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Very interesting that you have compiled all these negative articles. I expect it is a public service, however, I still find it a little strange.

Do you suppose there is anyone this year we “can” support.??. What about you.??. is there an front runner, an important contender, you would support even if someone could come up with a similar number of negatives about them.??.

I mean I support Duncan Hunter, but his chances are slim and none.

Candidates won’t tell the truth, people have to dig it out for ourselves. Spend awhile going through the Congressional records, they make it exceedingly difficult to find out exactly how people vote on specific items. Same at the state level. So much for transparency in government.

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How come there was no information about Ron Paul or Fred Thompson?

Very interesting that you have compiled all these negative articles. I expect it is a public service, however, I still find it a little strange.

It’s my opinion you find this “strange” because you can’t find this information unless you dig it up yourself. It is a large prayer of mine that people will benefit from my work to actually become informed voters…but, I’m an optimist.

Do you suppose there is anyone this year we “can” support.??.

Who is left?

What about you.??.

This list isn’t for me, I’ve already done my homework and there’s no question left in my mind…for some 10 months now I’ve known.

is there an front runner, an important contender, you would support even if someone could come up with a similar number of negatives about them.??

A genuine list of factual negatives could not be made of my candidate. I have checked each of his admitted failures in depth and I’m very satisfied with the circumstances of each to appreciate what he did and why under an objective eye. The ones the MSM uses against him are mere aspersions where the list above are, to the best of my knowledge, rooted in fact and none of it is spin. Further, if you see any that you have a question about I would be glad to explain it to you.

I mean I support Duncan Hunter, but his chances are slim and none.

It is a sad day in America when one of the only two true conservatives in the race doesn’t stand a chance at winning the nomination…he would make an excellent V.P.

“At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child - miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill disciplined, despotic, and useless. Liberalism is the philosophy of sniveling brats.” - P.J. O’Rourke

I love how indignant and pissy people get when the actual voting and legislative records of “candidates” are made public. That is EXACTLY what you are supposed to base your vote on. Not a bunch of lawyerscum TV crap.

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How come there was no information about Ron Paul or Fred Thompson?

In my opinion, Ron Paul makes himself totally unelectable through two issues. The first is legalizing drugs and the second is allowing the dictators and other despots of the world to create mayhem at their will by announcing we will not intercede.
I honestly believe if either or both were allowed to take place we would lose everything we take for granted and hold dear within a very short amount of time. If Paul shows a marked increase in support in New Hampshire, I will add his name to the above list…but, I shouldn’t have to as people have openly laughed at him while he spoke about these issues during debates on national TV.

Fred Thompson is my candidate and whatever has been said about him I have personally dug to the very bottom in finding out all there is to know and I don’t believe he should be held responsible beyond what he already holds himself accountable for….where they don’t even compare in number or severity to the list of credible accusations in fact of the candidates above.

“At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child - miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill disciplined, despotic, and useless. Liberalism is the philosophy of sniveling brats.” - P.J. O’Rourke

I love how indignant and pissy people get when the actual voting and legislative records of “candidates” are made public. That is EXACTLY what you are supposed to base your vote on. Not a bunch of lawyerscum TV crap.

As they made their choice without researching the issues, their candidate or both…Amen to that 2Hotel9.

“At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child - miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill disciplined, despotic, and useless. Liberalism is the philosophy of sniveling brats.” - P.J. O’Rourke

Luap Nor makes himself a non-candidate by virtue of the fact he has been in Congress 28 years and done absolutely NOTHING, EVER, PERIOD to fix any of the issues he and the paulettes screech&wail; about. Not. One. Single. Thing. And has spent that time sucking up tax dollars.

Luap Nor IS big government.

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Captain Ed on Ron Paul in the last debate:

I had to wonder a little bit about Paul’s supposed devotion to the Constitution. He said that we can’t afford to spend a trillion dollars on health care because we’re in a trillion-dollar war. Wouldn’t an originalist also mention that the federal government doesn’t have a Constitutional mandate to spend the trillion dollars on health care—and at least acknowledge that it does have that mandate for national security, even if Paul thinks the policy is misguided?

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Wouldn’t an originalist also mention that the federal government doesn’t have a Constitutional mandate to spend the trillion dollars on health care—and at least acknowledge that it does have that mandate for national security, even if Paul thinks the policy is misguided?

He’s building a list of these quickly. One other off the top of my head was submitting for pork projects to vote against them yet he accepts them if they pass…

“At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child - miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill disciplined, despotic, and useless. Liberalism is the philosophy of sniveling brats.” - P.J. O’Rourke

The simple fact of the matter is, you don’t have any negative record on Ron Paul because there isn’t a negative record on him.  All you have is your ‘opinion’ of him.  You claim his unelectable when the fact is he’s very electable but currently unknown.  Legalizing drugs is something I’ve never heard was a priority of his, in the hours of researching video interviews and reading articles on him which I’ve personally done.  And here’s as close as I can get to prove that he’s pro-security for America against foreign threats and aggressors:  “If the people want to go to war, have the congress declare war, go win the war, then get out.”  Let’s see if you permit this comment to remain on your otherwise useful BLOG.  Peace!  Strength!  Freedom!  Go Ron Paul!

The simple fact of the matter is, you don’t have any negative record on Ron Paul because there isn’t a negative record on him.

I’ll try to type slow so you can keep up Nicky. Paul’s entire record is negative, why else do you think his nickname is Dr. No??

We put elected officials in office to PRODUCE results for the benefit of we, the people…not to refuse to work at introducing legislation and gathering support for same. If he doesn’t want to do that he should return to private life and stick his head back under the stirrups.

His pathetic joke of allowing evil to do what they wish in the world has made Paul infamous where EVERYONE knows who this clown is. The openly laugh and jeer at him in national debates and if you had a ounce of understanding what he proposes you would be also…Unless of course all your interested in is his other mindnumbing offer to legalize drugs…forget it kid, it ain’t gonna’ happen.

“At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child - miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill disciplined, despotic, and useless. Liberalism is the philosophy of sniveling brats.” - P.J. O’Rourke

Thanks for the links, but I think you are wrong to doubt Mitt Romney, and if him, then you may have gone overboard on the others.

http://www.conservativerepublicans.com
strongly supports W. Mitt Romney for President of the United States.

Nickahole, provide us with the extensive list of Luap Nor’s achievements.

Jedthro, Romney is a northeast liberal Democrat. You can wish otherwise until hell freezes over. All you will have in the end is Mitt Romney, liberal northeast Democrat, and frozen hell. And socialism, which is exactly what you Democrat posers want.

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Thanks for the links, but I think you are wrong to doubt Mitt Romney

Which syllable of TREASON do you not understand in permanently banning a long list of firearms for loyal, law-abiding citizens to own!? The Second Amendment means exactly what it says and it’s not up to anyone elses interpretation.

Since when in our history does the government demand we pay for something we don’t want that is not necessary for the government to function!? That is dictatorship and he should be drawn and quartered, not running for president!

Look, anyone who can research this simple list of facts on this pandering prick and suggest the SOB is worthy of the presidency is no conservative under ANY circumstances…you tell the disloyal donkeys at the link you gave that I said so and if I had to say it to their face I would do it an inch from their nose. TRY ME.

“At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child - miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill disciplined, despotic, and useless. Liberalism is the philosophy of sniveling brats.” - P.J. O’Rourke

Will you be posting a list for Hilary Clinton?

Will you be posting a list for Hilary Clinton?

Here’s one: “I want to take those profits, and use them for the common good.”

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

mrjangles, this being about the declared Republicans why would Hillary be included. Though the small fact that Hucklebee, Romney, and Guiliani are northeast liberal Democrats masquerading as Rs does account for a bit of confusion.

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Will you be posting a list for Hilary Clinton?

If Hillary wins the nomination I’ll provide a list of her record that’ll take anyone more than a week to go through.

You better believe it.

“At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child - miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill disciplined, despotic, and useless. Liberalism is the philosophy of sniveling brats.” - P.J. O’Rourke

The only AMERICAN candidate is Alan Keyes. He wants to restore God, the Declaration and Constitution - restore American Sovereignty (out of WTO, NAFTA, CAFTA, etc. etc. etc.)

