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Saturday, April 21, 2007

Another Ethanol Negative - Water Consumption

From the article Ethanol plants come with hidden cost: Water

In Missourt, the former state conservation official was horrified by news that a thirsty ethanol plant might rise up near his home in southwestern Missouri. The plant would draw 1.3 million gallons of water from the ground every day to produce the corn-based fuel.

Then there’s the 400,000 gallons per day of contaminated water from the plant — water that would be sprayed on land around the plant by irrigation equipment and then seep back into the ground.

The ethanol industry says it takes about 3 gallons of water on average to produce a gallon of ethanol and that recycling and other water-saving innovations will reduce that amount.

Sometimes that consumption is understated: In Minnesota, one of the few states that require reporting of water use, a state study in 2005 found that ethanol plants used an average of 4.5 gallons for every gallon of ethanol.

The water drawn for ethanol is a cost borne by communities — or whole regions — and a price sometimes ignored in the planning stages for new plants, experts say.

In St. Louis, National Corn Growers Association CEO Rick Tolman said his organization has advised ethanol plant builders about the limitations of water. “The water question will not be an impediment to ethanol expansion overall, but it certainly will limit expansion in certain locations,” he said.

Since water is not an inexhaustible commodity, there will always be competition for water rights.  Ethanol production simply adds another player to that scene and a very glutonous one at that in water consumption.  With all the negative results associated with ethanol production and ethanol itself (e.g. agriculure prices, lower gas mileage) one can’t wonder if ethanol is worth the price that society has to pay for ethanol mass production.

Comments

Well there seems to be plenty of hydrocarbons in the ground up in Alaska and the Gulf of Mexico.  We could take that stuff out of the ground, burn it, collect the water vapor and provide plenty of water for the ethanol production.  Of course that’d also produce CO2, but that stuff just floats away until it’s captured by one of those plant predators.


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on April 21, 2007 at 06:08 am

Get serious, whistler.  Of course that wouldn’t be you.


You don’t have to be a moron to be a liberal Democrat but it sure helps.

docdave on April 21, 2007 at 08:14 am

ouch!


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on April 21, 2007 at 08:26 am

That wasn’t meant as a slam but a statement of fact.
Levity is a good thing.


You don’t have to be a moron to be a liberal Democrat but it sure helps.

docdave on April 21, 2007 at 08:31 am

well I wasn’t 100% sure, but that’s the way I took it.

smile


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on April 21, 2007 at 08:44 am
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We found an interesting article about the problems with Ethanol on ConsumerReports.org:

http://blogs.consumerreports.org/cars/2008/03/ethanol-e85.html

“But there are some problems with increasing ethanol blends. Ethanol contains less energy than gasoline, so increasing the amount of ethanol in gasoline will likely result in lower fuel economy. Increasing standard fuel blends from zero to 10 percent ethanol, as is happening today, has little or no impact on fuel economy. In tests, the differences occur within the margin of error, about 0.5 percent. Further increasing ethanol levels to 20 percent reduces fuel economy between 1 and 3 percent, according to testing by the DOE and General Motors. Evaluations are underway to determine if E20 will burn effectively in today’s engines without impacting reliability and longevity, and also assessing potential impact on fuel economy.”

TheSUBWAY.com would like to invite readers to post their own views and ideas in TheSUBWAY.com’s Investor Forum:

http://investor-forum.thesubway.com/

TheSUBWAY.com on April 18, 2008 at 06:20 am
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Although I was holding some hope for switch grass as an alternative to corn-based ethanol, I am not aware of any solution to the water-usage issue and the polution that results. 

I think plug-in hybrids are going to be the best solution in regard to technology that is currently available.  Plug-ins are suposed to hit the market in 2010.

John on May 26, 2008 at 06:07 am

I think they have a place, but you have to generate the electricity in the first place.  Now you can do that with night time off-peak power.

Coupled with nuclear power and coal to gasoline (or methanol FFV vehicles) I could see us energy independent which is a worthwhile goal.


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on May 26, 2008 at 10:31 am
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