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Blackwater’s NC Amory (sic) Raided

Off to a good start! Now, to the disinformation:

Federal laws prohibit private parties from buying automatic weapons, but allows law enforcement agencies to have them.

Wrong! It requires a Federal license, but private individuals can legal own fully automatic weapons. I have personally fired fully automatic weapons that are owned by a friend of mine.
What clown wrote this piece? What clown is uninformed enough to believe it? Heh.

Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

Court documents show that agents seized 22 guns as evidence from a vault dedicated to county authorities.

22 guns out of an “armory”, huh? and Blackwater didn’t even own them, the sheriffs department did. I bet the sheriff’s pissed.

"we should select our leaders on principle first, electability second.”

A young man whose wisdom far exceeds his years

Thank you Bea

Excuse me, you were saying?

BTW, boob: That’s an AP story you filched! Hope you’re ready to pony up!

Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

^ pissed at the BATF.

"we should select our leaders on principle first, electability second.”

A young man whose wisdom far exceeds his years

Federal laws prohibit private parties from buying automatic weapons, but allows (sic) law enforcement agencies to have them.

Wow, boob! Even the stories you lift have subject/verb disagreement! Heh.

Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

The company signed agreements in 2005 in which Blackwater financed the purchase of 34 automatic weapons for the Camden County Sheriff’s Office. Sheriff Tony Perry became the official owner of the weapons, but Blackwater was allowed to keep most of the guns at its armory.

So it would appear that this story is a lot to do about nothing. Typical left winger hating on Black water and anything to do with the Right.

Check out:
Goon’s North Dakota Red Neck
Goon’s World

What clown wrote this piece? What clown is uninformed enough to believe it?

Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

boob: Thanks for correcting your original headline! And thanks for doing it without acknowledging that you had to update it. Any honesty on your part would be uncharacteristic of you!

Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

So much poof and fluff and yet the fact remains: the agents of our Federal Government saw fit to raid a Blackwater armory.

Excuse me, you were saying?

Says a lot about our Democrat lead House and Senate when the BATF needs to steal firearms from local municipalities to arm themselves. That’s one I incident I never heard of happening under a fiscally irresponsible Republican controlled congress.

I can see the dem motto now....Onward, through the fog.
Stolen from the “power hitter” fog bong.

"we should select our leaders on principle first, electability second.”

A young man whose wisdom far exceeds his years

So much poof and fluff and yet the fact remains: the agents of our Federal Government saw fit to raid a Blackwater armory.

According to a story from a guy with poor grammar skills and a basic ignorance of Federal gun laws? Great source, boob! /sarcasm

Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

* When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts. 

Excuse me, you were saying?

agents of our Federal Government saw fit…

You mean, like this one?

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Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

What clown wrote this piece? What clown is uninformed enough to believe it?

* Dodges questions from other posters

Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

* When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts.

Excuse me, you were saying?

* When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts.

You haven’t shown any of my arguments to be false, rube!
And you haven’t answered my questions, either! (troll)

Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

Federal laws prohibit private parties from buying automatic weapons, but allows law enforcement agencies to have them.

Wrong! It requires a Federal license, but private individuals can legal own fully automatic weapons. I have personally fired fully automatic weapons that are owned by a friend of mine.
What clown wrote this piece? What clown is uninformed enough to believe it? Heh.

Point out the false part, boobrubebasedclown!

Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

* When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts

Heh! Turns out to be boob’s autobiography!

Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

So much poof and fluff and yet the fact remains: the agents of our Federal Government saw fit to raid a Blackwater armory.

Excuse me, you were saying?

boob: I see you still do not comprehend simple English! You cut and pasted (your specialty):

* When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts

I asked you what was false about what I posted.
You, like a lying troll, partisan hack, refuse to answer the question!

Federal laws prohibit private parties from buying automatic weapons, but allows law enforcement agencies to have them.

Wrong! It requires a Federal license, but private individuals can legal own fully automatic weapons. I have personally fired fully automatic weapons that are owned by a friend of mine.
What clown wrote this piece? What clown is uninformed enough to believe it? Heh.

Point out the false part, boobrubebasedclown!

Or just let everyone see that you are a lying, partisan hack ass-clown!

Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

So much poof and fluff and yet the fact remains: the agents of our Federal Government saw fit to raid a Blackwater armory.

Excuse me, you were saying?

So much poof and fluff and yet the fact remains: the agents of our Federal Government saw fit to raid a Blackwater armory.

Who fucken cares? Big friggen deal. Go play in your mom’s basement your effen moron.

Check out:
Goon’s North Dakota Red Neck
Goon’s World

(You)just let everyone see that you are a lying, partisan hack ass-clown!

Not even an intelligent ass-clown! All he has is cut and paste and he doesn’t even understand his own post. Pretty pathetic, boob!
Now, you can cut and paste the very same thing, since you had no argument to begin with, ...just spin and lies!
Or maybe a pointless picture? You’re good at that, too!
(Maybe next time AP will give you an argument you can lift to go along with their article?)
Heh.

Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

So much poof and fluff and yet the fact remains: rbb is a lying, partisan hack ass-clown! Heh.

Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

The private military company Blackwater has found an unusual way to skirt federal laws that prohibit private parties from buying automatic weapons. Blackwater bought 17 Romanian AK-47s and 17 Bushmasters, gave ownership of the guns to the Camden County sheriff and keeps most of the guns at Blackwater’s armory in Moyock.

Tiny Camden County—population 9,271—is one of the most peaceful in North Carolina. In the last 10 years, there have been two murders, three robberies and seven rapes reported. The sheriff has just 19 deputies.

Sheriff Tony Perry said his department has never used the 17 AK-47s outside of shooting practice at Blackwater. None of his 19 deputies are qualified to use the AK-47s, Perry said, and his department’s need for automatic weapons is “very minimal.”

...The AK-47 would be a poor choice of weapon for a SWAT team, said John Gnagey, executive director of the National Tactical Officers Association, the national organization of SWAT officers.

As a combat weapon, the AK-47 is too large and powerful for SWAT teams, Gnagey said. It is rugged but relatively inaccurate.

“And there’s the perception problem,” Gnagey said. “Every terrorist attacking the U.S. is armed with AK-47s.”

Most SWAT teams use the H&K MP5 submachine gun or the Bushmaster M4, he said.

Under federal law, only government agencies—military or law enforcement—are allowed to acquire and possess automatic weapons. There is an exception for automatic weapons purchased before May 1986, when the law went into effect.

Excuse me, you were saying?

More cut and paste and nary an answer in sight. Hack got your tongue, boob?

BTW, here’s an example of how a blogger with wit and class (and honesty) corrects a misspelling:

Update: Fixed spelling of “Canadian”.  I’m trying to save pixels by rationing A’s.  Or something like that.

But, you don’t know about that either!

Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

The National Firearms Act (NFA) of 1934
We laughingly call that a “Federal law”.

Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

So much poof and fluff and yet the fact remains: the agents of our Federal Government saw fit to raid a Blackwater armory.

Excuse me, you were saying?

The manufacture of new machine guns that civilians could purchase was effectively banned by language in the Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986.

boob ignorantly quoted this:

There is an exception for automatic weapons purchased before May 1986, when the law went into effect.

This would make you, boob, WRONG. (Is it again, or still?)
They are not manufacturing new ones for sale, (which, incidentally makes them much more expensive!)but anyone who fulfills the Federal licensing requirements (and ponies up big bucks) can legally purchase fully automatic weapons.

Any more stuff you obviously DO NOT UNDERSTAND that you’d like to cut and paste tonight, boob?

Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

So much poof and fluff and yet the fact remains: boob still doesn’t know his ass from a hole in the ground!

Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

Hey, boob? Whilst you are fucking up so egregiously how about explaining to the Guvmint how it is illegal for them to issue permits to citizens so as to purchase automatic weapons? I’m sure they will appreciate the timely heads up.

Una Salus Victus Nullam Sperare Salutem

So much poof and fluff and yet the fact remains: the agents of our Federal Government saw fit to raid a Blackwater armory.

Excuse me, you were saying?

“We believe all aspects of our contracts with the sheriff’s office are lawful and proper,” Tyrrell said, adding that the ATF has known about the arrangement for a long time.

Tyrrell also said federal authorities have known about the weapons for years and that investigators got a complete look at the company’s cache in 2005 after two employees were fired.

Kenneth Wayne Cashwell and William Ellsworth “Max” Grumiaux were sentenced this year on gunrunning charges, but they were spared prison time after federal prosecutors asked a judge to approve a lighter sentence because of their ongoing cooperation in a weapons investigation.

Blackwater said it fired the men after finding they had been stealing from the company. Cashwell operated Blackwater’s armory in 2005, Tyrrell said.

“When these guys were fired, we invited (ATF) in to do a full search of everything we possessed,” Tyrrell said. “They did a full audit, and those weapons were there at that time.”

She said it is not unusual for Blackwater to store automatic weapons because the company is licensed to sell, provide training on, or even manufacture firearms.

Both ATF and U.S. Attorney George Holding declined to comment.

This is at least a bit more information than what was provided.

Intereting that ATF already kew what was there because Blackwater invited them to come in and do an audit on the weapons stored there (after the two employees were fired), which these weapons were there also, and ATF found no problems.

In a statement emailed to ABC News, Tyrell said:

“All aspects of our contract with a local Sherriff’s Department are valid and lawful. Some of the same ATF agents involved in the current inquiry have long been aware of this arrangement as a result of visits to our facility and audits of our firearms programs at Blackwater’s request. As a company that is fully licensed to sell, provide training on, or even manufacture weapons---including machine guns---we have worked closely with the ATF to ensure we are in compliance with all applicable federal firearms laws. We look forward to cooperating with the government to resolve this allegation.”

