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Thursday, March 13, 2008

Bush says if younger, he would work in Afghanistan

“I must say, I’m a little envious,” Bush said. “If I were slightly younger and not employed here, I think it would be a fantastic experience to be on the front lines of helping this young democracy succeed.”

“It must be exciting for you ... in some ways romantic, in some ways, you know, confronting danger. You’re really making history, and thanks,” Bush said.

Afghan war trend worse than Iraq: U.S. trainer

STOCKHOLM (Reuters) - The tide of the war in Afghanistan is running against the United States and its allies, in contrast to an improving trend in Iraq, a U.S. military official and counter-insurgency expert said on Wednesday.

“Afghanistan (is) in my eyes an under-resourced war, a war that needs a whole lot more advisers, a whole lot more economic aid,” Lieutenant Colonel John Nagl told a security conference in Stockholm.

“This war is the war I’m concerned about, a war in which the United States very much needs the help of our friends.”

Nagl commands the 1st battalion of the 34th armored regiment at Fort Riley, Kansas, training U.S. transition teams that embed with Iraqi and Afghan security forces.

Thank you for not reading this, Frederic Henry.

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Anyone who sees romanticism and excitement in war is a complete lunatic. This is what thousands have died for in Iraq and Afghanistan? Lunacy?

ollie-B on March 13, 2008 at 06:30 pm

Anyone who sees romanticism and excitement in war is a complete lunatic.

The romanticism and excitement come from fighting evil. You can see this played out with almost all great stories. They all carry this dynamic.

This is what thousands have died for in Iraq and Afghanistan? Lunacy?

No. Stop being stupid.

likwidshoe on March 13, 2008 at 10:02 pm
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Why should we believe him?  He had the same opportunity as a young man and didn’t take it.

Lestat on March 13, 2008 at 10:30 pm

He had the same opportunity as a young man and didn’t take it.

Yeah, he was too busy getting all of those flight hours in a jet that had a nasty habit of blowing up in mid air.

What a pussy. He was afraid of war.

Get real, Lestat. Try being reality based sometime, eh? It won’t kill you.

likwidshoe on March 13, 2008 at 10:34 pm

First off, there is evidence that Bush actually volunteered to fly in Vietnam but was turned down in favor of more experienced pilots. Although Dan Rather / Mary Mapes had this information in their possession at the time they aired the infamous TexANG Memogate BS, they chose not to air that part of the interview, but substituted innuendo that Bush , being a young man of privilege, used his connections to hide and slide from Vietnam duty—something, by the way, that Clinton admitted to doing.

I was not “saving” him from serving his country, as he erroneously thanked me for in his letter from England (dated December 3, 1969). I was making it possible for a Rhodes Scholar to serve in the military as an officer. In retrospect I see that Mr. Clinton had no intention of following through with his agreement to join the Army ROTC program at the University of Arkansas or to attend the University of Arkansas Law School. I had explained to him the necessity of enrolling at the University of Arkansas as a student in order to be eligible to take the ROTC program at the University. He never enrolled at the University of Arkansas, but instead enrolled at Yale after attending Oxford. I believe that he purposely deceived me, using the possibility of joining the ROTC as a ploy to work with the draft board to delay his induction and get a new draft classification.

-- Affidavit of Colonel Eugene Holmes

In addition, the F-102 Delta Dart, Bush’s primary aircraft, had one of the most dangerous records to fly in the US inventory.

Yes, I suppose that in the minds of some, securing US airspace is actually not really serving at all—until you consider what can happen to the people right here at home if no one is flying top cover.

Ask any Japanese or German what it was like to be naked against allied air attacks.  The attacks took place day and night and so persistent were US and Brit strafing attacks that the Germans called them Stahlregen (Steel Rain) Imagine the feeling of horror and helplessness to feel the thrum of 4,000 engines from 1,000 bombers over your city, each dropping a load of high explosive and incendiary on your head.

While the threat we faced then was not the same nature as that faced by the civilians in the Axis countries, we had a Cuban base for Soviet and Cuban fighters and bombers, where only a few years earlier we stood at the brink of nuclear confrontation over Soviet-imported missiles.  The threat was real and it was nuclear.