And if you think ‘he is not electable’ you are buying into the fear from BOTH parties- already communistic (when they dictate the choices, they are dictating the choice’ Alan Keyes). Neither of the parties will return any rights or sovereignty already stolen from the people - even if you are a good comrade and vote like they say!!!

When I signed the Pledge for America’s Revival it was in furtherance of the oath I swore to as a Marine!!!

Pledge: http://www.alankeyes.com/pledge.php

“My idea of gun control is a good, steady aim” -FDT

When Keyes was asked about ‘gun control’ he said [paraphrased] ‘Good gun control is to make sure you hit where you’re aiming’.  Dr. Alan Keyes

He IS ALL FOR American Sovereignty and ALL of our Unalienable Rights - 2nd Amendment Rights INCLUDED. Keyes believes that ALL Americans should stand ready to defend America!!! That is exactly WHAT the term ‘Militia’ originally meant.

When Keyes becomes the least bit qualified or experienced for the job tell him to give us a call.

Although his head is right the presidency has no time for apprenticeships.

We need a man who knows how to get things done in playing their game but, isn’t a part of it. Only one fits that description.

“At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child - miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill disciplined, despotic, and useless. Liberalism is the philosophy of sniveling brats.” - P.J. O’Rourke

According to links, a huge negative on McCain (whom I genuinely dislike) is his campaign finance reform legislation.  You extol Fred Thompson (does he even WANT to win?), but he co-sponsored the legislation.  Do you think that was bad legislation or not?  And seriously, Fred could hardly try less…

You extol Fred Thompson (does he even WANT to win?), but he co-sponsored the legislation.  Do you think that was bad legislation or not?

I post all this information and you can’t find out ONE issue on your own?? It’s all out there Bubbha.

McCain-Feingold was authored to stop Clinton and Dick Morris from continuing to pour soft money donations far above the established limits for Clinton’s re-election…FAR above the limits.
Fred, as part of his campaign promise to his constituents AND to the American people in fighting corrupt politicians knew something had to be done.

McCain, as the senior senator allowed an attachment provided by the liberal senators to stop our organizations from informing us about candidates up to 90 days prior to an election. Fred had no choice but to vote for it at the time or soft money bribery would have gone unchecked. Fred has said time after time he believes that attachment was wrong verses McCain who says today that it’s “just fine with him because the bill works”. Which we know is BS.

Now, that’s the Readers Digest version but, at least now you’re informed of what actually happened and why.

And seriously, Fred could hardly try less…

Listen up lazy! Well before any of the others even thought about putting out detailed plans to our real situations and even before Fred announced his run he was blogging his ideals, principles, Flat tax, illegal immigration policy, Social Security solution and other real solutions.

Just because you listened to the MSM isn’t Fred’s fault as all this was right here on the net. You’ve should have been doing your own homework.

So, we’ve just finished an experiment in demonstrating Fred was never “lazy”, it was people like you who didn’t take their responsibility seriously enough to find out what the hell is really going on.

Anymore questions!?!?

AP Gives Thompson the ‘04 Treatment by Jed Babbin
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=24127
Conservative Blackout by Lisa Fabrizio
http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=12517

“At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child - miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill disciplined, despotic, and useless. Liberalism is the philosophy of sniveling brats.” - P.J. O’Rourke

I love how leftards are only able to understand things that are spoonfed to them. Totally incapable of reading or thinking without the TV pureeing it down to a 3 and 5 second slurry they can slurp up like cocaine.

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You say that you want your page here to be fair and for everyone to see so they can make their decision.  You later say in a post that you have dug up stuff on Fred Thompson, but the numbers do not compare to the others on your list.  Even though you feel that way, shouldn’t it have been posted, since this site is to help people make a decision.  How is it helpful if Ron Paul and Fred Thompson are not included.  Lastly, your opinion shows with this page and is a true biased.  Just because Fred Thompson may not have as many issues, it does not mean his issues that he faced or created are not larger then other candidates successes and failures.  Please update site if you feel you truly want to “help” Americans make their own decision.

...since this site is to help people make a decision…

No, it’s not; it’s about expressing opinions.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

“In my opinion, Ron Paul makes himself totally unelectable through two issues. The first is legalizing drugs and the second is allowing the dictators and other despots of the world to create mayhem at their will by announcing we will not intercede.”

You are misinformed and showing your ignorance here. Paul believes in a non-interventionist approach. He believes the US should not be meddling in the internal affairs of other nations with our military or CIA. That doesn’t mean he would never intercede. A non-interventionist approach and an isolationist approach (what you are claiming) are very different. Paul wants to talk and trade with ALL nations. However, he would only intervene militarily, if Congress declared war. Paul believes we should follow our Constitution. Remember, like it was done for WWII? Do some basic research before you post incomplete and misleading info next time.
“I honestly believe if either or both were allowed to take place we would lose everything we take for granted and hold dear within a very short amount of time.”

I hate to burst your bubble, but drugs are already legal. Didn’t you know alcohol and nicotine were drugs? There’s a reason prohibition was repealed - it was ineffective and didn’t work. Also, Paul as President would only have power over federal drug laws. Paul would end all federal drug laws and the “war on drugs”. Paul would also pardon all federal non-violent drug offenders. All violent offenders would still be kept behind bars. States would still have drug laws via the 10th Amendment of the Constitution. There’s that word again.
“If Paul shows a marked increase in support in New Hampshire, I will add his name to the above list…but, I shouldn’t have to as people have openly laughed at him while he spoke about these issues during debates on national TV.”

Paul has always treated the other candidates with respect, even if he disagreed with their views. He does not attack them, he attackes their ideas. The same cannot be said for the other Republican candidates, who like to laugh and snicker when someone does not agree with them. Instead of attacking the idea, they attack the messenger. You can be sure their lack of civility and childish behavior has turned off some would-be voters for them, myself included.

You say that you want your page here to be fair and for everyone to see so they can make their decision.

What do you mean by “fair”? If you mean the information is not spin then yes, in that respect this is “fair”. It would be much more accurate to say it’s based on reality…the real records and actions of those listed to compare with what they’re saying today.

You later say in a post that you have dug up stuff on Fred Thompson, but the numbers do not compare to the others on your list.

That’s not what I said and what you just said is spin. What I said was I have dug to the bottom of every smear tactic of every spin attempted on Fred and I know what the truth is on ALL of it.

The numbers do not compare because the MSM is good but, they’re not that good to come up with lists like you see above. After they were allowed to pour over Fred’s records we heard they could find nothing and I mean nothing so, they made up wild interpretations and insinuations pretty much like conspiracy theorists and their little webs of connections they must reach with any nonsense to make their “case”.

Even though you feel that way, shouldn’t it have been posted, since this site is to help people make a decision.

I’m a highly trained and experienced law enforcement investigator and despite what you may have heard I haven’t “felt” anything in a very long time except anger where I often merely respond to injustice out of pure reflex in cutting off the snakes head.

This webpage is to reveal right from wrong and yes, the byproduct of doing this is often to help others.
If I thought for one second that Fred is not driven by pure motivation of helping us rather than stroking his ego and/or delusions of destiny like the others I would not have done this nor would I be particiapting in a race I would view as different day same corrupt shit.

How is it helpful if Ron Paul and Fred Thompson are not included.

Everyone knows Ron Paul’s adherence to the Constitution which we are all grateful but, then he leaves the ranch of reason to legalize drugs and offers the evil in the world may do as they wish because America will not protect the innocent from genocide and we will not interfere with their intercontinental ballistic nuclear missile programs to aim and fire at us…the man has lost any marbles he may have once had. He also has refused to work towards compromise in the House and contents himself with simply voting no on any and all legislation that comes across his desk…That’s not progress and that’s not what we put him in office to do.

I’ve already explained why Fred isn’t up there so, there you are.

Lastly, your opinion shows with this page and is a true biased.

None of the above list is based on bias, it is formed by others evidence of wrongdoing or the comparison of their actions today verses their past as revealing wrongdoing of many different kinds. This is factual information.

Just because Fred Thompson may not have as many issues, it does not mean his issues that he faced or created are not larger then other candidates successes and failures.

