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Is this nutjob what has you so fucked up? Divest your self of worldly possessions, and go enlist in the infantry, Marines or Army, and come back and talk to me in 3 years. When you have a clue about reality and the world beyond your selfish wants and desires.

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God is Dead anti-religion
Nietzsche T-shirt

God is Dead T-shirt. This well-known phrase comes from “The Gay Science”, written by Friedrich Nietzsche in 1882. Nietzsche did not literally mean that God is dead - he was referring to the cultural concept of God. We are making this T-shirt because we believe that in order for the world to move on we need to overcome the concept of God that organised religions, particularly Islam and Christianity, present to the world. These religions present God in an inflexible, dogmatic way and demand slave-like conformity to an “objective” morality. While superficially preaching tolerance, they encourage conflict by insisting that they are the only source of “truth”. This is a call to reject the God of organised religion and to believe in ourselves.

You mean to say this guy Nietzsche is somehow wise?

Hateful.  A Nihilist* perhaps.

Certainly not anyone to honor, listen to or even deem any more profound than a urine-soaked bum.

What drives or motivates someone to such despair to the point that they look up to someone like this? 

It seems too often that a bloodline has worked and scrabbled through generations of hard times to finally terminate in an ungrateful and useless cur who has been handed everything.

Being born to luxury, they fall into useless navel-gazing and a rejection of the beliefs and the society that has blessed them with such a fortunate life.  They become abusers of drugs, and slothful scriveners of hateful drivel at best.

And that’s on a good day.

* a person who rejects truth, meaning, value, and the possibility of knowledge.

...for great justice

Nietzsche was an influence on people such as Ayn Rand, among others. He is only feared by people who despise others based on third person testimony, or those who have read his work and been averse to thinking for themselves, something his work encourages.

Freud frequently referred to Nietzsche as having “more penetrating knowledge of himself than any man who ever lived or was likely to live”.

Nietzsche’s declaration: “To never frequent anyone whom is involved in this bare-faced fraud concerning races.”

That last one seems decidedly anti-nihilist to me.

Zig-zag
Its easy to denigrate someone whose work you haven’t read. Especially if your associations with that person are through pop culture. His ‘god is dead’ aphorism is not his most famous. His most famous was the second half of ‘in the battlefield of life, what doesn’t kill you makes you stronger’. He was a military man, meeting kitty’s above-commented strictures.

Kitty
Have two of the three women in the world you love infected with incurable, pain-on-a-daily-basis disease for your whole life and then come talk to me. We all have our insights and, absurdly and amusingly enough, we each proffer our own as the most revealing.

This world was never meant for those of us cursed with self-awareness.
- part-time English teacher and baseball fan, Annie Savoy

Nietzsche’s influence was far-ranging indeed.  Richard Wagner and Adolf Hitler were similarly impressed, though prudent fans of Nietzsche’s writing probably aren’t quick to trumpet the fact.  What’s your point?

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Yep, the worship of death, from the 3rd person perspective, was all Nietsche had.

spark, don’t attempt to blame your fucked up mental state on other’s pain. That is a cop out. And a saddly pathetic one, at that.

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Oh, and wanted to be certain my memory was accurate, ran a quick check and YES Nietsche was a “military man”! For 8 months in 1867 he served, in his home town so he could leach off his mother, in a light artillery regt. Up until he failed to complete a flashy mount and landed on the hilt of his short sword, punching in 2 ribs and making himself a permanent invalid. A chest wound he never fully recovered from, and which most of his contemporaries considered the beginning of his long slide into insanity. That and the syphilis.

Then he spent 86 days as a hospital attendant.

Wow. What a career. Junkie(chloral hydrate,laudanum,opium), failed officer, failed academician, wandering crank and leach.

No wonder you are so screwed up. You’ve filled your head with shit, and can not drain it out. Sad.