The threat was more along the lines of a lone Soviet nuclear-armed BACKFIRE or BEAR bomber coming in at low altitude to Hiroshima or Nagasaki some undefended American city.

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Moreover, much of the Cold War was fought in the shadows.  Soviet Bear bomber aircraft would probe our defenses and we theirs.  The purpose of these probes were to chart the locations of American air defenses, radar sites, airfields, Nike missile batteries and the like. 

It was also a shooting war, with a fair amount of American aircraft forced down and fliers left to rot in the Soviet GULAGs. 

On July 1st, 1960 a Soviet MIG fighter shot down a U.S. Air Force RB-47 reconnaissance jet over the Barents Sea. Captains John R. McKone and Freeman B. Olmstead survived and were held in a Moscow prison until their release on January 24 th, 1961. The Soviets shot down Francis Gary Power’s U-2 on May 1st, 1960. He was held in Lubyanka and Vladimir prisons until his release on February 10th, 1962.

Soviet aircraft and ships were constantly testing each other, with quite a few incidents involving Soviet and US vessels colliding due to the aggressive communist tactics, Soviet aircraft buzzing US vessels in simulated attack runs.  The Soviets were constantly instigating something and they had to be countered.

Superpower naval confrontations naturally followed. Soviet vessels would follow U.S. warships and intentionally interfere with their operations, particularly in the Mediterranean. Often, Soviet or U.S. destroyers would steer on a collision course for their adversaries in high-stakes naval games of “chicken.” Ships bumped in many instances. The escalation eventually led to the 1972 Incidents at Sea Agreement, but in 1967, incidents still occurred regularly.

As a bong-addled smellyhippy who knows nothing of the history of warfare, perhaps you can be excused from not knowing how important it is to always have high performance aircraft ready to take off and intercept intruders at a moments’ notice.

While it was not service over Vietnam, it was service.  It was real and it was and remains necessary. 

Which is a hell of a lot more than can be said for anything those stinky, hairy types doing drugs, pissing on their country and contracting diseases at Woodstock, did for their country.


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Move_Zig on March 14, 2008 at 12:27 am

WTF???

Hilarious!!!! Colbert at his best! Brilliant!

bush swallowers crack me up.


Excuse me, you were saying?


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realitybasedbob on March 14, 2008 at 03:34 am

You are the one who is posting articles in support of GWoT and Bush, boob. Welcome aboard.

As for watashiwa, you still have not proved that GF cops are prejudiced and murdering people, why would anyone listen to you?


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2Hotel9 on March 14, 2008 at 04:48 am
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WTF???

rbb’s autobiography in three letters! smile
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rbb: Point missing as usual!



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bush swallowers crack me up.

rbb prefers being a Monica emulator.


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Proof on March 14, 2008 at 05:07 am

Proof,

No, rbb is more aptly described as Monica’s mouth piece.


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Ceterum censeo Parthia esse delendam
Latin: “Furthermore, Parthia (Persia aka modern day Iran) should be destroyed.”

Rodney Graves on March 14, 2008 at 08:26 am

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Move_Zig on March 14, 2008 at 10:23 am

2Hotel9,
Bush is a wimpy coward and you are ashamed to admit it. Furthermore, you are a blockhead who is incapable on original thought. Now go chew on that!

ollie-B on March 17, 2008 at 10:52 am

2Hotel9,
What loony bin did you escape from? If it wasn’t for this blog your world would be as dim as you are.

ollie-B on March 17, 2008 at 10:57 am

And you have still not proven that cops in Grand Forks are prejudiced and murdering people. You have proven that you hate America, you hate individual freedom(accept for your own), and that you hate anyone who does not give you your welfare check. Want a bit of salt&pepper to season that crow with, fake Indian?


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2Hotel9 on March 17, 2008 at 11:44 am

G is out of work in a few months.
Afghans would love to see him.
Hold his spot.

I think it would be a fantastic experience to be on the front lines of helping this young democracy succeed.”

WOOF on March 17, 2008 at 12:21 pm
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