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as North Dakota home school family, don’t think issues like this are isolated to the West coast. Ask any home school family and North Dakota’s rules on home schooling are some of the most stringent in the US. What totally bothers me is when did the government decided they know what is best for our children?

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When did the government decide(d) they know what is best for our children?

* When they decided that your kid needed inocculations and floridation to attend school.
* When they decided that children could not pray or otherwise express their religious convictions in public.
* When they decided that your kid had to wear a helmit to ride his bike.
* When they decided that kids could not wear American flag symbols to school.
* When they decided that children didn’t need to know about George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and Abraham Lincoln, but needed to read “Johnny Has Two Dads”.
* When they decided your kid was equally guilty if he protected himself against a bully.
* When they decided that reciting The Pledge of Allegiance made some children uncumfortable.
* When they decided that federal nutrition standards were more important than your choices for your child’s diet.
* When they decided that you were abusive if you spanked your child. 
* When they decided that school sports had to be banned because someone had to lose.
* When they decided that your daughter could get an abortion without your knowledge or permission.
* When they decided that your kid would have to sit by himself if he brought a peanut-butter sandwich to school.

and on and on and on....

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

The stakes are high. Whether the issue is the economy, or energy, or the federal courts or national security, the right answers are coming not from the Democrats, but from the Republicans. The surge of operations that began a year ago is succeeding. The only way to lose this fight is to quit. Richard M. Cheney, Vice President, 30 May, 2008

Calling all Auntie Spelling Bea’s
Calling all Aunite Spelling Bea’s

B O...poof...hello???

When did the government decide

When we gave them the authority though our representative government.

Besides who wants a bunch of kids running around “believing” the earth is 6,000 years old?

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

all of that and more. when it comes to home schooling that really bothers me. we are required to have a mentor teacher from the school district monitor our activities. here’s a snap shot of requirements

Required Subjects:
1. English language arts, including reading, composition, creative writing, English grammar, and spelling.
2. Mathematics.
3. Social studies, including the United States Constitution, and United States history, geography, and government.
4. Science, including agriculture.
5. Physical education.
6. Health, including physiology, hygiene, disease control, and the nature and effects of alcohol, tobacco, and narcotics.

the kicker is that if they have a ‘problem’ then it’s okay to home school…

Achievement test required in grades 4, 6, 8 and 10. A certified teacher must administer the test, and it must be given in the child’s learning environment or the public school at the option of the parent. In certain conditions the school will pay for the test and the administration. Results must be provided to the local public school superintendent or county superintendent of schools. If the child’s composite score falls below the 30th percentile, the child must be professionally evaluated for a potential learning problem by a multidisciplinary assessment team.

Any child with any developmental disability may be homeschooled.

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if the best you can come up with is to bash my spelling...i really dont kare.

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’though’ our representative government.

Now where is that Auntie Spelling Bea when we really need her?

And you really think we want our “representative government” providing secret abortions to our children?

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

The stakes are high. Whether the issue is the economy, or energy, or the federal courts or national security, the right answers are coming not from the Democrats, but from the Republicans. The surge of operations that began a year ago is succeeding. The only way to lose this fight is to quit. Richard M. Cheney, Vice President, 30 May, 2008

if the best you can come up with is to bash my spelling...i really dont kare.

Hey Doug, knee jerk much?
Where did you misspell anything?

Though!!!!!!

AHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA

Calling all Spelling Bea’s!!!!!

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

i make a common practice to mispel on a regualr basis.

knee jerk? yeah, pretty much every day. jsut like misseplling

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Any child with any developmental disability may be homeschooled.

Oh, ok ya got this one wrong...damn where are the spelling Bea’s this morning?

And you really think we want our “representative government” providing secret abortions to our children?

As long as we vote them in that’s what we’re gonna get.

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

jsut like misseplling

Have B O or poof introduced themselves to you yet?