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The Germans are like women, you can scarcely ever fathom their depths—they haven’t any.—Freidrich Nietzsche

Nietzsche was a bit of a misogynist!

For any voter trying to choose between the two candidates for commander in chief, there is no better test than this: When American strategy in a critical theater was up for grabs, John McCain proposed a highly unpopular and risky path, which he accurately predicted could lead to success. Barack Obama proposed a popular and politically safe route that would have led to an unnecessary and debilitating American defeat at the hands of al Qaeda.

Frederick W. Kagan

Hmm, you guys would do well to actually study Nietzsche.

He is not, in fact, some kind of ‘hateful nihilist’, and nihilism was the precise thing he was trying to avoid.

He was truly profound, yet he was not averse to Christ. He was averse to the perversion christians have made of christianity, which led him to say

The word “Christianity” is already a misunderstanding - in reality there has been only one Christian, and he died on the Cross.

BTW, Bit O’ Honey wisdom?  How about “Chock Full of Nuts”?

For any voter trying to choose between the two candidates for commander in chief, there is no better test than this: When American strategy in a critical theater was up for grabs, John McCain proposed a highly unpopular and risky path, which he accurately predicted could lead to success. Barack Obama proposed a popular and politically safe route that would have led to an unnecessary and debilitating American defeat at the hands of al Qaeda.

Frederick W. Kagan

No, I think not, Ken. No matter how thin you slice it, it is still baloney. And again, no, Otis Oracle was wrong. This is not a Satanic Riddle.

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BatOne:  Um, I think the German composer Richard Strauss was more familiar with Nietzche than Wagner was.

Strauss composed a famous ‘tone poem’ for symphony orchestra entitled “Thus Spach Zarathustra” in honor of Nietzche’s concept of the super [superior] man.

The beginning of it is that famous fanfare with rising trumpets, pounding timpani and huge chords that was used in Kubrick’s film, Space Odyssey 2001. 

Great music… questionable philosophy.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

The stakes are high. Whether the issue is the economy, or energy, or the federal courts or national security, the right answers are coming not from the Democrats, but from the Republicans. The surge of operations that began a year ago is succeeding. The only way to lose this fight is to quit. Richard M. Cheney, Vice President, 30 May, 2008

Christianity as antiquity.-- When we hear the ancient bells growling on a Sunday morning we ask ourselves: Is it really possible! This, for a jew, crucified two thousand years ago, who said he was God’s son? The proof of such a claim is lacking. Certainly the Christian religion is an antiquity projected into our times from remote prehistory; and the fact that the claim is believed - whereas one is otherwise so strict in examining pretensions - is perhaps the most ancient piece of this heritage. A god who begets children with a mortal woman; a sage who bids men work no more, have no more courts, but look for the signs of the impending end of the world; a justice that accepts the innocent as a vicarious sacrifice; someone who orders his disciples to drink his blood; prayers for miraculous interventions; sins perpetrated against a god, atoned for by a god; fear of a beyond to which death is the portal; the form of the cross as a symbol in a time that no longer knows the function and ignominy of the cross—how ghoulishly all this touches us, as if from the tomb of a primeval past! Can one believe that such things are still believed?

The everyday Christian.—If the Christian dogmas of a revengeful God, universal sinfulness, election by divine grace and the danger of eternal damnation were true, it would be a sign of weak-mindedness and lack of character not to become a priest, apostle or hermit and, in fear and trembling, to work solely on one’s own salvation; it would be senseless to lose sight of ones eternal advantage for the sake of temporal comfort. If we may assume that these things are at any rate believed true, then the everyday Christian cuts a miserable figure; he is a man who really cannot count to three, and who precisely on account of his spiritual imbecility does not deserve to be punished so harshly as Christianity promises to punish him.