At least with this, we have more information to discuss than what was originally given.

There is an exception for automatic weapons purchased before May 1986, when the law went into effect.

Founded in 1997, we were initially envisioned as a basic training facility to support the needs of local and regional law enforcement personnel.

Excuse me, you were saying?

Yes, before the spelling police comes out instead of discussing (or spamming cut and paste), there were a few spelling errors I missed. I should have profread before hitting submit.

Two things I have noticed:

1. Commenters have made some valid points and ask for your elaboration on this, which you seem to have failed to do time after time, essentially ignoring thier questions.

2. Your the original poster for the blog on this, and yet you are spamming cut and paste like a child, please grow up and answer questions about the article you posted on.

So, you chose to dodge the question one last time, eh, boob? Figures!

A troll is someone who only wants to stir up trouble, not have an honest debate.  Some signs that a poster is a troll:
* Dodges questions from other posters * Refuses to give sources
* When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts.  Heh.

Goodnight, troll!
I’ll waste no more time with your dishonest evasions.

Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

Founded in 1997, we were initially envisioned as a basic training facility to support the needs of local and regional law enforcement personnel.

Ok, lets start with this then.

Where is the problem if they have these automatic weapons, who reciepts show as law enforcement owned that are stored at a secure facility for training purposes for local and regional law enforcement - which the law allows?

And please don’t cut and paste the same spammed portion of the article as your answer...use that thing called a keyboard to type out something thoughtful and engaging.

sanity, thank you for asking good questions without the attack mode in full force.

Those are good question.
I’m not the one to answer them.

There obviously was some concern or our government would not have raided the enterprise’s headquarters.
I simply posted what I thought was an interesting story.

Excuse me, you were saying?

Where is the problem if they have these automatic weapons, who reciepts show as law enforcement owned that are stored at a secure facility for training purposes for local and regional law enforcement - which the law allows?

As far as I can see there is no problem what so ever.

Check out:
Goon’s North Dakota Red Neck
Goon’s World

There obviously was some concern or our government would not have raided the enterprise’s headquarters.
I simply posted what I thought was an interesting story.

Understood.

What I don’t understand from the article is that ATF knew about these weapons for years, and they also were invited in by Blackwater to do an audit of hte weapons at their location when they fired two employees for stealing from the company, and the weapons were there during an audit which the ATF did not seem to have issues with then either.

I am curious why all of a sudden ATF is doing this.

I think there is more to the story that has yet ot come out yet.

Without a doubt. This story may die quickly but a Fed raid is not something to dismiss out of hand.

Excuse me, you were saying?

From sanity’s link:

The issue has attracted local attention because Camden County, with a population of 9,721, has experienced very little violent crime, only two murders, three robberies and seven rapes, according to the Charlotte News-Observer.

From my link:

The 2005 agreements give the sheriff’s office unlimited access to the weapons, including 17 Romanian AK-47s and 17 Bushmasters. But Perry has said his department has only used the AK-47s in shooting practice at Blackwater and that none of his 19 deputies are qualified to use them.

These are suspicious doings.

Excuse me, you were saying?

the agents of our Federal Government saw fit to raid a Blackwater armory

well, mercenaries are illegal in such shit holes as south africa, among others…

Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

boob, you have yet to post anything that is suspicious in all this. As for your claim that it is illegal for citizens to own automatic weapons, you had best tell the guvmint about that, so as they can stop issuing permits for citizens to purchase and possess automatic weapons.

spark, you are 1/2 right. WHITE mercenaries are illegal in African countries. BLACK mercenaries are merrily dancing about the countryside, doing pretty well as they please.

Una Salus Victus Nullam Sperare Salutem

San, this is not a new thing for ATF. They had close relations with the owner of the structures at Mt Carmel in Texas, had spent considerable time at shooting ranges with him and other residents of said structure. The ATF prevailed upon the Sheriff of McLennan County to release the owner of that property, and less than 24 hours after conducted an illegal raid upon that structure and after several weeks they ultimately burned it down and killed a large number of children and women. ATF is not the final arbiter of right and wrong. State and Federal courts have found them in the wrong, repeatedly. Mt Carmel being just one instance.

Una Salus Victus Nullam Sperare Salutem

thank you for asking good questions without the attack mode in full force.

Those are good question (sic).

Channeling old Charlie Chan movies I see!
Attack mode= asking a question boob doesn’t know the answer to or doesn’t want to answer. (Or can’t find anything to cut and paste!)

The 2005 agreements give the sheriff’s office unlimited access to the weapons, including 17 Romanian AK-47s and 17 Bushmasters. But Perry has said his department has only used the AK-47s in shooting practice at Blackwater and that none of his 19 deputies are qualified to use them.

These are suspicious doings.

What? That the sheriff’s department signed an agreement and then chooses to under utilize it?
Thousands, if not millions of people do that with their gym memberships every day!

You strain at gnats and swallow camels, boob! (You always were a swallower!)

Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.