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

Guys! RBB likes to get people off thread and this childish nonsense about spelling errors is him trying to be clever. When he is off thread, ignore him!

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Neiman

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

Neiman

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

I love you Neiman, do you love me?

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

Hey Neiman,

Where is your apology for bearing false witness against me?

You have yet to produce any quote that shows that I support international law over the Constitution.

Moreover, you lied when you said you didn’t hurl biblical insults at me, after calling me Father of Lies, and calling me son of Satan.

You are a fake christian, a liar, and a vulgar man with sexual issues.

You are also a stumbling block to those who would come to Jesus. They are no doubt looking at your poor and wretched behavior and deciding that if this is christianity, no thanks, I’ll take a pass.

Ken,

You, and I, are only the latest victims of his vile, self-serving senility and waspish delusion.  Robert, 2H9, Lik, and even Rob, have all been on the receiving end of his bile.  He will never recognize his error, never acknowledge his mistakes and apologize, and never comprehend the enormity of his hypocrisy.

Eventually he will run out of people who care much what he says or posts.  Save your breath.  He’s no longer worth the trouble.

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

I admit Bat, that I am having fun with this. It is a chance to vent against someone who truly deserves it.

I suppose I should just let it go. You’re right, he does not have the introspection needed to make any of this worthwhile.

Ken,

I understand the part about having fun with this.  I am sorely tempted as well.  But he is what he is.  Then it occurred to me… save your ammunition for more worthy targets.  This isn’t challenging.  Its like picking on a six year-old girl.

Gotta go.  One of the kids got his instrument rating two weeks ago and he’s taking me flying this afternoon.  Should be fun, and I really didn’t want to face doing taxes anyway.  Later!

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Have a read at the actual case in question.

Scary shit.  Read the entire thing.  It goes beyond just this one individual case and applies to most of the home school co-ops where multiple families work together and form a cooperative school.

Now keep in mind that this is one single appeals court ruling by one group of judges that will no doubt be appealed.

What is important is that we recognize Federalism and allow California to run all the home schoolers out of the state just like they have run all the business people out of the state, just like they have run most of the upper middle class that are able to move and get out from under the tax burdens.  These are by and large good people and the state of Arizona will welcome them with open arms.  Come here, we offer the freedom to home school.  California can have our illegal immigrants that are fleeing our state because our employer sanctions laws and we will take their folks that want a quality education for their kids.  Yet another case of California’s Liberal system in action.

I am secular in my belief in how the government should operate.  I am Libertarian or as close to one as you can be.  I want to homeschool my oldest son because he is brilliant and rarely challenged in school.  I don’t want to indoctrinate him into some cult, but rather don’t want him in a classroom with 10 kids that don’t fucking speak English.  I cannot afford private school and the only real private schools are religious schools.  It is precisely because I don’t want him indoctrinated with someone else’s religious beliefs that I figure that I can enroll him in online courses from the local community college and accomplish more doing that than by sending him to learn English as a Second Language.  In Arizona and Utah, kids can still play sports, go to high school events, and so on at their respective high schools.

Try this shit on for size from California’s annual No Child Left Behind Tests:

Between spring 1999 and spring 2005, districts were required to administer the SABE/2 to Spanish-speaking English learners (ELs) in grades two through eleven who were enrolled in California public schools fewer than 12 months when the tests were administered. Districts had the option of testing Spanish-speaking English learners who were enrolled in a California public school 12 months or more when the tests were administered. The tests were administered between March 15 and May 14 of each year. Students in grades two through eleven were tested in Spanish reading and language, as well as mathematics in Spanish. Students in grades two through eight were also tested in Spanish spelling. Students were required to take the SABE/2 in addition to taking the required state achievement tests in English for their grades.

Here is what the results show:

For students administered the test as second graders, the average student math score is 69%.  For those tested as twelveth graders, that score drops to 31%.