I could go on with his many anti-Christian tirades, but to suggest that Nietzsche “was not averse to Christ. He was averse to the perversion christians have made of christianity,” is to deliberately read into Nietzsche thoughts and beliefs thoughts that are not contained within pr at all supported by the texts of his many remarks. This man was against Christ and the faith, thinking them foolish fantasies by deluded, ignoral fools. No, you cannot paint him as anything but an enemy of Jews and Christians alike, with equal contempt, all to feed his raging megalomania and atheism. Most of the things said about the Christian faith by this vile creature are false and manufactured by Nietzsche out of dirty, whole cloth.

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Hmmmmm.

It seems that Ken might have read Nietzsche.

Furthermore, this quote that appears above:

“To never frequent anyone whom is involved in this bare-faced fraud concerning races.”

Nietzsche broke with Wagner over the latter’s antisemitism. I understand they were friends before it became an issue. What’s more… you cannot tell shit from the read that Hitler gave Nietzsche. Hitler did that to the bible too - would you like to extend what you are saying to the bible Batone?

This little tirade lays bare the contempt for thought you fellas have. You proffer nothing but gossip, hearsay, and a concise history of N’s military experience gleaned from a hostile source no doubt.

Some read him as some-sort of nihilist, but nothing could be farther from the truth. He was constantly concerned with morality - and wrote extensively on it. When he broke down finally, it was in public, hugging and sobbing for an injured horse, whose pain was apparently too much for N to bear. Those who scoff perhaps also scoff at the man from Samara who needs aid along the road.

At any rate, he also left lots of the conclusions missing. This doesn’t evidence nihilism in N’s case. It evidences a desire for an active reading audience who don’t mind doing some of the work on their own. i.e. He encouraged all to think for themselves. He merely provided insights to riff on.

Also, there are misogynist themes present. I think he had many a heartbreak (including the infamous Lou Salome who also humped Rilke & Freud) and was a fairly lonely fellow despite, as the details of his collapse evidenced above, having a plethora of compassion to share. I think the misogyny is an expression of that sadness or frustration.

Some read him as some-sort of nihilist, but nothing could be farther from the truth. He was constantly concerned with morality - and wrote extensively on it. When he broke down finally, it was in public, hugging and sobbing for an injured horse, whose pain was apparently too much for N to bear. Those who scoff perhaps also scoff at the man from Samara who needs aid along the road.

It’s hard to not look at N as a Nihilist as he was concerned with overturning not only traditional morality, but also objective truth.

And as for his anti Christian bias:

Christianity was from the beginning, essentially and fundamentally, life’s nausea and disgust with life, merely concealed behind, masked by, dressed up as, faith in “another” or “better” life.

Speaking in a parable.--A Jesus Christ was possible only in a Jewish landscape--I mean one over which the gloomy and sublime thunder cloud of the wrathful Yahweh was brooding continually. Only here was the rare and sudden piercing of the gruesome and perpetual general day-night by a single ray of the sun experienced as if it were a miracle of “love” and the ray of unmerited “grace.” Only here could Jesus dream of his rainbow and his ladder to heaven on which God descended to man. Everywhere else good weather and sunshine were considered the rule and everyday occurrences.

Doubt as sin.-- Christianity has done its utmost to close the circle and declared even doubt to be sin. One is supposed to be cast into belief without reason, by a miracle, and from then on to swim in it as in the brightest and least ambiguous of elements: even a glance towards land, even the thought that one perhaps exists for something else as well as swimming, even the slightest impulse of our amphibious nature- is sin! And notice that all this means that the foundation of belief and all reflection on its origin is likewise excluded as sinful. What is wanted are blindness and intoxication and an eternal song over the waves in which reason has drowned.

The compassionate Christian.-- The reverse side of Christian compassion for the suffering of one’s neighbor is a profound suspicion of all the joy of one’s neighbor, of his joy in all that he wants to do and can.

Historical refutation as the definitive refutation.-- In former times, one sought to prove that there is no God - today one indicates how the belief that there is a God arose and how this belief acquired its weight and importance: a counter-proof that there is no God thereby becomes superfluous.- When in former times one had refuted the ‘proofs of the existence of God’ put forward, there always remained the doubt whether better proofs might not be adduced than those just refuted: in those days atheists did not know how to make a clean sweep.