Now, you’re diggin’ for something that doesn’t exist. If you find some spin out there and really want to know what it’s about come back here and ask me where I will provide you the detailed facts and sometimes who started the canard in the first place. If you come back spinning what you found, wear an asbestos suit as I’ll flame back harder than you stormed in.

Please update site if you feel you truly want to “help” Americans make their own decision.

Asked and answered.

“At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child - miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill disciplined, despotic, and useless. Liberalism is the philosophy of sniveling brats.” - P.J. O’Rourke

Remember, like it was done for WWII?

Some of us, apparently, do not! Do you remember the Lend-Lease Act? FDR sold aircraft and war material to Great Britain against the wishes of many in Congress (many Democrats!), nine months before Pearl Harbor and before Congress declared war on Germany.
Was that “interfering” in foreign affairs? Sending American warplanes to fight in a war we’ve not declared?

Lend Lease was a critical factor that brought the US into the war, especially on the European front. Hitler cited the Lend-Lease program and its significance in aiding the Allied war effort when he declared war on the US on 11 December 1941.

So, this act of an American President was considered an act of war by Adolph Hitler? Would Ron Paul have sat on his hands and waited for Congress to declare war before we would send material help to our allies?
I found this interesting tidbit at wikipedia:

Everett Dirksen, at the time a Republican U.S. Representative, was able to secure the passage of an amendment to the Lend-Lease bill by introducing the resolution while 65 of the House’s Democrats were at a luncheon

Just like today, things get done over the objections of Democrats who are out to lunch!

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Do some basic research before you post incomplete and misleading info next time.

You can’t write comedy like this!

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BTW, for all you FDR bashers: Lend Lease was the greatest thing the man did and may be the main reason that we’re not writing these posts auf Deutsch!

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Perhaps me could do some research and post a list of Luap Nor’s many accomplishments as a 28 year career member of “Big Government”? A little"basic research” should turn up a plethora of examples. Right?

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This Paulite has inadvertently helped us to stumble across a great truth! FDR was a leader who took this nation in the direction it needed to go, whether Congress was ready to take us there or not (and it is clear that they were NOT!), and that was to conquer the worldwide threat of Nazism.
REP (Ron Ernest Paul) is NOT a leader! He would wait for 535 individuals (or at least 66 Senators and 218 representatives) to tell him what to do!
Paul can stand there and wave his copy of the Constitution all he wants, but it has the same effect as Neville Chamberlain waving his bogus “peace treaty” telling us there would be peace for our time!
Without leadership and the resolve to enforce it, lip service to the Constitution is merely that: lip service.
The sad fact is, when it comes to keeping this nation safe, Hillary has more balls than Ron Paul!

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“Everyone knows Ron Paul’s adherence to the Constitution which we are all grateful but, then he leaves the ranch of reason to legalize drugs and offers the evil in the world may do as they wish because America will not protect the innocent from genocide and we will not interfere with their intercontinental ballistic nuclear missile programs to aim and fire at us”

Where to begin?

Don’t kid yourself, the only reason we are in Iraq and the Middle East in general, is because there is oil over there. Oil that we have become dependent upon. If the US were truly interested in protecting the helpless, we would be in areas like Darfur with our military, etc. Why aren’t we - they don’t have anything we need.

Perhaps you’re also not aware that most Iraqis do not want us there any longer. Most also believe that the US being there is causing most of the sectarian violence. Multiple polls and studies confirm this, including ones commissioned by our own State Dept and Army. Continuing the occupation against the will of the Iraqi people is not democratic and only causes more US resentment in Iraq and the Islamic world. Staying when we are not wanted also violates the fundamental democratic principle of self-determination. The Iraqi people realize that they have to figure it out for themselves now. Why are we not honoring the will of the Iraqi people?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/26/AR2006092601721.html
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articles/brmiddleeastnafricara/165.php?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/18/AR2007121802262_pf.html

Regarding the ICBMs, did we have to interfere with the USSR’s during the Cold War. No, because we had enough of our own. They knew if they tried anything, they would go down with us. Likewise, if we secured our borders, we would not have to worry about Islamic radicals. Terrorism is a tactic. Instead, our President decided to attack a country that had no WMDS and no al-Qaeda link. Brilliant!

“REP (Ron Ernest Paul) is NOT a leader! He would wait for 535 individuals (or at least 66 Senators and 218 representatives) to tell him what to do!”

You mean like the Constitution says we must do. If the citizens of this country don’t agree with something in it, we have a way to change it. However, not following it for ANY reason or only when it is convenient - is a very slippery slope. Respect for the rule of law is at the foundation of our republic.

“that was to conquer the worldwide threat of Nazism.”
“The sad fact is, when it comes to keeping this nation safe, Hillary has more balls than Ron Paul!”

It is apparent that you don’t understand what motivates the Islamic radicals to attack us. US foreign policy in the Middle East is primary motivation for why were and are going to continue to be attacked.

Bush claimed, “America was targeted for attack because we’re the brightest beacon for freedom and opportunity in the world.” This is a gross oversimplification for why we were and are going to continue to be attacked by radical Islamists. The real reasons are are found in:

a) bin Laden’s own words. Bin Laden himself refutes time and time again what Bush is saying about them simply hating our freedoms and prosperity. He gives specific reasons for why were and are going to continue to be attacked - US military forces in their Holy Land (especially Saudi Arabia), US support of Middle Eastern police-states (especially Jordan/Saudia Arabia), unconditional US support of Israel, and the ongoing assault on civilians in Iraq.

Bin Laden also specifically says that Americans should read “Imperial Hubris” by US author Michael Scheuer, if they truly want to understand the reasons for why the US is so hated and will continue to be attacked by radical Islamists. Mr. Scheuer was the former head of the CIA’s bin Laden unit and was charged with capturing or killing bin Laden. Mr. Scheuer understands the motivations of bin Laden and his followers and bin Laden himself agrees.

b) The 9/11 Commission Report. The report determined that the animosity towards the US felt by Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, the “principal architect” of the 9/11 attacks, stemmed “not from his experiences there as a student, but rather from his violent disagreement with U.S. foreign policy favoring Israel.” It also states that this is the same reason Marwan al-Shehhi, the pilot of one of the WTC planes, did it, too.

c) The FBI’s testimony to Congress about motivations for 9/11. The FBI testified that al-Qaeda had specific goals - “One of the primary goals of Sunni extremists is the removal of U.S. military forces from the Persian gulf area, most notably Saudi Arabia.”

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/10/29/bin.laden.transcript/
http://youtube.com/watch?v=qZNfuIvtLos
http://www.fbi.gov/congress/congress02/watson020602.htm
http://www.9-11commission.gov/
http://representativepress.blogspot.com/2005/06/man-who-conceived-and-directed-sept.html
http://representativepress.blogspot.com/2007/04/motives-for-september-11-2001-attacks.html

Thousands of innocent people are also being killed as a result of the occupation. A conservative estimate is that ~85,000 Iraqi civilians have been killed from 2003 to the present. The 85,000 number is based on media reports - a method known to underestimate deaths because many go unreported. In 2006, Iraq’s health minister himself estimated 150,000 civilians have been killed since 2003. A 2007 study also supports 150,000 civilian dead as well. Even worse, when a statistical model was employed in 2006, it was determined that the civilian death toll could actually be as high as 600,000. To put this in perspective - Human Rights Watch estimated Saddam Hussein’s regime killed 250,000 to 290,000 people over 20 years. The continued killing of these Iraqi civilians only motivates the Islamists to become more radical. Put yourself in an Iraqi’s position. How would you feel if your innocent relatives were being killed? How long before you would begin to despise the US and its occupation of your country?

http://www.iraqbodycount.org/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/10/AR2006111000164.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/09/AR2008010902793.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/10/AR2006101001442.html

You were suckered by Bush, my friend.

You mean like the Constitution says we must do.

So, do you agree or disagree with what FDR did?

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He would wait for 535 individuals (or at least 66 Senators and 218 representatives) to tell him what to do!”
You mean like the Constitution says we must do.

You need to study your high school civics about the difference between the legislative and executive branches of government.

