness were overwhelming and I was forced to emigrate with my family to the West seeking freedom.

Blow it out your ass Mike!!!!

“I want to know God’s thoughts; the rest are details.”

I don’t think we should project the attitude of a minority within the Islamic world onto all Muslims and buying into the ‘Clash Of Civilisations’ theory only exacerbates the divisions that already exist. As the critique of Lewis’ theory suggests, perhaps we need to settle on an Arab version of democracy for Iraq (and perhaps later the Middle East) rather than a Turkish one.

Do not fear to be eccentric in opinion, for every opinion now accepted was once eccentric.

Mike, I did try and read Michael Hirsh’s screed.  It was big on rhetorical devices and short on any analytic threads.  While there are certain parts I agree with, such as petrodolars driving modern terrorism, it is as blatantly one-sided as anything I’ve seen from the right.

For example it is not true that “Bin Laden’s view of America as a ‘paper tiger’ reflects a lack of respect for American power throughout the Arab world” is a premise of the right (in particular Lewis).  This amounts to little more than the usual strawman rhetorical device, and is dishonest.

The premise on the right is that precipitous withdrawals from Vietnam, Lebanon and Somalia demonstrates an underlying weakness in US foreign policy is echoed by bin Laden’s own words:

After leaving Afghanistan, the Muslim fighters headed for Somalia and prepared for a long battle thinking that the Americans were like the Russians. The youth were surprised at the low morale of the American soldiers and realized, more than before, that the American soldier was a paper tiger and after a few blows……would run in defeat.

Secondly, Hirsh’s description of the rise of Wahabism is a laughable joke:

Wahhabism’s fast growth in the late 20th century was also a purely modern phenomenon, a function of Saudi petrodollars underwriting Wahhabist mosques and clerics throughout the Arab world (and elsewhere, including America

Actually it’s a 200 year old phenomenon, one that has had important ramifications on the Middle East, including the and redistribution of power associated with the conquest of Mecca and Medina by the al Saud clan.  That year was 1924.

Where Hirsh and I agree is that it is oil dollars that are driving attempt to undercut western influence and power.  Where we disagree is that, to me, it is patently obvious that this attempt is not just focussed on the Middle East, but rather is worldwide in effort.  There really are two branches to this effort.  One is terroristic attacks on Western interests, the other is via the formation of Madras’s and mosques to spread the influence of Islam world wide.

It may not be a “clash of two civilizations” but I have no doubt that there is a concerted effort by Middle Eastern countries to leverage on their petroleum dollars to increase their influence throughout the world…

You can all argue about this being a mere ‘clash of civilizations” until the cows come home; but this is more than a debate about political ideology and social differences betwen the East and West, this is a monumental battle between Arabs and Jews/Christians that has been raging for about 4,000 years, it is about whether Allah is God or the God of the Judeo-Christian faith. Many people of faith would say this is a war between the forces of darkness and of Light, between Allah and Elohim/Jevovah; which will end in 7 years of unimaginable hell upon earth some day in the future. These two faith systems absolutely cannot ever co-exist on earth, they are at an eternal enmity with each other; and so those countries with strong percentages of Muslim citizens can never be satisfied until all knees in each country on earth bow to Allah and to make sure that happens, the Koran, the Haditha and other Islamic literature demands that every Muslim directly by violence or other means either force submission and financial tribute by all non-Muslims, be made to convert or they must die.

Qur’an 9:3 “Allah is not bound by any contract or treaty with non-Muslims, nor is His Apostle.”
Qur’an 97:5 “There is peace until the dawning of the day!”

It is a basic tenet of Islam that everyone will be forced to submit to Allah or die, there is to be no peace permitted on earth until all submit to Allah, and according to their own verses they are allowed to enter into treaties and speak of peace, but they are never to be bound by such things, only violence, torture and death shall reign until Allah rules the whole earth.

There is no such animal as a moderate Muslim, as Islam says that any Muslim not willing to sacrifice, die and kill for Allah is a bad Muslim and they are to be treated like infidels and when Sharia law reigns anywhere on earth bad Muslims like Jews and Christians are to be killed.

Clash of civilizations? It is much more than that and sadly, Islamic militancy will never be slowed down or stopped in its tracks unless we are willing to show massive military strength and are willing to kill every militant Muslim that rises up to strike us. They consider the West to be fat and weak willed, they are right by the way, and these people only respect strength. Negotiations and appeasement will only encourage Islamic militants, it convinces them they are right that the West is weak and unwilling to make any sacrfices to preserve their way of living.

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.