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Thursday, June 05, 2008

A Second Open Letter To John McCain

Dear Senator John McCain:

The primaries are now over and the battle lines are drawn. For better or for worse, you are now the standard-bearer for the Republican Party and our last, best hope to halt the Obama juggernaught. You and we are in the fight of our lives. Barack Obama is a formidable candidate. He is a uniquely gifted orator and he has the prevailing mood of the nation behind him. His adoption of the slogan ‘Change’ was a brilliant move.

Your challenge in this race is daunting. You must convince the nation that you are the right man to be president of The United State at a time when the GOP is out of favor, and you must heal the sharp divisions in your own party over it’s fractured ideology and you, yourself!

I do not presume to speak for anyone other than myself, but in my humble opinion, you can and must take the following steps to unite the party and the country and win this race.

1.  Take the gloves off. Go after Senator Barack Obama in a civil but thoroughly aggressive campaign, for he and his minions will savage you relentlessly.

2.  At every opportunity, define the vital differences between him and you. Inform us and the nation in clear terms why his presidency would be a disaster.

3.  Hammer home the message that character and experience matters; that who you choose to call your associates and mentors for twenty years matters.

4.  We are painfully aware that you are not a conservative in the classic sense of that word. But you can and do appeal to us on a number of key issues:  The war on terror, the federal bench and the Supreme Court, the 2nd Amendment, Right to Life issues and lower taxes. Remind us constantly that you mean to defend those issues without flinching.

5. Where possible, rethink your energy policy as it relates to environmental issues. We need to hear you say uniquivocally that you favor tapping our own oil and coal resources, including ANWR, and that you want to make us free of dependence on foreign markets and ‘global warming’ hysteria.

6. Be visible and affirmative in your support of republican candidates across our land. Never forget - as you have said - that this election is not just about you.

7. Finally, understand, as we do, that your choice of running mate is of paramount importance. The person you select could do much to heal divisions within our ranks and convince Americans that you are more than just another politican; that you are the statesman many of us believe you to be.

Senator McCain, remember that many in your own party are skeptical of you, but don’t flinch and don’t pander! Lead us. In the next 150 days, if we become convinced that you are the right man for this job, our efforts on your behalf can and will be formidable.

We know, as you surely must, that this election, more than any other in recent memory, represents a turning-point in our nation’s political fortunes. The stakes are high! We wish you well.

Comments

I liked #5.

I also would like him to make clear that he won’t sign an amnesty bill if it comes to his desk.  He’s slipped up a couple times and said that he would. 

If he does that I would vote for him.


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on June 5, 2008 at 02:15 pm

We are painfully aware that you are not a conservative in the classic sense of that word.

Redefinitionism?


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robert108 on June 5, 2008 at 02:18 pm

That is a nice point. 

I am in fact a classical liberal but the terms have become so topsy turvey they don’t mean much.

As Popeye said, “I yam what I yam.”


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on June 5, 2008 at 02:24 pm

robert108: 

redefinitionism

Haha!  Did you just invent a new word?  Just kidding.

I may have chosen poorly, but I meant a conservative in the sense frequently expressed right here at SAB - a strict constitutionalist - which I refer to as classic conservatism.


"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

“As a conservative, I will not be overly enthusiastic about voting for John McCain on November 4 - but I will be sprinting to the polling place to do so!”
Matthew May, conservative commentator, The American Spectator

pparets on June 5, 2008 at 02:37 pm

What other kind do you think there is?


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robert108 on June 5, 2008 at 02:42 pm

social conservatives, often populists, liberal on economic matters.

Economic conservatives, often moderates or even liberals, liberal on social matters.


"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

“As a conservative, I will not be overly enthusiastic about voting for John McCain on November 4 - but I will be sprinting to the polling place to do so!”
Matthew May, conservative commentator, The American Spectator

pparets on June 5, 2008 at 02:46 pm

oops… often moderates or even progressives*


"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

“As a conservative, I will not be overly enthusiastic about voting for John McCain on November 4 - but I will be sprinting to the polling place to do so!”
Matthew May, conservative commentator, The American Spectator

pparets on June 5, 2008 at 02:51 pm

Senator McCain, remember that many in your own party are skeptical of you, but don’t flinch and don’t pander! Lead us. In the next 150 days, if we become convinced that you are the right man for this job, our efforts on your behalf can and will be formidable.

You have 150 days to change your spots

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“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

realitybasedbob on June 5, 2008 at 03:00 pm

pp: To those who believe there is a real difference, I ask the question: How can the fiscal conservative countenance the excessive spending of the social liberal?  If you’re fiscally conservative, it is also necessary to be socially conservative.  It’s about individual responsibility.  It’s also about individual independence.
To be conservative is to be conservative on all matters; I guess it’s like it’s not possible to be “slightly pregnant”.  This is just another attempt by some to dilute the conservative message.
By the same token, there is no such thing as an “ultraconservative”.