But in the end one also has to understand that the needs that religion has satisfied and philosophy is now supposed to satisfy are not immutable; they can be weakened and exterminated. Consider, for example, that Christian distress of mind that comes from sighing over ones inner depravity and care for ones salvation - all concepts originating in nothing but errors of reason and deserving, not satisfaction, but obliteration.

Destiny of Christianity.—Christianity came into existence in order to lighten the heart; but now it has first to burden the heart so as afterwards to be able to lighten it. Consequently it shall perish.

After Buddha was dead, his shadow was still shown for centuries in a cave - a tremendous, gruesome shadow. God is dead; but given the way of men, there may still be caves for thousands of years in which his shadow will be shown. -And we- we still have to vanquish his shadow, too.

The equivalence of Che Guevara and Adolph Hitler is a valid one. And in many ways Che was a worse monster. While Hitler sat back and let underlings do his dirty work, Che did much of the killing himself and personally trained the execution squads who did the rest. He personally murdered political opponents, whereas Hitler outsourced that duty.

When we look at the “socialist paradise” that is Cuba, we must remember that a sizable share of the misery those people suffer is directly attributable to Che Guevara bringing Castro into power, and giving him many of the policies that have caused so much pain. The real symbol of Che should be the raft, to remind us of all those who have died on rafts in the ocean trying to escape the Cuban nightmare and get to freedom. And had he not been killed, begging for his life like a coward, he would’ve done the same thing again and again in countries all throughout Latin and South America. His actions have inspired terrorists across a continent and caused countless deaths.

Every leftist who celebrates Che is celebrating a murderer, a monster, and a Marxist who is directly and indirectly responsible for wide spread murder, starvation and fascist states. They may as well worship Hitler, because the two men shared not only an ideology, but results. And Che never got the trains to run on time.

N was ridiculously biased against Christianity, a fact that every single athiest without exception has understood after reading him (as have all Christians except for perhaps Ken).

Hitler read the bible Spark, but he saw it as an impediment to his plans. Which is why he repeatedly called Christianity a slave religion and railed againt Christians. Pointing to Hitler and the Bible is like pointing to me and “Dude, Where’s my country?” I read it, but I don’t base my worldview off of it. If anything I was offended and hated Moore. Hitler had the same reaction to the Bible.

The equivalence of Che Guevara and Adolph Hitler is a valid one. And in many ways Che was a worse monster. While Hitler sat back and let underlings do his dirty work, Che did much of the killing himself and personally trained the execution squads who did the rest. He personally murdered political opponents, whereas Hitler outsourced that duty.

When we look at the “socialist paradise” that is Cuba, we must remember that a sizable share of the misery those people suffer is directly attributable to Che Guevara bringing Castro into power, and giving him many of the policies that have caused so much pain. The real symbol of Che should be the raft, to remind us of all those who have died on rafts in the ocean trying to escape the Cuban nightmare and get to freedom. And had he not been killed, begging for his life like a coward, he would’ve done the same thing again and again in countries all throughout Latin and South America. His actions have inspired terrorists across a continent and caused countless deaths.

Every leftist who celebrates Che is celebrating a murderer, a monster, and a Marxist who is directly and indirectly responsible for wide spread murder, starvation and fascist states. They may as well worship Hitler, because the two men shared not only an ideology, but results. And Che never got the trains to run on time.

Kenny.
You know what we should do? Burn those N books. Clearly, having not thought for yourself as you worked your way through it (if you did), one cannot expect much else. Personally, I don’t think you’ve read the stuff or you wouldn’t be continuing down this road littered with hasty and bogus interpretations. If you have read it, perhaps you should have done so with someone who can flesh out the details for you because there’s a bit more going on in there than there is in those checkout aisle political rags you appear to be reading.