These figures are directly from California’s testing website.  <a href="http://www.cde.ca.gov/ta/tg/sr/documents/yr06rel89summ.pdf">For junior in high school, only 35% score at proficient in English, 40% score proficient in Math, 28% in science, and 33% in history</blockquote>.

The numbers are closer to 20% in Los Angeles County and San Bernadino County.

I am hard pressed to believe that these parents can do much worse of a job, even beating their kids daily, keeping them locked in dog kennels, and feeding them only bread and water, than the drug and gang infested shithold of a public school system in California is doing.  Perhaps Child Welfare should start taking children away from these poorly performing schools and shitbag parents that came here illegally from Mexico and giving them to the state indoctrination camps that force them to learn to read, write, and speak English.

I admit Bat, that I am having fun with this. It is a chance to vent against someone who truly deserves it.

This isn’t challenging.  Its like picking on a six year-old girl.

Of course, it is much easier and a lot safer for you two to say these things under the cloak of anonimity, isn’t it? Neither of you has the manhood, honesty or decency to face any real man with your pattern of lies.

I have honestly and sincerely, recognizing my own limitations and failures, endeavored to tell the absolute Truth about everything concerning this matter between us; and yet despite my high degree of confidence that I have only and always defended the truth, still in a spirit of charity and peace making, though as the victim here I had no obligation, I still offered over and over again to apologize to you if I misread or misinterpreted anything you said, I did this many times without one word from either of you that you even read those peace making offers; rather both of you seeming to have a bit of a deity complex, have never admitted that there is even the slightest possibility you could ever be wrong; and in my defense of the truth, I have carefully documented all your lies again and again and yet like dishonest people, you choose just to deny the facts and pretend you are okay and the whole world is wrong.

Pathetic really! Sad, as it seems your parents failed to teach either of you anything about real manhood and the value of a man’s word! So, because it appears you don’t understand the concept; A man is measured by other real men by the value of his word, his word is his sacred honor and when he lies as you two appear to continue to do on a regular basis, it only exposes the fact your word about anything is useless and you cannot be trusted ever to speak the truth.

You two thought you could gang up on me and I would run away, that is because you have never risked your miserable lives for anyone or anything, you have never had to stand by your word or else. Well, I have and do and no matter how loudly or often you two lie about me, even if you gain other converts to your unholy cause, it will NEVER change the Truth. But, you don’t understand that simple fact, like the liberals you pretend to hate, you think just saying a thing is true so makes it so, no facts will be allowed to interfere.

You should both study Gen. MacArthur’s Farewell address at West Point about duty, honor and country; then after many hours of study, examine the lives of men of honor and hopefully then you will try and imitate those exceptional men that feel their word is their bond, it is the most visible mark of their character.

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

[quote]"Duty," “Honor,” “Country” - those three hallowed words reverently dictate what you want to be, what you can be, what you will be. They are your rallying point to build courage when courage seems to fail, to regain faith when there seems to be little cause for faith, to create hope when hope becomes forlorn. Unhappily, I possess neither that eloquence of diction, that poetry of imagination, nor that brilliance of metaphor to tell you all that they mean.

The unbelievers will say they are but words, but a slogan, but a flamboyant phrase. Every pedant, every demagogue, every cynic, every hypocrite, every troublemaker, and, I am sorry to say, some others of an entirely different character, will try to downgrade them even to the extent of mockery and ridicule.

But these are some of the things they do. They build your basic character. They mold you for your future roles as the custodians of the nation’s defense. They make you strong enough to know when you are weak, and brave enough to face yourself when you are afraid.

They teach you to be proud and unbending in honest failure, but humble and gentle in success; not to substitute words for action; not to seek the path of comfort, but to face the stress and spur of difficulty and challenge; to learn to stand up in the storm, but to have compassion on those who fall; to master yourself before you seek to master others; to have a heart that is clean, a goal that is high; to learn to laugh, yet never forget how to weep; to reach into the future, yet never neglect the past; to be serious, yet never take yourself too seriously; to be modest so that you will remember the simplicity of true greatness; the open mind of true wisdom, the meekness of true strength.