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Perhaps you’re also not aware that most Iraqis do not want us there any longer. Most also believe that the US being there is causing most of the sectarian violence. Multiple polls and studies confirm this, including ones commissioned by our own State Dept and Army. Continuing the occupation against the will of the Iraqi people is not democratic and only causes more US resentment in Iraq and the Islamic world.

Now I know I’ve got my giveashitometer around here somewhere…

Since this situation was the direct failure of the Iraqi people to overthrow a genocidal maniac, I just can’t muster much respect for them until they can prove they can handle their problems, until then we’ll keep the terrorists on their heels and other threats to their stability like Iran at bay…oh, you didn’t think about them getting involved, did you.

Are you so busy pushing your agenda that you can’t see leaving immediately would reverse everything we’ve accomplished there?? How shortsighted, narrow-minded and a loser Paul MUST be.

Regarding the ICBMs, did we have to interfere with the USSR’s during the Cold War.

I don’t have the time to list the ways we watched them and subverted their attempts to spread communism where terrorists are FAR from being the USSR. You show a complete ignorance of who we’re dealing with and why we must stop them where THEY are.

Likewise, if we secured our borders, we would not have to worry about Islamic radicals.

If you had the slightest clue how woefully uninformed you are about securing our safety from terrorists…

Instead, our President decided to attack a country that had no WMDS and no al-Qaeda link

You’re just a mountain of ignorance erupting nonsense, aren’t ya’??

You couldn’t be more wrong where regardless of how many terrorists were originally there we took out a mass murdering dictator and the insurgents came to fight us there, not here.

‘I found Saddam’s WMD bunkers’ 4/19/07
http://www.melaniephillips.com/articles-new/?p=502

Don’t Be So Sure There Were No WMD in Iraq
By Rachel Neuwirth
http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/07/dont_be_so_sure_there_were_no.html

Believe Iraq or Believe the World
http://www.worldthreats.com/middle_east/Iraq-WMD.htm#_ednref75

Saddam’s Secrets: How an Iraqi General Defied & Survived Saddam Hussein
http://www.amazon.com/Saddams-Secrets-General-Survived-Hussein/dp/B000GYI1QU/ref=sr_1_1/002-0518856-6731247?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1183425937&sr=8-1

Embarrassing questions for Bush;
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=49019

Media Tries, And Fails, To Make President A Liar… AGAIN!
http://www.rightwinged.com/wmds/

NIE Intelligence Report
Iran, Nuclear Weapons, and the NIE
http://fredfile.fred08.com/blog/2007/iran-nuclear-weapons-and-the-nie/
Regarding Strfor, US Intelligence and National Intelligence Estimates
http://cartmanist.wordpress.com/2007/12/03/regarding-stratfor-us-intelligence-and-national-intelligence-estimates/

The Flaws In The Iran Report by John R. Bolton
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/05/AR2007120502234.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

The suspect provenance of the NIE report
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2007/12/the_suspect_provenance_of_the.html

“War is an ugly thing but not the ugliest of things; the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feelings which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse.” —John Stuart Mill

I’ve had more than enough of this drool. If you’re going to demand all my time in nothing more than providing you a history lesson then you need to bugger off and do some real research for yourself.

“At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child - miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill disciplined, despotic, and useless. Liberalism is the philosophy of sniveling brats.” - P.J. O’Rourke

To put this in perspective - Human Rights Watch estimated Saddam Hussein’s regime killed 250,000 to 290,000 people over 20 years.

“Established?”

You’re full of shit.

You need to study your high school civics about the difference between the legislative and executive branches of government.

I was refering only to the declaration of War, nothing else.

So, do you agree or disagree with what FDR did?

Since it was passed by Congress, I’m okay with it. I also like the fact that the equipment was paid for by Britain, even though it was just 10 cents on the dollar. However, as a general policy I beleive we should form as few entagling alliances as possible.

Like I said, the main reason we are in Iraq and the Middle East in general, is because there is oil over there. Oil that we have become dependent upon. If we had gotten serious about energy independence sooner, there would be no need for the US to be in the Middle East at all.

Me:

Like I said, the main reason we are in Iraq and the Middle East in general, is because there is oil over there. Oil that we have become dependent upon. If we had gotten serious about energy independence sooner, there would be no need for the US to be in the Middle East at all.

Israel plays an important factor too.

While you’re on the pulpit, maybe you can explain to us why Saddam isn’t personally responsible for the war dead in the Iran-Iraq War, the invasion of Kuwait, the withholding of UN aid to Shi’ites, and a myriad of other decisions that he as dictator was personally responsible for.

This all goes back to that old principle “when you start having to stick up for dictators and other totalitarian leaders, you know you’ve chosen the wrong side of the argument”.

Withholding of food aid to Shi’ites during the ‘90s is estimated to account for about 500,000 dead btw.

Iran-Iraq war… 2,000,000 causalities?

Kuwait invasion… 100,000 deaths?

2nd Iraq War (preventable had Saddam not violated say 17 UN resolutions and not been planing on re-instituting his WMD program after the end of sanctions).

This man put many many people in their grave.  It just shows what type of apologists that Ron Paul attacks that they have to apologize for one of the most brutal leaders in modern history.

er… I meant “that Ron Paul attracts”.  (t not k)

If we had gotten serious about energy independence sooner, there would be no need for the US to be in the Middle East at all.

Of all your ignorant leftie talking points, this has got to be the most egregious.  Aside from the arrogant absolute certainty about an imaginary circumstance that never happened, the ME has been a boiling cauldron of hatred for the civilized world for approximately 1300 years.  Remember the Gate of Vienna?  Even without a world market for oil, there is plenty of reason for us, and the rest of the civilized world, to be concerned about the ME.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

Since this situation was the direct failure of the Iraqi people to overthrow a genocidal maniac, I just can’t muster much respect for them until they can prove they can handle their problems, until then we’ll keep the terrorists on their heels and other threats to their stability like Iran at bay…oh, you didn’t think about them getting involved, did you.

Your ignorance is showing again. The main reasons given for going to war in the first place were proven to be false. Saddam was not stockpiling WMDs and Saddam was not harboring/aiding al-Qaeda. Both the 9/11 Commission report and the subsequent Senate intelligence report confirm this. Even Bush himself admits there were no WMDs and that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 in the video below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7xyd_IRgGs
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A47812-2004Jun16.html
[url]http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-09-08-iraq-report_x.htm

You couldn’t be more wrong where regardless of how many terrorists were originally there we took out a mass murdering dictator and the insurgents came to fight us there, not here.

The situation in Iraq now (a civil war) is a direct result of Saddam being removed from power because Saddam ruled with absolute authority there. He did not harbor or aid terrorists because he knew they were threat to his power. The US removing Saddam from power created a power vacuum, both internally in Iraq and in the Middle East. The internal vacuum has allowed Iraq to become a terorrist breeding ground now. What’s more, with Saddam gone, Iran has nothing to keep it in check now either. Cheney predicted this and talks about it in the video below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YENbElb5-xY

It’s time to face the facts.

If you had the slightest clue how woefully uninformed you are about securing our safety from terrorists…

What an eloquently defended statement. Please enlighten me how securing our borders will not help prevent a terrorist attack.

I don’t have the time to list the ways we watched them and subverted their attempts to spread communism where terrorists are FAR from being the USSR. You show a complete ignorance of who we’re dealing with and why we must stop them where THEY are.

I was talking specifically about ICBMs, nothing else. You still fail to understand that’s precisely why they are attacking us - we are over there. Bin Laden has said it, bin Laden’s followers have said it, the FBI has said it, the former head of the CIA bin Laden unit has said it, and the Iraqi people have said it. You can ignore it and rationlize it all you want - but it’s still the truth.

Of all your ignorant leftie talking points, this has got to be the most egregious.  Aside from the arrogant absolute certainty about an imaginary circumstance that never happened, the ME has been a boiling cauldron of hatred for the civilized world for approximately 1300 years.  Remember the Gate of Vienna?  Even without a world market for oil, there is plenty of reason for us, and the rest of the civilized world, to be concerned about the ME.

Do you honestly think the US does not have the capability to defend itself? We have the largest, most powerful military in the world.

The main reson we are over there is for the oil. We meddle to make sure the oil keeps flowing because we are dependent on it.