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robert108 on June 5, 2008 at 03:00 pm

social conservatives, often populists, liberal on economic matters. Populists aren’t conservatives.

Economic conservatives, often moderates or even liberals, liberal on social matters.

Social liberalism requires the govt to confiscate and spend private money in order to impose its will on individual citizens...that’s hardly conservative.


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robert108 on June 5, 2008 at 03:34 pm

social conservatism:
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=social_conservative

I don’t wish to debate this, because it gets away from the original thread. Perhaps another time, another place.

You can find many, many other sources which discuss the ranges of all political ideologies.


"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

“As a conservative, I will not be overly enthusiastic about voting for John McCain on November 4 - but I will be sprinting to the polling place to do so!”
Matthew May, conservative commentator, The American Spectator

pparets on June 5, 2008 at 04:45 pm

social conservatism, as I have already explained, requires fiscal conservatism, and vice versa.

BTW, Marxism is an ideology; conservatism is a set of principles.
Maybe that’s why you think you can do the “mix and match” game with conservatism; you regard it as an ideology.


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robert108 on June 5, 2008 at 04:54 pm

FYI: A spanish-speaking friend was watching Latin news tonight and translated some of the commentary about McCain on this evenings’ news.  Whether McCain was quoted as saying it, or the Spanish-language commentator discussing it, I am not certain, but the gist of it was that McCain was promising a path to citizenship for those undocumented workers, all over again.

Shucks, and I thought he might at least try to lie to us for a while.


...for great justice

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Move_Zig on June 6, 2008 at 01:30 am

Well it worked for Arafat for all those years; promising to work with Israel in English and promising to destroy them in Arabic.


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on June 6, 2008 at 05:38 am

Another fine outgrowth of Amnesty for Illegals that Juan McCain will be fighting so hard for:

Tainted cheese fuels TB rise in California
Unpasteurized dairy products linked to reemergence of ancient disease

Rare tuberculosis cases linked to Mexican cheese

A rare form of tuberculosis caused by illegal, unpasteurized dairy products, including the popular queso fresco cheese, is rising among Hispanic immigrants in Southern California and raising fears about a resurgence of a strain all but eradicated in the U.S.
...

“M. bovis TB is a disease of antiquity,” said Timothy Rodwell, a researcher who led the study published by the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. “It is important that it not be allowed to re-emerge as a cause of TB in this country.”
...

However, the M. bovis bug is resistant to front-line drug therapy and adults who contract it are more than twice as likely as those with traditional TB to die before treatment is complete.

Mucho gracias, benday-hoes.


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Move_Zig on June 6, 2008 at 04:09 pm

pparents that was a nice letter.

FYI: A spanish-speaking friend was watching Latin news tonight and translated some of the commentary about McCain on this evenings’ news.  Whether McCain was quoted as saying it, or the Spanish-language commentator discussing it, I am not certain, but the gist of it was that McCain was promising a path to citizenship for those undocumented workers, all over again.

If that is true it better changeor I AM NOT voting for him.


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goon on June 6, 2008 at 08:46 pm

If that is true it better changeor I AM NOT voting for him.

Oh and check this out. 

Just now I spoke with my Spanish-speaking friend who watched McCain on TV last night (evidently he is on a campaign swing through Florida).

She confirmed that he was in favor of Undocumented Workers being given an opportunity to obtain US citizenship and get this:

He said he would fight for it.


...for great justice

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Move_Zig on June 6, 2008 at 08:59 pm

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Move_Zig on June 6, 2008 at 09:12 pm

Candidate McCain is being prodded into leadership by this open letter.  Why aren’t we in a situation where McCain leads without prodding and we follow?  This open letter implies a condemnation of our own candidate.

Politically Incorrect on June 7, 2008 at 03:11 pm

pparets writes: In the next 150 days, if we become convinced that you are the right man for this job, our efforts on your behalf can and will be formidable.

wow, that’s a big job.  He only has 150 days to get all the righties on board. Pretty daunting considering that he can’t win with just you. He’s going to spend alot of time just trying to get all his own party on board.

Meanwhile, Obama and Clinton will be on a goodwill tour and the Obama money train will continue and he will run campaigns in all 50 states.  McCain will be unable to do that and that will hurt him.

Whistler, he isn’t going to rethink #5, since he needs the moderate independents to come over and they are supportive of efforts to combat global warming.

