"Officials: 31 of 53 Teen Girls Taken From Polygamist Sect Have Been Pregnant”
If this is true, why were the men who impregnated this girls not arrested? Why were all these children arrested and thrown into the Texas Juvenile Detention system?
Here is the article. Notice that not once does it mention the arrest of those responsible. Why is that?
Uhmmmm…they haven’t determined paternity yet?
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A similar “raid” could be made in just about any ghetto with similar or worse results. In my Middle School, there was one girl who had three children before she finished the seventh grade.
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Good point, Chief; why exactly are we NOT identifying those who are impregnating too many girls, both in and out of the inner city? (my niece being one of them, grrr....)
And yes, the reason people aren’t arrested yet is that they’re not yet identified. And gosh--clear evidence of statutory rape for the majority of teen girls. Wonder what they’ll find next?
Hmmm. What would a rapist apologist say?
A similar “raid” could be made in just about any ghetto with similar or worse results.
So are you saying that arresting rapists is pointless? That we should do a raid based on your suspicions? Any ‘ghetto’? What do you mean by that, Chief?
In normal society we are talking about the majority of teenage girls becoming pregnant by a teenage male and NOT because they are forced to do so by their parents.
In the sect, we are talking about adult males (OLDER by far)impregnating teenage girls and full enforcement and expectations from the parents.
Two entirely different, but equally tragic issues and results.
So why were all the children arrested? Why did they not go in and round up all the adult males? Since this has apparently all been perpetrated by a specific group of men, whose names are known to law enforcement, it would seem a mistake has been made here. Why did men with tac armor, assault weapons and masks round up and cart off 400 odd kids, when they had the criminals standing there watching?
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Well… I suspect they were heavily armed because of people like me. You would have to pry my kid from my cold dead arms before I’d allow you to take them away from me.
Other than that… 2H9, I don’t have the answers you’re looking for, so I’ll just let others give it try
They were so heavily armed that they stood by and allowed there children to be stolen. Really?
There is something seriously wrong with this whole situation. And there are damned well to few people questioning it.
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How is this so-called polygamy sect any different from (or worse then) the hippie communes of the 60s?
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Sparkie. Did you read what I wrote about the 7th grade girl? She was about 11 or 12 when she had her first child. Where was the swat team then? Do you know that Planned Parenthood has been resisting giving the name or DNA for those girls as young as 11 or 12 who kill, no murder their babies? Where is the law?
Liberals.
Now for the ghetto remark. I was being nice. Most people know what goes on in places where neither morality nor laws are enforced. Like I said, I have close up and personal experiences seeing first-hand on a daily basis for 29 years seeing over 10,000 students over my career. Those who lived “ghetto” became pregnant at least once before they got to the high school. The bragged about it and “got that gove’mt money” Those who lived in homes with parents of the same name generally avoided pregnancy. I could relay many stories of this nature. In general, about half (50%) of the girls had one baby before high school. Only about 5-10% got married. Incest ran about 40%. Any questions? send me a private message if you are truly serious.
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When were the children arrested? I don’t think they were arrested.
andydakota: Doesn’t being taken into police custody have more or less the same effect?
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andy, they were taken into ‘custody’ which in fact is the same thing since their right to free movement has been denied.
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They weren’t arrested. They are underage children many of whom are impregnated by men the twice or three times their age.
The are in the custody of the state and an investigation is being conducted. Because they are under the age of consent the state stands in loco parentis.
Why didn’t these mothers protect their children? I agree Anna that if this were your child they’d have to pry the child from your arms. I would also bet that you wouldn’t willingly give your child at age 13 or 14 to a man three times your daughter’s age to be impregnated.
These children need protection and they certainly aren’t getting it from their mothers or their fathers so that is why they are being protected by the state. A far cry from being arrested.
And yes, I think the mothers and fathers should be arrested when and if they establish the lineage.
One under age child gave birth today.
No,andydakota, MANY underaged girls gave birth today.
And, you know what?
Odds are that a high majority of them were impregnated by a male older than themselves.
These kids were dragged from their homes by men wearing masks, tac armor, and pointing guns in their faces. They were herded into vehicles, processed and mugshots taken, they were then lined up by more men with guns and forced to give physical evidence against themselves. Without benefit of legal counsel being provided. They were then dumped into the Texas Juvenile Detention system, left to the jackals that populate that nightmare. Yes, the youngest ones went to foster homes. The rest are fucked, metaphorically and literally.