Saddam was not stockpiling WMDs and Saddam was not harboring/aiding al-Qaeda.

Nice slight of hand.

Saddam was attempting to keep his WMD program alive and was planning on restarting it after the end of sanctions.

Saddam saw himself in competition with al Qaeda for the hearts and minds of Arab Muslims.  Obviously he didn’t go out of his way to help them, but he did harbor terrorists:  It’s like a Who’s Who in Terrorism:  Abu Nidal, Abu Abbas, Abu Musab al Zarqawi, the list goes on.

He actively trained terrorists with a state-of-the-art training ground at Salman Pak, including an airline hijacking training site.

He actively funded and supported terrorist organizations: <img >

He gave $25,000 scholarships (bumped to $50,000 in 2003) to the families of suicide bombers who attacked Israel.

He created his own army of terrorist, the Saddam Fedayeen, and announced to the world his intention of destabilizing and destroying Israel with it.

So… technically you’re correct that he wasn’t funding al Qaeda. 

That’s only because he didn’t need them, he had his own terrorists.  After the fall of Afghanistan, Iraq was the single biggest state-sponsored terrorist nation in the world.

That you right this off as ... he wasn’t funding al Qaeda.  That just illustrates how damned ignorant you are.

Corrected image:

Notice that yeah.  Al Qaeda’s not on there.  It must be safe.

All that horsesh&t and still no list of Herr Doktor’s accomplishments.

Una Salus Victus Nullam Sperare Salutem

Do you honestly think the US does not have the capability to defend itself?
We have the largest, most powerful military in the world. Which your idiot Ron Paul would refuse to use unless Americans get killed and Congress decides that we maybe should do something about it.  Foolish to the extreme.  The guy isn’t a leader, he’s a follower, like Clinton.

The main reson we are over there is for the oil. We meddle to make sure the oil keeps flowing because we are dependent on it.  The only thing flowing here is your stream of leftie talking points, which are lies.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

Even Bush himself admits there were no WMDs and that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 in the video below.

So, when the President says something that agrees with your leftie talking points, he’s telling the truth, but when he says something that doesn’t agree with your leftie talking points, he’s a liar?  How convenient!

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

Israel plays an important factor too.

You’re right. Care to explain why we are so concerned about Israel? They do nothing for us. Were you aware that the US gives 3x times the aid to Arab countries in the Mideast as we do Israel? Interesting, huh?

While you’re on the pulpit, maybe you can explain to us why Saddam isn’t personally responsible for the war dead in the Iran-Iraq War, the invasion of Kuwait, the withholding of UN aid to Shi’ites, and a myriad of other decisions that he as dictator was personally responsible for.

Saddam is to blame for some of that, but so is a meddling US foreign policy. The US has no qualms about being in bed with brutal dictators when it feels the need to.

When oil interests were threatened, the CIA overthrew the elected Shah in Iran and replaced him with a dictator. Blowback occurred in the taking of US hostages in 1979.

When the Soviets were in Afghanistan, the US backed bin Laden and trained him with our CIA to fight them. That backfired when the Soviets left and bin Laden turned on the US after he saw how many of our troop were in his home country (Saudi Arabia).

When Saddam was fighting Iran, the US supported Saddam and gave him weapons. This backfired when he used the weapons on his own people.

The US protects the Saudi monarchy with its military so that they will sell us oil and buy our weapons. Average Saudi citizens however, can’t stand the US and want the US out of Iraq immediately. http://www.terrorfreetomorrow.org/upimagestft/TFT Saudi Arabia Survey.pdf

If the US were truly interested in liberating the innocent throughout the world, we would be in places like Darfur, the Congo, etc. We aren’t though because they don’t have anything we need.

Open your eyes! We are over there for the oil. What’s more, it is easy to see how a meddling US foreign policy has had disasterous and unintended consequences in the Mideast.

Care to explain why we are so concerned about Israel? They
do nothing for us. Another leftie lie.  They are our main ally in the ME and are a free country in the midst of religious slavery. Were you aware that the US gives 3x times the aid to Arab countries in the Mideast as we do Israel? Interesting, huh?  Israel is a vital economy, while those of the Arab countries are in the dumper.  Duh.  We give Israel military aid, so that they can keep their terrorist neighbors at bay, but we have to feed the Arabs.  Big difference.

You seem to be chock full of leftie talking points, and nothing else.  You really want us to buy your guy as a Republican?

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

Which your idiot Ron Paul would refuse to use unless Americans get killed and Congress decides that we maybe should do something about it.

How novel? You mean like the Constitution requires? Bush is on a power grab. He has blatantly increased his powers beyond constitutional limits, more so than any other President as this video shows.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=xaBj4QfoC6U&feature=related

Your ignorance is showing again. The main reasons given for going to war in the first place were proven to be false.

What did you think those links were for, decoration??
Study your ass off for the next year an you MIGHT get a clue. Until then don’t talk to me son, you’re pissin me off.

“At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child - miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill disciplined, despotic, and useless. Liberalism is the philosophy of sniveling brats.” - P.J. O’Rourke

So, when the President says something that agrees with your leftie talking points, he’s telling the truth, but when he says something that doesn’t agree with your leftie talking points, he’s a liar?  How convenient!

No, I’m only pointing out how he was wrong about WMDs and the Iraq/al-Qeada link and how even he admits that now looking back. He sold to Americans under false pretenses and he admits it.

What you also fail to overlook is that the US cannot even afford to continue the occupation unless it borrows close to $2 billion dollars per day from countries like China. The US is broke and it is on course for a huge wake-up call.

Perhaps, you’re not aware that most liberal & conservative economists confirm that the US faces a bad financial disaster in the not so distant future, if we do not change course quickly. Yet, Dr. Paul is the only Presidential candidate running with the courage to bring attention to this issue.

Just about everyone else in Washington or running for President pretends like it doesn’t exist and still wants to keep spending and spending by borrowing close to $2 billion per day from China, Saudi Arabia, etc.

Both parties are guilty of this awful fiscal irresponsibility. Democrats by establishing or funding massive entitlement programs. Republicans by funding Medicare Rx drug coverage, the War, and the Military Industrial complex.
 
http://youtube.com/watch?v=OS2fI2p9iVs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-16u9x3tfE
http://youtube.com/watch?v=GcvMPo38HQo
http://youtube.com/watch?v=25_APRkrXeY
http://youtube.com/watch?v=M4yB4nlk_Zw
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/10/28/business/main2135398.shtml
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2004-10-03-debt-cover_x.htm
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/03/01/60minutes/main2528226.shtml
This issue affects every American! If we don’t get our spending under control quickly, we will face disasterous consequences! Dr. Paul is the only candidate that will do something about this as President. Dr. Paul also has the voting record to prove it.

What an eloquently defended statement. Please enlighten me how securing our borders will not help prevent a terrorist attack.

Unlike you I know what not to put on the internet where I would truly love to meet you and discuss it.

“At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child - miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill disciplined, despotic, and useless. Liberalism is the philosophy of sniveling brats.” - P.J. O’Rourke

They are our main ally in the ME

So what exactly does Israel do for us as our ally?

What did you think those links were for, decoration??
Study your ass off for the next year an you MIGHT get a clue. Until then don’t talk to me son, you’re pissin me off.

Is Iraq and Middle East more stable now that Saddam is gone?

Are there more or less terrorists in Iraq now that Saddam is gone?

You seem to be chock full of leftie talking points, and nothing else.  You really want us to buy your guy as a Republican?

Suggest you take a look at the history of Republican party. Only recently has it strayed from it’s conservative roots. You must be a big governement, warmongering neo-con. I’m a traditional, small government, humble foreign policy Republican.

What did you think those links were for, decoration??
Study your ass off for the next year an you MIGHT get a clue. Until then don’t talk to me son, you’re pissin me off.

I see . . . you’re beloved President, the 9/11 Commission, the CIA, and the FBI are all lying about no WMDs and the lack of Saddam al-Qaeda link. It’s a conspiracy!

Me: The Israelis provide 24/7/365 monitoring of Islamic chatter and coded messages, forwarding them to the NSA and our State Department.

Mossad has - on more than one occasion - intervened on our behalf, resulting in regrettable fatal accidents and other tragedies amongs folks we can’t get to.