Puzzlefeet on June 7, 2008 at 03:35 pm

Whistler, he isn’t going to rethink #5, since he needs the moderate independents to come over and they are supportive of efforts to combat global warming.

I agree with you that he won’t change, not for political reasons but because he’s too arrogant. 

On the other hand politically something like 60% of the voters are against the costs of cap and trade even if it helps us in global warming.

It’s a lower of an issue for a Republican.  Unfortunately we have a loser of a Republican nominee.


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on June 7, 2008 at 04:13 pm

wow, that’s a big job.  He only has 150 days to get all the righties on board.

Puzzle,

Not nearly as onerous a task as you might think.  Considering what the alternative is, you might say Obama is doing most of the heavy lifting just being the Dem’s candidate.

Hillary would have been a far more formidable general election candidate than an unaccomplished and indecisive rookie senator with a resume the size of a 3X5 index card and a pestiferous host of ill-conceived “solutions.”


“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Bat One on June 7, 2008 at 04:36 pm

Puzzle,

Not nearly as onerous a task as you might think.  Considering what the alternative is, you might say Obama is doing most of the heavy lifting just being the Dem’s candidate.

Now that you mention it McCain does look a LITTLE better. Obama would be a disaster for this country.


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goon on June 7, 2008 at 04:43 pm

Well,B1, I hope you and other keep underestimating Obama.  But since he has the money, the machine, the majority of state governors he starts out way ahead.

The republicans have their own set of problems.  First they have a candidate they don’t especially like.  They have an inordinate number of congressional seats due to R retirements, 5-6 open Senate seats, and a lack of money. 

Now you can keep yapping your trap about a rookie senator or you can comment on how your party is going to overcome its severe deficits,in money, machine and quality candidates.  Obama’s money machine and people network will enable to him to compete in all 50 states that McCain will not be able to do.  The extended primary season has enable him to set up campaigns in all the states and McCain has not.

Puzzlefeet on June 7, 2008 at 04:48 pm

If that were true Goon, then you wouldn’t be having such a hard time selling that to your own party!

Puzzlefeet on June 7, 2008 at 05:07 pm

Same old shit from you, Puzzle.  Democrats buying elections.  And considering your rookie’s experience (not!), judgment (ahem!), character (you’re kidding, right?) and policy prescriptions that have economic disaster and foreign appeasement written all over them, I can’t see that even all those dead voters ACORN dredges up are gonna be much help


“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Bat One on June 7, 2008 at 05:07 pm

Puzzle, lol I am not doing cart wheels about my parties misguided nomination, however, He is the best of the worst.


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goon on June 7, 2008 at 05:09 pm

Yes, Goon, I understand that MCBush is not “misguided” nomination but if you are calling it misguided how in the world are you going to unite all republicans much less what it takes to win the presidency?  Money raising is highly dependent on the republican faithful.  You don’t have the party faithful on McBush’s side.

Once again,B1 you fail to address the issues within your own party.  You can’t move message without structure or money.  Obama’s money is coming in large part from small donors.  He has built an incredible donor base who aren’t even close to being tapped out by the $2300 limit.  With every rally he has, emails are collected and money is sent to him.  Now you may diss this but it ain’t buying elections.  You only wish you had this on your side.

People aren’t buying the tripe you’re trying to sell. He won’t be swiftboated, the public is clamoring for change, 82% of the public think we are on the wrong track, gas is over$4 a gallon, unemployement jumped to 5.5% and the stock market lost over 400 points.  Not a good time for a republican to be running for president especially with Bush’s numbers in the tank.

So whatever you throw at Obama won’t be near as much as what will be coming back at you that really matters to the voters.  They know bullshit when they see.  Let me know when McBush can get 75000 in an arean.  Let me know when McBush can learn to give a speech without boring everyone to tears and have his handlers shouting to get the audience to clap.

Puzzlefeet on June 7, 2008 at 05:22 pm

First they have a candidate they don’t especially like....and a lack of money.

Those two things are definately related.

You forgot to bring up that the candidate has given the party faithful no particular reason to be excited about him.  As others have stated the only thing that the Republicans have going for them is Obama.

I think that reverse is true as well.


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on June 7, 2008 at 05:24 pm

Whistler, the Dems like Obama and the party will be united.  I would expect that Hillary and Obama will be together with the next week.  Watch the turnout for that one.

And there are republicans that have gone over to Obama.  The numbers of voters out there who identify as Republicans have declined significantly.