N’s point about Christianity, one that I have heard 2hotel9 argue countless times, is that bureaucracy and obedience have absolutely nothing to do with knowing God. They only have to do with knowing what others have told you. Go run along and be faithful, but don’t think you know God. That knowing is personal.

Also, which ‘Moore’? G.E. Moore?

This:

It’s hard to not look at N as a Nihilist as he was concerned with overturning not only traditional morality, but also objective truth.

Doesn’t even deserve comment. WHICH traditional morality? Do you mean to tell us, Kenny, that there is one morality and one truth? Which objective truth would you like to discuss first, Kenny? If its so blatant, spit up a nice list so we can see what that list would contain. Were you born and raised in the US? Do you understand the point of living in a free society? You sound like one of Mao’s lieutenants. Loosen your collar wanker.

Sparkless, I have provided exact quotations from Nietzsche as has Kenny, but your response was a personal attack on Kenny without any cause; nor have you provided any quotations from Nietzsche which would support your contrary views. He and I, as do innumerable souls, see Nietzsche as an enemy of Christianity, that is an honest disagreement based on Nietzsche’s own words; and since you did not provide any objective evidence to support your views, yours was purely an emotional based response versus ours which are fact based.

How about an apology to Kenny, he did his homework and you did not?

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Also, which ‘Moore’? G.E. Moore?

Well since I posted the name of the book “Dude Where’s My Country”, any confusion you have is the result of your own stupidity. My point could not be clearer. Having read something hardly means having agreed with it.

You know what we should do? Burn those N books. Clearly, having not thought for yourself as you worked your way through it (if you did), one cannot expect much else. Personally, I don’t think you’ve read the stuff or you wouldn’t be continuing down this road littered with hasty and bogus interpretations. If you have read it, perhaps you should have done so with someone who can flesh out the details for you because there’s a bit more going on in there than there is in those checkout aisle political rags you appear to be reading.

Oh you poor little troubled soul you! Someone points out that your ridiculous interpretation of N is wrong, and you flip out. Burn his books you say! Well that’s certainly an enlightened comeback!
Your entire argument consists of the absurd idea that everyone who has ever read N is wrong but that YOU get him. When confronted with about a dozen quotes about how bad Christianity is (not about how Christians have misinterpreted the faith), you shrug and cry “others disagree”.

Fool.

Doesn’t even deserve comment. WHICH traditional morality? Do you mean to tell us, Kenny, that there is one morality and one truth? Which objective truth would you like to discuss first, Kenny? If its so blatant, spit up a nice list so we can see what that list would contain. Were you born and raised in the US? Do you understand the point of living in a free society? You sound like one of Mao’s lieutenants. Loosen your collar wanker.

So, to defend the idea that he didn’t believe there was no objective truth...you push the idea that there is no objective truth! Do you listen to yourself?

The equivalence of Che Guevara and Adolph Hitler is a valid one. And in many ways Che was a worse monster. While Hitler sat back and let underlings do his dirty work, Che did much of the killing himself and personally trained the execution squads who did the rest. He personally murdered political opponents, whereas Hitler outsourced that duty.

When we look at the “socialist paradise” that is Cuba, we must remember that a sizable share of the misery those people suffer is directly attributable to Che Guevara bringing Castro into power, and giving him many of the policies that have caused so much pain. The real symbol of Che should be the raft, to remind us of all those who have died on rafts in the ocean trying to escape the Cuban nightmare and get to freedom. And had he not been killed, begging for his life like a coward, he would’ve done the same thing again and again in countries all throughout Latin and South America. His actions have inspired terrorists across a continent and caused countless deaths.

Every leftist who celebrates Che is celebrating a murderer, a monster, and a Marxist who is directly and indirectly responsible for wide spread murder, starvation and fascist states. They may as well worship Hitler, because the two men shared not only an ideology, but results. And Che never got the trains to run on time.