Israel provides safe ports and landing strips for our personnel in the Middle East.

“Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other vews.

William F. Buckley Jr.

Not surprised that FDR is a hero to the Israel Firsts here, as far as protecting the world, is that the lefty in you? or should we just attack those who threaten that shitty little welfare state, you know our capital Israel?

Do you really think that if marijuana or other drugs became legal more people would use them? The only problem I see if they were legalized is that the government would tax the shit out of it, to the some Mob takes it over and it would be the same shit in the end anyway.

But you got to love free enterprise even if it’s illegal right? I’m from NY $6.50 for a pack of smokes, F that. I’ll rather pay the $3.50 I pay to the “Bad Guys”

This list is pretty easy to break down, the questions do not concern the United States they concern Israel, Who will serve Israel the best?

Your boy Fred has been to Israel and in the end will visit there more often than any state here while driving his little red pick up that we payed for while he begs for money for gas.

If you really want to help Fred out, send him a few cases of RedBull, that way he can flap his arms to Israel and spread his cheeks wide.

I shouldn’t just pick on Fred, the poor guy could barley keep awake, there all the same puppets. All except for Ron Paul that is.

In the end, the only thing that matters is how far your willing to bend over for that shitty little welfare state named Israel right all you Israel Firsts?

Is Iraq and Middle East more stable now that Saddam is gone?

You bet your ass it is, for US.

Are there more or less terrorists in Iraq now that Saddam is gone?

A lot less terrorists really pissed off they didn’t have any virgins waiting for them at all.

Enough!

“At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child - miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill disciplined, despotic, and useless. Liberalism is the philosophy of sniveling brats.” - P.J. O’Rourke

Not surprised that FDR is a hero to the Israel Firsts here,

Personally, I’m not a big fan of FDR. (Then, neither am I an “Israel First” whatever that is!) But, I am intellectually honest enough not to have to lie about or diminish the accomplishments of everyone I disagree with.
Who knows, WETBACK? Someday I might find something nice to say about you!

Shrugging off the mindless, baseless attacks of Liberal hyenas and jackals since 2007

”(Proof) You’re, as we say in Hawaii, No Ka Oi!”

-unsolicited testimonial

Luap Nor makes himself a non-candidate by virtue of the fact he has been in Congress 28 years and done absolutely NOTHING, EVER, PERIOD to fix any of the issues he and the paulettes screech&wail; about. Not. One. Single. Thing. And has spent that time sucking up tax dollars.

Luap Nor IS big government.

We put elected officials in office to PRODUCE results for the benefit of we, the people…not to refuse to work at introducing legislation and gathering support for same. If he doesn’t want to do that he should return to private life and stick his head back under the stirrups.

Your ignorance is showing again. Are you sure you’re both Republicans?

He has never voted to raise taxes.
http://www.house.gov/paul/press/press2007/pr022107.htm
He has never voted for an unbalanced budget.
He has never voted for a federal restriction on gun ownership.
He has never voted to raise congressional pay.
He has never taken a government-paid junket.
He has never voted to increase the power of the executive branch.

He voted against the Patriot Act.
He voted against regulating the Internet.
He voted against the Iraq war.

He does not participate in the lucrative congressional pension program.
He returns a portion of his annual congressional office budget to the U.S. treasury every year.
http://thevineofhob.newsvine.com/_news/2008/01/15/1228929-congressman-paul-returns-thousands-to-treasury

Congressman Paul introduces numerous pieces of substantive legislation each year, probably more than any single member of Congress.
http://www.house.gov/paul/legis/welcome.htm

He voted against the Patriot Act. With the lefties.
He voted against regulating the Internet. One good thing.
He voted against the Iraq war.  With the lefties.

The “never voted” stuff isn’t impressive.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

Are there more or less terrorists in Iraq now that Saddam
is gone?

There are more dead ones, that’s for sure.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

I’m a traditional, small government, humble foreign policy Republican.

You’re just another lying leftie.  BTW, I’m not Jewish, so you can stick your antisemitic slurs where the sun don’t shine.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

Wetback:

Not surprised that FDR is a hero to the Israel Firsts here, as far as protecting the world, is that the lefty in you? or should we just attack those who threaten that shitty little welfare state, you know our capital Israel?

That is pure, unadultered anti-Semitism and racist speech! You should be rejected, marginalyzed and ignored like any hate filled racist by everyone here and in the country, you are no different than any hood wearing white supremacist!

FDR is hardly a favorite of most conservatives, although he is worthy of respect as POTUS during the Depression and WW-II.

To support Israel is to support the right of the Jews to their ancient and always held homeland and as a strong, Democratic ally and a critical friend in the Middle East. To hate miltant, murderous Islam is not to hate Arabs or Muslims or prefer Israel because of a dislike for Islam.

In keeping silent about evil, in burying it deep within us, so that it appears nowhere on the surface, we are implanting it, and it will rise up a thousandfold in the future.
Alexander Solzhenitsyn. The Gulag Archipelago

He sold to Americans under false pretenses and he admits it.

You just keep parroting lying leftie talking points.  There were 16 reasons for taking out Saddam’s murdering regime, and WMD(which were there) were only one reason.  It is you who keep lying.  You are a tool of the left.  Shame on you!

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

FDR is hardly a favorite of most conservatives, although he is worthy of respect as POTUS during the Depression and WW-II.

Agree about WWII.
Disagree about the Depression; he prolonged it with his socialism.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

Me: The Israelis provide 24/7/365 monitoring of Islamic chatter and coded messages, forwarding them to the NSA and our State Department.

We have the technology and resources to do this ourselves, if we want to. I don’t have any problem with Israel. I just want us to stop defending and supporting it with American lives and tax dollars. Israel can defend itself.  It has 168,000 troops and over 200 nukes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Defense_Forces#Service_and_manpower

Mossad has - on more than one occasion - intervened on our behalf, resulting in regrettable fatal accidents and other tragedies amongs folks we can’t get to.

We shouldn’t be doing this. As I have shown there are unintended consequences from this kind of intervention. Plus, we have our own special forces, if we decide we want to take action like that.

I am not defending terrorists. After 9/11 Dr. Paul voted in favor of invading Afghanistan to find Osama Bin Laden. He supports the Letter’s of Marquee and Reprisal to counter terrorism. The issue of Marquee and Reprisal was raised before Congress by Ron Paul after the September 11, 2001 attacks, and again on July 21, 2007. Paul, defining the attacks as an act of “air piracy,” introduced the Marquee and Reprisal Act of 2001, which would have granted the president the authority to use Letters of Marquee and Reprisal against the specific terrorists, instead of warring against a foreign state.

Israel provides safe ports and landing strips for our personnel in the Middle East.

Which we wouldn’t need if our military wasn’t over there. PS: So do Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and Dubai

Alright, I’ll do what they wanted.

I’ll post Paul’s very own column right here on this page.

“At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child - miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill disciplined, despotic, and useless. Liberalism is the philosophy of sniveling brats.” - P.J. O’Rourke

You’re just another lying leftie.  BTW, I’m not Jewish, so you can stick your antisemitic slurs where the sun don’t shine.

Ha . . . good one. By that logic, if I’m anti-semitic for not wanting to defend Israel, then you must be anti-islamic for supporting the War, right?

I don’t play favorites. I don’t want to use American lives to defend any country, except the one I live in. I am against the use of US troops for any form of pre-emptive war.

“War is an ugly thing but not the ugliest of things; the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feelings which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse.” —John Stuart Mill

“At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child - miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill disciplined, despotic, and useless. Liberalism is the philosophy of sniveling brats.” - P.J. O’Rourke

Me:

Care to explain why we are so concerned about Israel?

Israel has the largest military in the Middle East, they are a nuclear power.  Another Middle East war could escalate to a global scale war involving the use of nuclear, biological and chemical weapons.  And this would happen in the region of the world that produces much of the world’s oil supply.

This is very serious shit.

When oil interests were threatened, the CIA overthrew the elected Shah in Iran and replaced him with a dictator. Blowback occurred in the taking of US hostages in 1979.