These kids are learning a very valuable lesson. The law is evil, the Government is evil. What, other than a couple thousand lawsuits against the County and State and all individuals concerned in this abomination, is going to result from all this? How many more innocent children are going to be kidnapped using the lie of"Its for their own good.”?
Why are the police not doing tigersweeps through every city and town in America? Under aged girls are getting pregnant every single day. They are using drugs and committing all kinds of other crimes, every single day. Why no outrage about any of that?
Why were the people who apparently raped these girls not arrested?
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I would venture a guess here, that as soon as lineage is established, the men will be arrested.
So it is OK to arrest children on an anonymous tip? You are really OK with abusing their rights and giving the victims criminal records, but not adults? Are you fucking serious?
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I would venture a guess here, that as soon as lineage is established, the men will be arrested.
And I’ll venture a guess as well....that any criminal charges will eventually be tossed out because of the stupid way this whole thing was handled.
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The children were not arrested. You can keep saying they were arrested but they were not.
The fact remains that these parent encourage and aided and abetted the impregnation of their children and and these parents could not protect the children, and in that case, the state acts in loco parentis.
That you don’t like how it happened, is neither here nor there. And every day in this country children are removed from their parents due to abuse and neglect and put under the state’s care. Every day in this country pregnant teens are put in foster care as their parents have kicked them out or are unable to care for them.
And the victims don’t have criminal records since they weren’t arrested. Please prove they were arrested.
Organizations like Planned Parenthood encourage teens to get abortions without parental approval and even try in some states to get laws passed that allow the child to do so without ever notifying the parents. Parental rights would be nullified in those cases.
Why is that all right? Doesn’t it encourage and in fact protect potential abusers?
If we’re going to protect the children, let’s protect all of the children and not just those being raised by a sect we don’t like. Let’s take any underage girl that goes to an abortion clinic into custody and put them into foster care right away. After that we can do an investigation.
What’s the difference?
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The children were not arrested. You can keep saying they were arrested but they were not.
Right, when you’re arrested they have to read you your rights. Other than that it’s indistinguishable.
What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity? I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.
Their rights have been violated at every turn. And they were arrested. When men wearing masks and badges and carrying guns drag you out of your home and force you to give evidence against yourself, at gunpoint, what else would you call it than being arrested? The only other name for it is terrorism. Is that what you are calling it?
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No, you are. Now you are comparing the government with Al Qaeda. Nice going. You are all about the rule of law, which is clear throughout this blog. But when it comes to children being abused and fed to men three times their age in plural marriages and impregnating them, oooohhhh, it’s the big bad government doing them wrong.
Sorry, you don’t get any sympathy from me. Abortion is legal, that you don’t like it, Pilgrim, means you should get the law changed. That you don’t like Planned Parenthood, means you should get the laws changed.
That the state has the legal authority to act in loco parentis when parents won’t and aid and abet their children in getting pregnant is clear in this case and is the law.
And they weren’t arrested and they won’t have criminal records. When called on it hotel, you fold like a cheap deck of cards.
This may fall upon deaf ears, but I would be surprised if there are not some welfare and birth records that would tend to indicate statutory rape here. Now certainly we could do a lot better with other cases of young childbearing--and yes, most of the fathers of the children of teen girls are in their 20s--but does that mean we should not take action here?
And yes, the stated reasons--anonymous phone call likely made under false pretenses--for the warrant stink. I’m hoping yet that those involved are holding some evidence close to the vest here.
I’m hoping yet that those involved are holding some evidence close to the vest here.
I’m not an expert but it seems to me that they cannot add evidence they didn’t give the judge at the time the warrant was issued. Of course we’re relying on what’s been presented in the press, but I don’t see why they wouldn’t have access to the warrant papers.
What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity? I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.
andy,
Okay, okay....they weren’t arrested. They were taken into custody against their will, transported against their will, separated from the families against their will.....but they weren’t arrested.
Oh, and another point.....since those 460 kids are juveniles they wouldn’t have an arrest record after they are 18 anyway if they had been arrested.
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But that wasn’t the point I was making, Pilgrim and you know it. The state has the authority to remove children being abused and neglected.
That criminal charges may not be filed due to a “faulty” search warrant will not change the removal of the children nor does the removal of the children come under the criminal code in most states. There are child welfare laws that speak to the best interest of the child. So for example, a child is removed from a home due to neglect. The parents most likely will not be charged but the child will be placed in a foster home until the parents can properly care for the child.
