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Bible Publishers Sued for Anti-Gay References

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Oh yeah.

Like the Founders envisioned the Courts being used this way.

Bible Publishers Sued for Anti-Gay References

A Michigan man is seeking $70 million from two Christian publishers for emotional distress and mental instability he received during the past 20 years from versions of the Bible that refer to homosexuality as a sin.

Bradley LaShawn Fowler, a gay man, claims his constitutional rights were infringed upon by Zondervan Publishing Co. and Thomas Nelson Publishing, both of which, he claims, deliberately caused homosexuals to suffer by misinterpretation of the Bible.

Fowler, 39, is seeking $60 million from Zondervan and another $10 million from Thomas Nelson.

According to a USA Today report, Fowler’s two separate suits against the publishers claim the intent of the Bible revisions that refer to homosexuals as sinners reflect an individual opinion or a group’s conclusion.

Fowler says the deliberate changes made to first Corinthians, chapter six, verse nine caused him “or anyone who is a homosexual to endure verbal abuse, discrimination, episodes of hate, and physical violence ... including murder.”

Fowler, who is representing himself in both lawsuits, claims the publishers are misinterpreting the Bible by specifically using the word homosexuals, which made him an outcast from his family and contributed to physical discomfort and periods of demoralization, chaos and bewilderment.

“These are opinions based on the publishers and they are being embedded in the religious structure as a way of life,” he tells a local NBC TV station affiliate in Grand Rapids.

Fowler admits that every Bible printed is a translation that can be interpreted in many ways, but he says specifically using the word “homosexual” is not a translation but a change.

Fowler says Zondervan Bibles published in the ‘80s used the word homosexuals among a list of those who are “wicked’ or unrighteous and won’t inherit the kingdom of heaven.”

Zondervan, for its part, issued a statement to the Grand Rapids press stating it does not translate the Bible or own the copyright for any of the translations it publishes

“We rely on the scholarly judgment of the highly respected and credible translation committees behind each translation and never alter the text of the translations we are licensed to publish,” the statement reads.

“We only publish credible translations produced by credible Biblical scholars.”

U.S. District Judge Julian Abele Cook Jr., who will hear Fowler’s case against Thomas Nelson, says the court “has some very genuine concerns about the nature and efficacy of [Fowler’s] claims.”

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It is, as my post on the U.N. trying to outlaw Christianity suggest, part of a global attack on Christianity designed to silence people of faith or make them criminals, ruin them economically or all three.


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Neiman on July 10, 2008 at 04:17 pm

Lefties trying to outlaw the Bible?  What a surprise! /sarcasm


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robert108 on July 10, 2008 at 05:25 pm

Okay, so what was the problem?

Fowler says the deliberate changes made to first Corinthians, chapter six, verse nine caused him “or anyone who is a homosexual to endure verbal abuse, discrimination, episodes of hate, and physical violence ... including murder.

No, it wasn’t because what he was doing was disgusting and abhorrent, in and of itself?

Let’s take a look at the offending verse, supposedly worth $70 mil in damages…

6:8 No, but you yourselves do wrong, and defraud, and that against your brothers.

6:9 Or don’t you know that the unrighteous will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Don’t be deceived. Neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor male prostitutes, nor homosexuals,

6:10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor slanderers, nor extortioners, will inherit the Kingdom of God.

-- 1 Corinthians, chapter 6

My understanding of Corinthians is that it came from a letter or series of letters from Paul to folks in that area to quit making up their own liberal version of Christianity and to hew closer to what the Bible actually commanded.

Homosexuals weren’t being singled out, but included in a laundry list of bad practices.  Nor is the Corinthian condemnation of homosexuality the only reference in the Bible. Nieman, you and Gene seem to be a Biblical scholars, perhaps one or both of you can cite to the relevant chapter and verses.  I seem to recall the Book of Judges and Leviticus have something to say about men who lie with men as women.

To be fair, was that aspect of Corinthians actually changed, as alleged?

It is my understanding that the Dead Sea Scrolls are a good indicator as to what was in the original contemporaneous writings making up the Bible.