Are you a complete retard?  The Shah of Iran was not an elected.  It was a hereditary position.  We did overthrow the democratically elected   Mohammad Mossadegh, but it was because of concerns that his government was weak and would be overthrown by socialists who were working in collusion with the Soviet Union.

When Saddam was fighting Iran, the US supported Saddam and gave him weapons. This backfired when he used the weapons on his own people.

More ignorance on your part.  US aid was in the noise level:

No, I’m only pointing out how he was wrong about WMDs and the Iraq/al-Qeada link and how even he admits that now looking back. He sold to Americans under false pretenses and he admits it.

Not only are you ignorant of history, you’re ignorant of current events.  Yes they were wrong about stockpiles of WMD, but we didn’t fight the war just on the basis of current WMD, it was also on the future threat of WMD.  I made that clear earlier.

Regarding al Qaeada, at this point I’ll have to assume you are just lying or plain stpuid. I’ve already pointed out your error in assuming that terrorist threat=al Qaeda threat.

But Bush also gave other reasons:  human rights, establishment of a democracy leading to Middle East stability, and protecting world oil supply.

Ha . . . good one. By that logic, if I’m anti-semitic for not wanting to defend Israel, then you must be anti-islamic for supporting the War, right?

Wrong again, leftie!  You used the antisemitic smear “neocon”, which doesn’t apply to me at all.
You’re so programmed, you probably don’t know the origin of the word.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

That is pure, unadultered anti-Semitism and racist speech! You should be rejected, marginalyzed and ignored like any hate filled racist by everyone here and in the country, you are no different than any hood wearing white supremacist!

FDR is hardly a favorite of most conservatives, although he is worthy of respect as POTUS during the Depression and WW-II.

To support Israel is to support the right of the Jews to their ancient and always held homeland and as a strong, Democratic ally and a critical friend in the Middle East. To hate miltant, murderous Islam is not to hate Arabs or Muslims or prefer Israel because of a dislike for Islam.

How long are you going to try to convince everybody here to ignore me?

To support Israel is to support the right of the Jews to their ancient and always held homeland

Here we go again, you try to turn this into a biblical discussion and when I call you on it, you say more or less this is not the place.

Have you ever heard about that study that claimed that Palestinians have more “JEW” blood in them than some “JEWS” do living in Israel.

I read the bible, and I advise everyone to. You will never get the truth from your church, pastor. Some of those churches even hide there child molesters. You want the truth read the bible and pray to God.

Don’t believe me or Neiman.

He voted against the Patriot Act. With the lefties

So you have no problem with the governent being able to search your home without a warrant or without you ever knowing they were even there?

What about allowing the FBI to search your telephone, email and financial records without a court order?

What about listening to your phone calls without a warrant?

What about checking your library and video rental records without a warrant?

“He who would trade liberty for some temporary security, deserves neither liberty nor security.” - Ben Franklin

Get a clue! Republicans have traditioanlly defended civil liberties. Bush used fear to pass this and it shows. A lot of these provisions were subsequently ruled unconstitutional.

Me: You asked what Israel does for us. I answered. If you want to debate the merits of Israel’s efforts on our behalf, thats another matter.

As I said, israel has numerous interpreters skilled in various Arabic dialects. We do not. All the technology we possess doesn’t change that fact.

“We shouldn’t be doing that.”  Political assassinations are as old as mankind. Are you suggesting that we should not have attempted the assassination of Hitler, if the chance had presented itself? How many lives would be saved if we could eliminate Bin Laden with one shot?

I never suggested that Israel was the only friendly port in a storm in the Middle East.

BTW: Our military is there for one reason only: OIL! Without which, our economy would collapse in a few weeks with untold suffering and death for millions.

“Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other vews.

William F. Buckley Jr.

me: My answer to all your “questions”(leftie talking points, every one), is that I’m not a terrorist, and yes, I want a President who is a leader, and who will act to defend us, not a weakling who won’t fight those who intend to destroy us.

Most of your questions contained the usual leftie lies, btw.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

BTW: Our military is there for one reason only: OIL! Without which, our
economy would collapse in a few weeks with untold suffering and death
for millions.

That’s only one of the short-range reasons; the most important one is to establish a modern state in the middle of a medieval terrorist hell, and one that is our ally.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

Are you a complete retard?  The Shah of Iran was not an elected.  It was a hereditary position.  We did overthrow the democratically elected Mohammad Mossadegh, but it was because of concerns that his government was weak and would be overthrown by socialists who were working in collusion with the Soviet Union.

My bad. I waa typing too fast. I got them reversed. Mossadegh was overthrown because he threated US oil interests. He wanted to nationalize the Iranian oil industry, which had been under British control. That couldn’t happen according to the US.

More ignorance on your part.  US aid was in the noise level:

So you’re claiming the US didn’t gave Saddam weapons to use against Iran that he then decided to use on his own people? Err . . . wrong! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._support_for_Iraq_during_the_Iran-Iraq_war

Yes they were wrong about stockpiles of WMD

Ha . . . not according to your boy Winghunter. Which is it?

Regarding al Qaeada, at this point I’ll have to assume you are just lying or plain stpuid. I’ve already pointed out your error in assuming that terrorist threat=al Qaeda threat.

You’re right. The 9/11 report is wrong. There was a collaborative relationship. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5223932/

But Bush also gave other reasons:  human rights, establishment of a democracy leading to Middle East stability, and protecting world oil supply.

Human rights and the establishment of a democracy? How about the right of Iraqis wanting us to leave now? Did you forget about that? Did you ever think maybe most Iraqis don’t want a democracy?

Wrong again, leftie!  You used the antisemitic smear “neocon”, which doesn’t apply to me at all.
You’re so programmed, you probably don’t know the

Uhhh . . . last time I checked. Neo-con was neo-conservative. I think of a new conservative as someone who likes big government and warmongering. This is opposed to a plain old conservative. http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/s_196286.html

Our own damn government is destroying us, you have Reps who have become worse than liberals. What does it mean to have the title of Republican any more?

I don’t know even Ron Paul is a little to libertarian for me, I would prefer someone who isn’t in love with Israel, to also stand for constitutionally banning abortion and same sex marriage. There are probably a few other things, but I’ll stop there.

Then when Ron Paul softens up his stand on illegals by saying something like “If our economy was better, than maybe we wouldn’t mind as much” it makes me sick.

But in any case Republicans aren’t Republicans anymore. Everyone’s gone so politically correct and soft that I think America is doomed.

Me:

Mossadegh was overthrown because he threated US oil interests.

You’re thinking regionally again.  Not just US interests.  Free world interests.

So you’re claiming the US didn’t gave Saddam weapons to use against Iran that he then decided to use on his own people? Err . . . wrong! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._support_for_Iraq_during_the_Iran-Iraq_war

The numbers don’t lie.  Our contribution was “in the noise level”.  The vast majority of Iraq’s military was Soviet, German and French in that order:

They drove T-72 tanks, fired German artillery, used Chinese, Soviet and German mines, shot Russian AK-47s, flew French Mirages.  US involvement was at the level of a few hundred anti-tank missiles.  Not even of tactical importance.

The way I see it, there are a lot of people who think it’s hip to hate on the US, even if you have to fictionalize history to carry it off.  Apparently you Ron Paul supporters are among them.  That’s just shameful.

Ha . . . not according to your boy Winghunter. Which is it?

Winghunter isn’t actually my son.  I know there’s a resemblance.  LOL.

You’re right. The 9/11 report is wrong. There was a collaborative relationship. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5223932/

Reading comprehension isn’t your strong suit is it?

I said there wasn’t a collaborative relationship between al Qaeda and Iraq. Now you’re just making yourself look goofy.  Iraq sponsored terror, and was in competition with al Qaeda for Arab Muslims hearts and minds.

How about the right of Iraqis wanting us to leave now? Did you forget about that? Did you ever think maybe most Iraqis don’t want a democracy?

Your Jedi mind-reading tricks aren’t working.

Most Iraqis don’t want us to leave.  Most want democracy.  Where do you get that crap?

Me: You asked what Israel does for us. I answered. If you want to debate the merits of Israel’s efforts on our behalf, thats another matter.

Agreed.

BTW: Our military is there for one reason only: OIL! Without which, our economy would collapse in a few weeks with untold suffering and death for millions.