That is no less the case here. What makes this case so sensational is that it involves a polygamous sect and underage children have been found pregnant, giving birth all the with the consent of their parents and many underage. That is where the state has an obligation to step in. Probably should have been done sooner. Not that the state didn’t know this was going on. A wink and a nod going on.
I think the state needs to PROVE the abuse before they get a search warrant.
What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity? I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.
How is this so-called polygamy sect any different from (or worse then) the hippie communes of the 60s?
docdave, I wondered the same thing. I can only think the difference is hierarchy control. (Manson/Jones hogwash style)
Personally, I don’t think any of us have a problem with others living their lives as they see fit. The YFZ sect is a cult in my view, but if they have a style they wish to follow they have a right to do so… until, they break the law.
Unfortunately, they broke the law, and the authorities handled it wrong.
Very, very sad, situation.
Whistler, they need to establish a reason for search, not prove the case--as a rule of thumb, probable cause for a warrant is a lower standard than you need to convince a grand jury to indict, and both are far less than you need to convict.
For example, medical records of a pregnant 15 year old girl are enough to start an investigation into statutory rape. They aren’t generally enough to convict the adult who made her pregnant. Another example; high utility bills can get a warrant to see if you’re growing dope for Pilgrim to smoke once he retires. They can’t convict you of smoking dope, though.
And I’m still waiting for a link to the warrants. Whatever we conclude here, somebody has a problem with understanding evidence--hopefully it’s the journalists and not the police in this case.
Thanks Bubba I should have chosen my words more carefully.
What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity? I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.
Bubba:
Heh.
Another example; high utility bills can get a warrant to see if you’re growing dope for Pilgrim to smoke once he retires.
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No, asshole, the state has the authority to arrest those committing crimes. None of these children committed any crimes. The adults who did commit crimes skated scot free. And you support the state abusing children. Why? Because they are the children of Mormons.
I noticed that you do not advocate doing the same for the children of Muslims. Muslims who also practice polygamy. And slavery, in 37 countries. Yet you have not a word to say about that.
You advocate the persecution of a religious group that practices non-violence. And cower in abject terror and subservience at the feet of a religious group that preaches violence and murder of the innocent. What a piece of shit you are.
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Hey, hotel you’re the one who called the police terrorists, not me. If you want to have a discussion on Muslims practicing polygamy in the US., have at it.
This isn’t about a group practicing non-violence. this is about a group who uses underage children to service men two and three times their age with the consent of the mothers. so you approve, so what. The government doesn’t as there are laws against it.
Nice try at the old red herring trick, hotel.
No, asshole, the state has the authority to arrest those committing crimes. None of these children committed any crimes.
Kitten,
Does this mean you also endorse leaving behind the American born children of illegal immigrants, after their parents have been arrested, for breaking the law?
Also, colorful language from the regulars at this site give me new hope of the advancement of the American educational system throughout the country.
asshole, you advocate terrorism against children who have committed no crimes. You cower in abject cowardice and fear of Muslims who openly practice what you accuse Mormons of. And yet you refuse to confront Muslims for the same crimes you accuse Mormons of. You piece of fucking shit.
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pussycat, how many Muslims did you confront today?
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We sent their asses packing to Dearborn.
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For all you folks off on a tangent, 2hotel9 has repeatedly asked WHY the MEN who committed illegal acts on these children have not been targeted, and yet the children are hauled away in the best Janet Reno fashion.
I wonder the same thing.
Instead of terrorizing hundred of children, why didn’t Texas law-enforcement roll in and haul away 30 - 40 male scoundrels and test them for DNA evidence?
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They didn’t haul the men away, because the women have been aiding and abetting the men doing what they were doing. The only way to protect the children was to remove them. Leaving the children with the women would only have left them in the same situation.
Hotel, yeah you and your army of one sent the muslim off to Dearborn. Man, you are a legend in your own mind. You minimize what has happened to these children and rail on Muslims when the Muslims in America have done no such thing.
And then you call the police terrorists. you are off your rocker.
The sad reality here is that the children themselves may be the evidence for crimes committed. Hence, the warrant seized that evidence.
2H9 is 100% correct that this is a rather abrupt change of routine for them, and it’s not beyond belief that it’s a quite unwelcome one. However, if you want to demonstrate that the dads are guilty, you’ve got to preserve the evidence.
And yes, I’m 100% in favor of applying this same standard to ghetto dads, Muslim polygamists, and so on. I’ve in fact asked our state welfare department about this, and thankfully they at least have a policy of asking for paternity. Not quite as sure they’re energetic about prosecuting statutory rape, but it’s a start.
