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Sunday, September 02, 2007

Capacitors As Long Duration Energy Storage Devices

For the techies (and others) who blog and comment here, this intriguing article describes a technology breakthrough in capacitive storage that allows an small automobile to travel 500 miles on a 5 second charge.
An Austin-based startup called EEStor promised “technologies for replacement of electrochemical batteries,” meaning a motorist could plug in a car for five minutes and drive 500 miles roundtrip between Dallas and Houston without gasoline.


The device is basically a capacitor.
EEStor’s secret ingredient is a material sandwiched between thousands of wafer-thin metal sheets, like a series of foil-and-paper gum wrappers stacked on top of each other. Charged particles stick to the metal sheets and move quickly across EEStor’s proprietary material.The result is an ultracapacitor, a battery-like device that stores and releases energy quickly


Capacitors are not considered to be long duration energy storage devices so this could be a monumental technological breakthrough.
Batteries rely on chemical reactions to store energy but can take hours to charge and release energy. The simplest capacitors found in computers and radios hold less energy but can charge or discharge instantly. Ultracapacitors take the best of both, stacking capacitors to increase capacity while maintaining the speed of simple capacitors.


Of course, there is a lot of skepticism. 
Yet the speculation and skepticism have continued, fueled by the company’s original assertion of making batteries obsolete


However, the founders of the company have excellent credentials.
EEStor’s founders have a track record. Richard D. Weir and Carl Nelson worked on disk-storage technology at IBM Corp. in the 1990s before forming EEStor in 2001. The two have acquired dozens of patents over two decades


And they have a customer that believes that their technology is real
."It’s a paradigm shift,” said Ian Clifford, chief executive of Toronto-based ZENN Motor Co., which has licensed EEStor’s invention. “The Achilles’ heel to the electric car industry has been energy storage. By all rights, this would make internal combustion engines unnecessary.”


Technological breakthrough claims are often made that are not realized.  Even when a concept is proven in the laboratory, bringing it into production may be impractical.  This is definitely a ‘wait and see’ proposition.

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One of the big problems with wind power is that there’s no really good way to store it so that a backup source of power isn’t needed when the wind isn’t blowing.

One wonders if these sort of capacitors couldn’t represent a key for that…


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Rob on September 2, 2007 at 10:21 am

One wonders if these sort of capacitors couldn’t represent a key for that…

rob, if this capacitor technology really works, the applications are unlimited.  As you so astutely recognized the main problem with power distribution of any kind is long term storage. i.e. finding a place to store excess energy when demand is low and then getting it back when demand is high.  However, the requirements for storing energy from electrical utilities are quite different from that of a single automobile.


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docdave on September 2, 2007 at 01:24 pm

Didn’t Max Shreck have a plan to build a giant capacitor to such the power out of Gotham?


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on September 3, 2007 at 06:54 pm
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Now if we could only mount one of those capacitors in a DeLorean!



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Proof on September 3, 2007 at 07:04 pm

Please excuse the crudity of this model as I didn’t have time to build it to scale or paint it.


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on September 3, 2007 at 07:12 pm

Since you’re new here, I’m gonna cut you a break… today. So why don’t you make like a tree… and get outta here!


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on September 3, 2007 at 07:16 pm
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Rob on September 3, 2007 at 07:27 pm
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can charge or discharge instantly

My big problem with capacitors for storage.  Call me a Luddite but stuff that makes gasoline explosions look leisurely make me twitchy.  (Same energy mind you but milliseconds rather than minutes.)

It’s exciting stuff though, the only way electric cars would be reasonable. 

http://www.sciencentral.com/articles/view.php3?type=article&article_id=218392803

Same capacitor idea with a different approach, using nanotubes to increase the surface area rather than multiple layers and dialectric. 

I’d be surprised a startup could do layering required.  They may just live with a 95 - 99% failure rate.

FlyOnTheWall on September 4, 2007 at 06:27 am

Attempts to utilize the characteristics of capacitors has a long history.  Tesla is one who made breakthroughs whose applications are still not totally understood today.


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