Bingo. Give this man a prize! This is also why we need to start seeking energy independence ASAP.

“We shouldn’t be doing that.” Political assassinations are as old as mankind. Are you suggesting that we should not have attempted the assassination of Hitler, if the chance had presented itself? How many lives would be saved if we could eliminate Bin Laden with one shot?

Assassinations during a declared War or going after someone who attacked us first are one thing? Overthrowing governments or attacking a country in the name of oil is something entirely different. I am not against all war, only pre-emptive war.

me: My answer to all your “questions”(leftie talking points, every one), is that I’m not a terrorist, and yes, I want a President who is a leader, and who will act to defend us, not a weakling who won’t fight those who intend to destroy us.

Most of your questions contained the usual leftie lies, btw.

I never claimed you were terrorist. Are you saying that I am, because I believe in the liberties granted under the Constitution? Keep telling yourself its okay for the government to spy on its own citizens without a warrant. Don’t slip too far on that slope.

Why do they want to destroy us? I have shown why. We are not disliked by Muslims for our freedoms, we are disliked for what we do via US foreign policy in the Mideast.
Think about it, if it was that simple, why haven’t other Western-type free societies attacked by Muslims? Why wasn’t Canada attacked? Or as bin Laden says, “Contrary to what Bush says and claims—that we hate freedom—let him tell us then, Why did we not attack Sweden?”.

You’re right . . . Muslims aren’t pissed that we are in their country even though they want us out. They are not pissed that we are building bases and an embassy the size of the vatican in their country. They are not pissed that we give unconditional support to Israel. They are not pissed that over 150,000 of their relatives have been killed since this occupation. They are not pissed that over 1 million of them are refugees now. They are not pissed that our troops are in what they consider their holy land. Average Muslims are not pissed that we support middle-eastern police states (monarchies) like Saudi Arabia to get oil, while they go hungry.

None these things would cause any Muslim to even think of attacking the US.

You’re right . . . the former head of the CIA bin Laden unit is wrong when he says it’s US foreign policy causing us to lose the war of terror, which is a tactic by the way, not a country.

I said there wasn’t a collaborative relationship between al Qaeda and Iraq. Now you’re just making yourself look goofy. Iraq sponsored terror, and was in competition with al Qaeda for Arab Muslims hearts and minds.

Apparently you’re too dense for sarcasm. The 9/11 report determined there was NO collaborative relationship. But the Report is wrong according to you. You know more than a Commission staffed by nearly 80 full-time employees, contractors, and detailees that worked for close to 2 years to prepare a full and complete account of the circumstances surrounding the 9/11 attacks.

Most Iraqis don’t want us to leave.  Most want democracy.  Where do you get that crap?

Oh I don’t know, maybe multiple polls and studies, including ones commissioned by our own State Dept and Army. Your ignorance is showing again!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/26/AR2006092601721.html
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articles/brmiddleeastnafricara/165.php?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/18/AR2007121802262_pf.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,,2237453,00.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQFa7fjO0Ys

I never claimed you were terrorist.

I never said you did; I only said that none of your leftie fantasies bothers me because I’m not a terrorist, and the Patriot Act keeps me safe from terrorists.
Are you really that dense?

Radical Islam declared war on the rest of the world 1300 years ago, and in a campaign of terror and murder(conversion by the sword), massacred their way across the ME and Eastern Europe.  Sorry you don’t know that.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

Where do you get that crap?

From his leftie handlers, obviously.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

I think of a new conservative as someone who likes big government and warmongering.

Wrong.  A neoconservative is one who is newly conservative; it was originally applied to Jews(who were traditionally liberal) who had seen the light and embraced conservatism.  Your antisemitic smear is just wrong, as I said before.
I was right, you don’t know the origin of the word.  More leftie ignorance.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

The 9/11 report determined there was NO collaborative relationship.

The 9/11 commission was headed up by Jaime Gorelick,  a faithful Clintonista who wanted to deflect the blame from her old boss and herself.  At his command, she created the barrier between the intel agencies that kept them from pooling the info that might have prevented the attacks.  Nice source, leftie.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

BTW, “me”; conservatives stand for limited govt, low taxes and a strong national defense, along with a free enterprise economic system featuring individual independence.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

ME:

The 9/11 report determined there
was NO collaborative relationship. But the Report is wrong according to
you.

How dense can you possibly be?

What I’m saying is no on “collaborative relationship with al Qaeda”.

Yes on “sponsors its own brand of terrorism”.

LMAO at you.

Robert108, I have never accepted an operational relationship between al Qaeda and Iraq.  As I pointed out above there are strong linkages between Iraq and terrorism, plenty of evidence that Saddam very much wanted to be seen as the savior of the Arab Muslim people, and so forth.

I just so no evidence that a megalomaniac like Saddam was ever very interested in “sharing the glory” with groups like al Qaeda.

Radical Islam declared war on the rest of the world 1300 years ago, and in a campaign of terror and murder(conversion by the sword), massacred their way across the ME and Eastern Europe.  Sorry you don’t know that.

A lot of people in this world don’t like Americans very much at all (French, Canadians, etc). They don’t do anything about or attack us, though. Why? The difference is we are not in their country telling them how to live their lives by force. Your problem is that you don’t look at our actions from the Iraqi or terrorist perspective.

They told us before 9/11 that they were pissed at us for being in Saudia Arabia and supporting Israel unconditionally. 

As I have shown, we don’t need to defend Isreal, it can defend itself just fine. You actually believe that instead of protecting our borders from a few more bad guys 1/2 a world away or taking out specific individuals responsible for 9/11, it was better to go over and invade an entire country? Terrorism is a tactic practiced by individuals - it has no army, no navy, no air force, no ICBMS. Yea, going over there, made a lot of sense. That didn’t piss them off even more.

What’s more, not only did it make it worse, the power vacuum created by removing Saddamm has now created breeding ground for even more terrorists. And Iraqis and Muslims in the region who used be indifferent, now hate us and want us to leave immediately. Brilliant plan!

Me:

What’s more, not only did it make it worse, the power vacuum created by removing Saddamm has now created breeding ground for even more terrorists. And Iraqis and Muslims in the region who used be indifferent, now hate us and want us to leave immediately. Brilliant plan!

Numerically there are fewer terrorist now than before the Iraq invasion, they are much less well organized, less well trained and much less well funded.

What part went wrong again?

I was right, you don’t know the origin of the word.  More leftie ignorance.

Did you go to the link I provided, you idiot? Neo-con has multiple meanings. I was using the term as someone who likes big government and warmongering.

BTW, “me”; conservatives stand for limited govt, low taxes and a strong national defense, along with a free enterprise economic system featuring individual independence.

I believe in all those things. However, I interpret a “strong national defense” as just that - a defense. Pre-emptive war is not a defense. I also believe in going War only when it is declared. If that makes me a “leftie” in your eyes, so be it.

Me, your brilliant strategic plan for fighting terrorism seems to be “let’s hide in the closet and hope they go away”.

News flash to Mr. Genius!  You don’t win wars that way!

The strategy we are employing probably will work, even if it’s not one I would have selected. Fight them on their land, kill enough of them, and eventually the rest will figure out that you can’t f**k with us.

Being afraid of pissing them off frankly will just embolden them.

Numerically there are fewer terrorist now than before the Iraq invasion, they are much less well organized, less well trained and much less well funded.

What part went wrong again?

Proof or references?

According to the NIE it is worse now than it was before, but you know better than our own intellience agencies, right?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/23/AR2006092301130.html

Need another? Still don’t think it’s made it worse?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A28876-2005Feb16.html

“The Iraq conflict, while not a cause of extremism, has become a cause for extremists,” Goss said in his first public testimony since taking over the CIA. Goss said Abu Musab Zarqawi, a Jordanian terrorist who has joined al Qaeda since the U.S. invasion, “hopes to establish a safe haven in Iraq” from which he could operate against Western nations and moderate Muslim governments.

“Our policies in the Middle East fuel Islamic resentment,” Vice Adm. Lowell E. Jacoby, director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, told the Senate panel. “Overwhelming majorities in Morocco, Jordan and Saudi Arabia believe the U.S. has a negative policy toward the Arab world.”