Bikebubba, I absolutely agree that this is an abrupt change for the children. Removal of any child from most times the only home they have known will be upsetting to say the least. That is not to say, however, that it should not have been done.
I know social workers who have had to go into meth homes with the police to remove the children due to the dangerous nature of meth both to the environment and the reaction of an addicted parent. That the police don’t go in armed would be ridiculous. The police survey the facts on the ground and do what they do to protect themselves and others.
For hotel to call them terrorists, just shows his disdain for our police and he has lost all credibility to talk about al qaeda when he equates our police with the likes of terrorists.
But that’s just hotel, the guy who thinks he is a legend in his own mind.
(Disclaimer: I haven’t read this entire thread).
I think comparing the police to terrorists is overboard, but I’d point out that even in the instance of child abuse constitutional rights must be protected.
I don’t think it is right or appropriate to set aside the constitution in any situation, for we do so at our own peril.
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Government has a long history of meddling with families and removing their children for the ‘better good’. One of the most notable cases involved forcibly removing Indian children from their families so they could be indoctrinated in government schools.
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"Their rights have been violated at every turn. And they were arrested. When men wearing masks and badges and carrying guns drag you out of your home and force you to give evidence against yourself, at gunpoint, what else would you call it than being arrested? The only other name for it is terrorism. Is that what you are calling it?”
andy? When people wearing masks and carrying guns drag children from their homes what do you call it?
Why were the criminals not arrested?
Why were these kids arrested, processed, forced at gunpoint to give evidence against themselves, all without benefit of council? Then dropped into the Juvenile Detention system?
3 very direct questions. Why do you refuse to answer them?
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2H9, you’re missing the point. The children and their mothers were detained to collect the evidence of statutory rape and other crimes against the fathers, who will then be arrested if and when the evidence pans out.
And yes, foster care can look an awful lot like punishment. It ain’t pretty, but how else are you going to get the evidence and prevent the perps from tampering with it?
Even so, it’s not arrest; it’s collection of evidence and protective custody. Looks a lot like it, but none of the kids are looking at 10 to 30 in the big house like their dads might be. And maybe their moms, too.
And I’ll be every bit as mad as you if the evidence does not pan out, and even madder if the evidence is there, but cannot be used because the warrants are tainted.
BikeBubba: When did it become lawful to “detain” mothers and children by force to collect evidence?
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pparets; here’s the text of the 4th Amendment, which allows persons to be seized upon probable cause:
“The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. “
Note that it doesn’t say that a person must be a suspect to be named for seizure in a warrant.
Again, I grant you that this is ugly. However, if (IF IF) the warrant is good, it’s legal.
Seizure. Another word for arrest.
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Here is the applicable Texas child welfare code: http://tlo2.tlc.state.tx.us/statutes/docs/FA/content/htm/fa.005.00.000261.00.htm
Just because you keep saying it Hotel, doesn’t make it so. That goes for being a legend in your own mind.
And you still refuse to just answer the question.
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Hotel,
1. Not an arrest, the children were remove pursuant to the Texas Code. Hence the cite.
2.removing children for protective services, does not necessitate any arrests whatsoever. Hence the cite to the Texas code.
3. Children can be removed from a home under the suspicion of child abuse and neglect under the state’s in loco parentis. Hence the cite to the Texas code.
Now answer this, why are you an asshole? Nah, never mind it was meant to be rhetorical
Men wearing masks and carrying guns forced them from their homes. And you support it simply because they are Mormons. And cower on your knees in fear of Muslims. You are what is wrong with America.
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You support the right of men to rape young girls and impregnate them on a regular basis. In your world women are less than men. Makes you pretty close to a Muslim, Hotel.
Answer the question.
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The gov’t screwed up on something that needed to be done right and now the bad guys will probably get away...yet, again!
Arrgggh!
Hotel can’t read, question alreadly answered.
Anna, that may be true but the children are protected right now and their removal is not based on criminal law but state protective services law. The fact that underage girls are pregnant and some have been pregnant is more than proof enough, that neither parent is able to protect them.
A criminal charge does not need to be filed in order to remove children. It has never been the standard and never will be the standard, thank god.
Hotel thinks it is perfectly alright to abuse children sexually but when the police remove them wearing protection he calls the police terrorists. We know where his priorities are and they are not protecting young girls. In that way he is just like the muslims he decries on this blog on a regular basis.
The Texas authorities will eat crow over the way this was handled sooner or later.