It is I know a foreign concept to you, but it is all that a real man has when all else fails; duty, honor, country. I was ready and able on several occasions to admit a failure in misreading or misinterpreting your comments, because honor dictates that we face the possibility of our failures, no matter how we hate to admit them. Had either of you been able as men to face the fact that there could have been a communication failure on your end, a rush to judgment and as men shook that hand of another man offering peace or at least a cease fire and said; “Okay, we may have all been imperfect in our understanding and since we agree on so many other matters, without admitting guilt, we should accept your many offers and move on as gentlemen to battle the liberal foe together,” then this would have all ended without any fuirther acrimony, but you refused to do anything but attack, attack and attack and so an unnecesary fight is being engaged by your pride and fears that you are after all frail human beings capable of error. So sad that neither of you could be real men!

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Take a look at the Census report from 2006 regarding Domestic Net Migration paterns.  California is second only to New York in domestic net outmigration.  That means that in 100,000 more US Citizens leave that state than move there.  Yet California continues to grow in population, despite the fact that each year, there are 100,000 fewer American citizens coming in than leaving.  That translates into 1M less citizen that want to move there are the end of each decade.

Add this to these figures about fertility rates showing that whites, blacks, and asians are having children at below the replacement rate:

As shown in Figure 2, Latinas have much higher fertility rates than other ethnic groups in California. As of 2005, the total fertility rate for Latinas in California was 2.9 children per woman, substantially higher than for Asians, African Americans, and whites, who all had fertility rates well below the replacement level of 2.1.

The reason why California is mandating it is because they need these kids in public schools so that they can learn to speak Spanish proficiently.

Neiman and others, don’t turn this into a personal discussion about how you communicate with each other or religion.  Let’s talk about the article that you posted and the importance of it because honestly, it is so critical that it deserves more time and attention than our squabbles.  This is beyond hugely important and getting diverted isn’t productive.  =)

Justin B: Staying on topic is a serious problem at SAB. Folks look for any little thing they can pounce on, leading to an endless series of diversions, return to issues that were flayed alive on other posts or submit a series of insults for insult’s sake.

Some read and address the original post and the comments made about it, leading to real debate while others sieze the opportunity to grap center stage with their little “hey, look at me” antics.

Its the nature of the beast, but it can be frustrating, even meaningless.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

The stakes are high. Whether the issue is the economy, or energy, or the federal courts or national security, the right answers are coming not from the Democrats, but from the Republicans. The surge of operations that began a year ago is succeeding. The only way to lose this fight is to quit. Richard M. Cheney, Vice President, 30 May, 2008

Thank you for staying on topic pp.

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

You too, RBB!

calling all Auntie Spelling Bea’

I love you Neiman, do you love me?

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

The stakes are high. Whether the issue is the economy, or energy, or the federal courts or national security, the right answers are coming not from the Democrats, but from the Republicans. The surge of operations that began a year ago is succeeding. The only way to lose this fight is to quit. Richard M. Cheney, Vice President, 30 May, 2008

http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/entry/the_california_crisis/

I posted one step further on a new reader blog entry so that we can talk about California’s real problems that go far beyond this attack on home schooling.  California is a state that isn’t even remotely friendly to whites, particullarly white parents trying to raise a family.

Oh I’m guilty alright, make no mistake about it.

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

If you had any honor or decency, Neiman, you would apologize to me, Bat, and all of the other people you have wrongly offended.

Notice how no one ever defends you, Neiman?

That is because you are invariably the one in the wrong in all of these squabbles.

This decision is an absolutely outrageous intrusion of the State into the rights of parents to raise their children as they deem best. The Longs are in compliance with the CA Ed. Code but these 3 appointed judges have arbitrarily read more into the language of the law then is actually there. Nowhere in the code does it state that a “private full-time day school” cannot be located within the parents’ home.