I don’t that Obama has the same effect as say, Hillary would have on the Republican party faithful.  I think it will be very difficult for the Republicans to gel around Obama as a candidate to defeat.  He has brought in so many young people.  Even young republicans have been changing parties to vote for him.  Nothing will keep the youth from voting in this election.  The voter registrations have increased in every state where there was a democratic primary and because the primaries lasted this long, the systems set up in the various states by the dems are ready to go and will continue working throughout the summer

On the other hand, McCain has not set up a state structure for the fall election.  This will prove to be very problematic for the republican party.  They don’t have the ground game that a combined Obama/Clinton will when their campaigns will unite.  And then when all the unions move their mobilization effort in the states, I just think this will be insurmountable for the republicans.

Puzzlefeet on June 7, 2008 at 05:51 pm

Whistler:  While the Obama juggernaught continues to roll, we can’t even get united.

Is there any reasonable person who by now doesn’t understand what Barack Obama intends to do to this country on every issue?

McCain is not the lesser of evils, he is clearly the better choice!


"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

“As a conservative, I will not be overly enthusiastic about voting for John McCain on November 4 - but I will be sprinting to the polling place to do so!”
Matthew May, conservative commentator, The American Spectator

pparets on June 7, 2008 at 06:06 pm

Take the global warming debate in the Senate the last couple weeks.

The Democrats with control of the Senate couldn’t bring it up for a vote.

Put McCain in the white house and it’ll be bipartisan.  The disaster that it is will be blamed on McCain and the Republicans.  Meanwhile only the dem base is happy, until they find out that their job has been shipped overseas.

That’s just one example of why having an unprincipled Republican in the White House could be worse than even an Obama.

By the way I suspect it’s all moot anyhow.  John McCain was successful running as a Republican and keeping Barry Goldwater’s seat as a “R”. 

That and the fact that sometime this fall we’ll all get an education about Charles Keating and the nefarious favors that people did for him.

I think Barr’s got a better shot than McCain.


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on June 7, 2008 at 06:19 pm

Barr’s got a better shot than McCain.

Let me know what you’re smoking.  Maybe I’ll feel better too.

A vote for Barr is a vote for Obama.


"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

“As a conservative, I will not be overly enthusiastic about voting for John McCain on November 4 - but I will be sprinting to the polling place to do so!”
Matthew May, conservative commentator, The American Spectator

pparets on June 7, 2008 at 06:32 pm

Whistler, I am really interested, do you think Barr will be any kind of real challenge to McCain. He is the real conservative out there, but I just don’t know if he can siphon off enough votes from McCain.  He is attractive to the true conservatives.

Puzzlefeet on June 7, 2008 at 06:48 pm

That was hyperbole.  I don’t think McCain has a chance.  But then neither does a third party candidate.

I’m not happy about the political situation we’re in.


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on June 7, 2008 at 06:58 pm

But take hear PP, I’m terrible at predictions.


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on June 7, 2008 at 06:58 pm

I meant take heart.


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on June 7, 2008 at 06:59 pm

I’m not happy about the political situation we’re in.

You’ll be a whole lot less happy two years, four years or six years into an Obama presidency.


"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

“As a conservative, I will not be overly enthusiastic about voting for John McCain on November 4 - but I will be sprinting to the polling place to do so!”
Matthew May, conservative commentator, The American Spectator

pparets on June 7, 2008 at 07:08 pm

So whatever you throw at Obama won’t be near as much as what will be coming back at you that really matters to the voters.  They know bullshit when they see.  Let me know when McBush can get 75000 in an arean.  Let me know when McBush can learn to give a speech without boring everyone to tears and have his handlers shouting to get the audience to clap.

Ah yes the media did a good job telling everyone that there was a popular rock band that played before Obama came on stage. I like how that was left out.

From CNN to the New York Times, the media hyped Barack Obama’s Portland, Oregon rally on Sunday, some comparing him to a rock star.

Unmentioned in national reporting was the fact that Obama was preceded by a rare, 45-minute free concert by actual rock stars The Decemberists. The Portland-based band has drawn rave reviews from Rolling Stone magazine, which gave their 2005 album Picaresque four and a half stars (out of five), and another four and a half stars for 2007’s The Crane Wife.

How many of the people showed up to hear Obama, and how many to hear the band?

Yeah that is the left leaning media for you.


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goon on June 7, 2008 at 07:39 pm
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Ah yes the media did a good job telling everyone that there was a popular rock band that played before Obama came on stage. I like how that was left out.

Are you pertending that The Decemberist routinely play to 75,000 person crowds.  How ridiculous can you get?  I doubt anybody here had ever heard of them.

Lestat on June 7, 2008 at 07:47 pm

Really free concert good band, I would be will to bet that probably 3/4 of them were to there to see the band. The fact that the media left this point out is dishonest.


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