Here’s what I wrote the other day in the comments of a post by pparets:
The whole thing was botched from the beginning and completely ignored the Fourth Amendment. My argument has been that any evidence gathered under false pretenses or as a result of false pretenses cannot be used - it’s called the “Fruit of the Poisonous Tree” concept.
More of this case will crumble under their feet because of their rush to judgement.
It still stands. And, andy, you can howl to the moon about how justified the removal of those children prior to any investigation was done is sanctified by a draconian civil code - it doesn’t make it right.
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andy,
I think Hotel is the kind of guy who would have to be peeled off of someone he caught abusing a child. He is in no way endorsing abuse in his comments. He’s arguing the same thing I am. It wasn’t done the right way.
Cut it out. If you can’t make a better argument than accusing someone of condoning abuse just because they disagree with you on this then you should seek a weaker minded group to debate with.
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You support the right of men to rape young girls and impregnate them on a regular basis. In your world women are less than men.
andydakota falls back upon reductio ad absurdum, having run out of factual arguments!
A troll is someone who only wants to stir up trouble, not have an honest debate. Some signs that a poster is a troll:
* Dodges questions from other posters * Refuses to give sources
* When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts. Heh. (From the LGF faq)
The fact that underage girls are pregnant and some have been pregnant is more than proof enough, that neither parent is able to protect them.
So are all underaged girls going to be removed from their home and thrown into the untender mercies of the foster parent system along with their younger siblings?
If not, then the fact that someone needs to prove where the abuse occured. It is NOT up to the state to invade peoples homes and make away with their children without due process of law.
Furthermore it appears that the perverts will NOT be punished which is a matter of gross incompetence.
What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity? I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.
Aren’t the women just as guilty as the males? Considering all members at YFZ, not only believe, teach and follow willingly ... they all,(mothers too), demand that the underage girls pretend to marry and have sex with an adult male.
And still it refuses to answer the question.
From all public reports the county social services AND Sheriff’s office knew full well what was going on there. 17 years.
Why did your vaunted “law enforcement” not put a stop to this shit 17 years ago? Why did they not arrest the perpetrators of these crimes? Why did they arrest 467 children?
Cut&paste some more lawyerspeak horseshit. We never tire of leftarded, anti-American, anti-human assholes spewing anti-American, anti-human shit. Throw some more anti-American, anti-human shit into the mix. We will continue to laugh at your anti-American, anti-human ass.
You refuse to stand against Muslims who tell you, and every fucking body else, that they are going to kill you, and your culture. And yet you gleefully persecute Mormons. Who routinely support America against you fucking assholes.
Who should we, Americans, actually support? Your AIDS infected ass? Or real Americans? Like Mormons?
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Hotel writes:
anti-human assholes spewing anti-American, anti-human shit. Throw some more anti-American, anti-human shit into the mix. We will continue to laugh at your anti-American, anti-human ass.
Wow, I must have hit a nerve here. You support the raping of children, and you’re not anti-human. You compare the police to terrorists and you’re not anti-american. Hmm… what color are those funny pills you’re taking.
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No, but in this case there was an entire system of families who were making their underage children get pregnant on more than one occasion. There is a difference here. If an underaged girl gets pregnant, it doesn’t necessitate a removal unless there is more. In this case this is an entire system. There is a difference and I think you know it as well.So are all underaged girls going to be removed from their home and thrown into the untender mercies of the foster parent system along with their younger siblings?
These children can’t be protected by either parent so what would you do? Leave them in this living situation. What would you do?
And Yes, Anna, absolutely the women are to blame as well which is why the children can’t be placed with them either until this is sorted out.
Proof and
No, anti-American asshole, you are the one telling us there is no evidence to arrest the men who committed these crimes. Instead you advocate the arrest and punishment of the victims.
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Hey Hotel, didn’t you pledge once to stop using bad language on this blog? You can’t even do that!
You compare the police to terrorists, you defend the treatment of these girls by the men there since they haven’t been arrested and decry what muslims do to women. And you call me anti-american, Ha!
The children were not arrested, no matter how long you say it, sitting there by your computer holding your breath and stomping your feet in a computer key typing tantrum.
I advocate the protection of these children which neither parent is able to do. The mothers think it is perfectly ok for their kids to be raped and the father gladly hand them over to their fellow men. Sorry, this is an easy one for me.
Hey Hotel, didn’t you pledge once to stop using bad language on this blog?
I didn’t make that pledge, andydorkota, and it looks to me like his language is quite restrained when speaking to the likes of you!
Are you purposefully choosing to miss the point of what he’s saying, or are you really that obtuse?