Regardless of who wrote the Dead Sea Scrolls, we can safely state that there is little in them that can be used against the Traditional Hebrew Text. In fact, because the evidence from Qumran overwhelming supports the Masoretic Hebrew Text, we must say the findings at Qumran strongly favor the Traditional Text and the Authorized Version. Additionally, as we have seen, findings at Murabbaat and Masada exclusively support the Masoretic Text, proving that the established text accepted as the oracles of God (Romans 3:1-2) was the Traditional Hebrew Text.

or

When I read more, I found something else that the same archaeologists said with equal conviction. They said the field of archaeology has indeed confirmed, by and large, that the history of the Bible is sound.

Was Corinthians among the original writings, and if so, what was their content?

Apocrypha and Missing Books of the Bible

Missing Books listed among the Apocrypha
There are many books mentioned in the Bible which are not found in the current biblical canon. Some of them are known in various languages and versions today, but most are not. They are usually classed with the Apocrypha, implying that they were written by someone pretending to be the ancient and more famous author of the title. The adopted persona was intended to add authority to the text. It is not clear that such was always the case. Early Church councils were clearly interested in clarifying and systematizing the Biblical Canon. That meant removing any untidy or inconsistent writings which contradicted any of the more prestegious books, which clearly could not be removed from the Bible or significantly emended.

Among the extra-Biblical Books included among the Apocrypha, along with the relevant references, are the following:

.....
a missing epistle of Paul to the Corinthians
(1 Cor. 5:9);

Lastly, yes the photo is outrageous, and a little bit funny… yet this is what it is to be homosexual.  It’s not the white-washed version of cutesiness that Hollywood, the ACLU and the NEA are doing their level best to ram down greater Societies’ throats.


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Move_Zig on July 10, 2008 at 07:14 pm
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Nieman, you and Gene seem to be a Biblical scholars, perhaps one or both of you can cite to the relevant chapter and verses.

Biblical Scholars… hahahahahahahahaha

Only if memorization is now scholarship.

Lestatl on July 10, 2008 at 10:32 pm

About all of those extra gospols and extra missing books of the Bible.  Every book of the New Testament was written by 60 A.D. with the exception of Revelations that was written by Apostle John in 90 A.D.  All of the extra books that were uncovered recently were written on parchment which weren’t used until around 300 A.D.  That’s why they weren’t in the Bible.  Every New Testament book with the exception of Apostle Paul were written by people who personally knew Jesus while he was alive on the earth.

Talking about the Bible, why doesn’t the guy stop reading it if he doesn’t like it.  He just doesn’t want to face his guilt because he believes that what he reads IS truth.



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Only if memorization is now scholarship.-Lestatl

Lestatl? From the clown who hasn’t fully memorized his user name yet! Heh.



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Proof on July 11, 2008 at 09:06 pm
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About all of those extra gospols and extra missing books of the Bible.  Every book of the New Testament was written by 60 A.D. with the exception of Revelations that was written by Apostle John in 90 A.D.  All of the extra books that were uncovered recently were written on parchment which weren’t used until around 300 A.D.  That’s why they weren’t in the Bible.  Every New Testament book with the exception of Apostle Paul were written by people who personally knew Jesus while he was alive on the earth.

Actually, that’s not entirely true.

For example,

There is evidence that the Gospel of Matthew was written by an anonymous source that did not know Jesus toward the end of the first century.

The Gospel of Mark was written by the Apostle Peter’s disciple, Mark (who never personally knew Jesus).

The Gospel of Luke is believed to have been written 85-90 A.D.. The author of it is still being debated, but they don’t believe he knew Jesus personally.

The Gospel of John is believed by experts to be an unknown non-eyewitness. It is believed to be written 90-100 A.D., but a few believe that it could have been as early as 60 or as late as 100 A.D.

Those are just a few examples. It is false to claim that every New Testament book was written by 60 A.D. and/or that every book was written by someone who personally knew Jesus.

Ken on July 11, 2008 at 09:15 pm
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