What I find truly scary is the judges’ assertion that the State gets to decide whether a family is homeschooling for “religious” reasons (protected by the 1st Amendment) as opposed to “philosophical” reasons (which they claim are not). Yikes!

Neiman and others, don’t turn this into a personal discussion about how you communicate with each other or religion.  Let’s talk about the article that you posted and the importance of it because honestly, it is so critical that it deserves more time and attention than our squabbles.  This is beyond hugely important and getting diverted isn’t productive.

You are right, I thanked Rob for moving this to the Front Page to get it away from this insanity and because I thought the issue was very important! I must add I didn’t take it off thread, but unfortunately in defending myself it did get way off thread. But, what should I do, allow false accusations to go unanswered?

What I find truly scary is the judges’ assertion that the State gets to decide whether a family is homeschooling for “religious” reasons (protected by the 1st Amendment) as opposed to “philosophical” reasons

Even if it is for religious reasons, so what? Sounds like a great reason to me for homeschooling. The state has no compelling interest in public schooling, only in making sure children have equal access to education. Public schools are too costly and ineffecient because they are monopolies and not subjected to competitive market forces, Someone else on another thread on the Front Page, suggested that Vouchers is the only correct answer, I would suggest simply deducting all such educational costs, whether in a private school or homeschooling is the right answer.

Notice how no one ever defends you, Neiman?

The Truth never needs a defense, only lies!

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

what should I do, allow false accusations to go unanswered?

Matthew 5:39

Neiman
Matthew 22:39
Do you Neiman?

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

someone:

Notice how no one ever defends you, Neiman?

Neiman:

The Truth never needs a defense, only lies!

Neiman:

what should I do, allow false accusations to go unanswered?

Neiman, you need professional help.

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

Scary stuff but let’s not loose sight of the fact that it’s just an appellate court ruling, for now anyways. California courts are infamous for making weird rulings especially the San Fran area court. This is of course, another attempt by liberal courts to legislate from the bench thus bypassing our constitution which they are supposed to abide by. My hope is that this ruling will be overturned by a higher court but I’m sure we haven’t heard the last on this subject.

On a side note my great state of Florida permits home schooled children to participate in sporting events of their designated public school. Heisman trophy winner Tim Teebo was one of the most highly recruited high school football players in the country and he was home schooled. If you listen to his acceptance speech at the Heisman ceremony anyone would have been amazed by Tim’s graceful and eloquent speech. Truly a product of decent parents who only want what’s best for the children.

The liberal government is out of control and the sheep in America are too blind to see it as they bow at the alter of their new messiah who preaches of greater government control.  Liberals will use the power of government to continue to seize our property and take away our liberty while continuing to rape the minds of our youth in government indoctrination facilities.  Learn more about the true agenda of political correctness at http://www.christophervan.com from the guy who wrote “Dodgeball...and 101 Other Reasons Why Political Correctness Must be Made a Crime and Liberals Made to do the Time”.

When they come to take my kids to public school, they might as well come to try to take my guns while they are at it.

What’s interesting to me is that somehow the case made it to the appellate level without the HSLDA getting involved.  Now there are some weird things about Kahleefornia (you’re shocked I’m sure), and that does include homeschooling--which traditionally falls into a part of private schooling law.  So in a manner of speaking, some might say “there is no legal homeschooling in Kahleefornia”, and in a strict, technical sense, they might be right.

However, the HSLDA has won a LOT of cases there on this very topic, cases that oddly do NOT show up in this court’s analysis.  I predict the HSLDA gets involved in this or the next case, and that LAUSD gets spanked, and HARD, in federal court.

We moved from CA to MO in the spring 2007. To go from CA homeschool regs to total freedom in MO… I say to all families in CA… Run from CA as fast as your feet can carry you. There are many states that would welcome people such as ourselves. Homeschooling Mother of 3