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* Dodges questions from other posters * Refuses to give sources
* When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts. Heh. (From the LGF faq)
You are the who is so deliriously happy about children being arrested and denied their rights. You are the one who keeps screeching about how there is no evidence to arrest the child molesters, instead you want the victims punished. Morons like you have entirely screwed this case to hell. And you, anti-American asshole, are the problem. Had this been done to blacks, hispanics, or Muslims you would be screaming for the cops involved to be thrown in jail. Since it was done to whites you are all for it.
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wow, that your tantrum is continuing. Now you lie about what I have written. But what can you expect from someone who pledges not to use bad language then when he can’t win an argument, can’t string a sentence together without using bad language.
It’s too bad you have more concern for getting the men arrested than making sure these young girls who have been raped and impregnated protected. Then you try to throw in a few red herrings, like blacks and hispanics. Oh and remember it was you who brought up the Muslims.
Throwing these kids into the Texas Juvenile detention system is not protecting them, stupid ass.
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So you’re ok with the state barging in to a persons house and taking their children without proving any sort of crime.
Sounds like pretty much unlimited government powers you’re giving the state. Say something they don’t like they take your children for their protection.
Despite the fact you don’t like these cultists (and neither do I) you still have to have a system of due process.
What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity? I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.
Ok,Hotel, now we’re getting somewhere. If the parents can’t protect these children then what is society supposed to do?
Whistler, I think the rub is that you all are looking at this as the only reason a child can be removed from a home is for criminal reasons. That is not the case. Sometimes children are removed because a parent is unable to care properly for a child for any number of reasons.
And no, the government’s power to remove children is not unlimited as you assert. But in this case, I just don’t see what choice they had. Yes, they could have removed all the men but then the mothers would have coached their children to lie which we know has occurred. We now know that these children have been impregnated underage and on a regular basis by men two and three times their age. I just don’t see how the mothers would have been able to protect their children when they approve of what has been happening.
There are no easy answer here, but I would rather err on the side of making sure the children are protected especially when we know what has been happening. Should something have been done sooner. Absolutely! But in the end if we have protected those young girls from being impregnated, then so be it.
Arrest the molesters, not the victims.
Una Salus Victus Nullam Sperare Salutem
Arrest the molesters, not the victims.
Hmm.. in this case wouldn’t that leave the children at the compound without adult supervision?
After all, all the adults are guilty of aiding and abetting?
Every adult on the compound believes and follows the underage sexual ritual. If you leave the children with those adult, related or not, wouldn’t that leave the children at further risk?
Just curious is all. This is such an unusual case it’s hard to imagine.
Anna, that’s a real concern. Just what do you do? The girls have been impregnated with the consent of the parents. How do you protect the children?
Hotel perseverates on some perverse criminal arrest of these children when he has absolutely no proof of a single arrest warrant for the children. It is called protective services for a reason. when you don’t know who has perpetrated the abuse, you must then remove the child from the environment. that is what was done in this case. when you don’t have a parent who will protect the child from further harm then you must remove the child.
I agree, Anna on the question of how to protect the children when the parents won’t.
Anna:
The problem here (IMO) is that the authorities went in there based on a fraudulent call, based on a warrant covering only the suspected abuse of that caller. They had the right to try and find the caller and take her into protective custody while investigating her charges. However, they went with the clear intent of taking all the children out of there, absent any specific charges based on a warrant covering that extensive activity. Thus, I fear even the child molestors cannot be convicted as all other evidence uncovered based on a narrow warrant will have to be thrown out. Sad, but the authorities clearly, IMO, overstepped their authority and bungled this case.
No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.
Neiman, It seems you all are more concerned about criminal convictions than making sure these girls are protected. Should they have been left there to continue to be impregnated with no protection from their parents.
While I hope there are prosecutions I more concerned that the children are protected from further sexual abuse regardless of whether there are criminal prosecutions. so in that respect the case wasn’t bungled.
Exactly. The authorities screwed up for sure and I don’t think anyone is arguing there.
2H9, I’m not sure what you want me to read, but just because the charges were dropped doesn’t mean he and all the others are not followers of the beliefs of the YFZ sect. They are.
YFZ belief: Children are sealed to fathers and wives are sealed to husbands because women are not admitted to heaven on their own accord; they must be sealed to a male relative.
Perfect obedience to a male produces perfect faith.
Males stress the need for total submission of women.
Polygamy and marriage after puberty is a right given by the Lord.
Procreation every other year duri
