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Since when were global warming critics denying that the globe is, in fact, getting warmer?

I certainly don’t dispute that.  What I dispute is a) that it’s necessarily being caused by human activity, b) we can do anything to stop it and c) that it will end in catastrophe.

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I would only argue with you about (a). The whole ‘its really cooling off’ BS we hear from Whistler is just silly. At any rate the next 40 years are gonna be exciting politically, warfare-wise, environmentally, and in many other ways. Its a good time to be alive. All things considered, the earth was a giant, molten ball of radioactive shit at one point… I think you would agree with that (but Gene might not)… so who gives an eff what direction it goes in. I think rafted, floating communities with satellite mapping systems (because they are floating and may not be anchored all the time) sounds alot cooler than hanging out with everyone in the world on the top of the Himalayas.

oh, by the way, i did see al gore’s film… or parts of it (friends were watching while i was playing chess)… and i kept wondering what global warming has to with those gratuitously long shots of al looking concerned and contemplative. i think 2/3 of the film was shots of him, thinking. it really was kinda fucked up. if i paid to see it I think i would be pretty pissed. i wouldn’t believe that shit either, if that was my only source for it… i think he actually had a negative affect on what he hoped to change…

The whole ‘its really cooling off’ BS we hear from Whistler is just silly

Once again Sparkie gets things wrong again.  Get ready for another spaz attack.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

By the way Sparkie way to stay up with things. 
I Blogged this topic last year. 

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

The ice shelf broke off, and is now floating free, but it’s now an ice island; it didn’t melt.  What’s all the fuss about?  Rampant chickenlittleism.

Leftie political philosophy, from a DU commenter:

It doesn’t matter if it’s true or not. RUMOR IS TRUTH. The modern laws of media hype and political warfare have a useful tenet: Repeat ANYTHING or raise false concern over ANYTHING and it is likely to be planted in the conscious/subconscious of many voters.

The whole ‘its really cooling off’ BS we hear from Whistler is just silly

Once again Sparkie gets things wrong again.  Get ready for another spaz attack.

Bullshit Whistler. I read it. I also read your comment where you accuse global warming of being a socialist conspiracy… hence my suggestion that the socialists chipped this sucker off with chisels. Basically some people will say or do anything to undermine the scientific fact of global warming. Take for example Rush Limbaugh. He points to the fact that the earth has warmed and cooled before as evidence its not related to human activity. Right Rush. He also points to cows as the main cause and says, ‘aha/ its cow farts. that’s not humans.’ right. cars aren’t humans either Rush, you frigging tool… the guy who dropped out of a shitty college because he couldn’t pass speah or english or some other class the retards pass. I do believe this one to be human caused. I think that’s clear. Can we do anything to rectify it? Probably not. Can we do things to generally extend our stay on this ball of dirt that are related to global warming and other environmental concerns? Clearly.

The ice shelf broke off, and is now floating free, but it’s now an ice island; it didn’t melt.  What’s all the fuss about?

Nothing. Everything’s fine. I am not about to begin discussing science with YOU! Since you are a brain scientist (HA!) you probably wouldn’t get this anyway.

Let’s see Sparkie, You say I said the Earth is cooling down.  I pointed out (in a much more timely matter) that global warming is 12,000 years old.

Now you cannot reconcile those two statements.

By they way, Rob also posted on the cow farts being a cause of global warming(did the buffalo have flatuence?) Of course he posted the source rather than making stuff up like you do.

Maybe you can hire Carl Sagan to do some research for you on this.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

Well Whistler, when I did the search I couldn’t get the right page to load… Every other page loads just fine so I’m a bit suspect of that… here’s a screen grab to refresh your faulty memory.

A:  Are you claiming that I wrote that article?  I don’t believe I did.

B.  Are you denying that the earth was cooler during those months.

The point of the article as I recall was that warm temperatures are news where cooler temperatures are not reported.

You really are about as foolish as they come aren’t you.  Geez you can’t even get a page to open for you.

Here’s the story for you since you can’t seem to do it yourself.  Notice that I didn’t write it and Robert108 who did write it

By the way you notice that the information came from the official government agency, not made up. 

You’re really a piece of work.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

Yep, sparklepacifist, don’t believe anyone here. Believe NASA. Believe NOAA. Believe Lawerence Livermore Laboratory. Believe the Antarctic Climate Survey.

Oh, yes. The climate, it is a changin’. Just like it always has.

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He’s been channeling Carl Sagan (and it turns out Carl Sagan tells him whatever delusions he wants to hear.)

I’ll finish that thought.  Robert who did write it was pointing out that the media ignore data that doesn’t fit in with what they think it should be.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

I do believe this one to be human caused.

So, it’s a religious thing with you then, Sparkie?

If it’s real, you should be able to answer this question: How much does each 0.1% increase in atmospheric CO2 cause the global mean temp to increase?
Should be easy for you.

Leftie political philosophy, from a DU commenter:

It doesn’t matter if it’s true or not. RUMOR IS TRUTH. The modern laws of media hype and political warfare have a useful tenet: Repeat ANYTHING or raise false concern over ANYTHING and it is likely to be planted in the conscious/subconscious of many voters.

Careful Robert, it can be dangerous challenging someone’s delusions.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

Yes, sometimes those pesky “facts” get in the way, like the fact that there is no quantifiable and predictable cause and effect relationship between human activity and global mean temperature.  Oh, well!  See how well the predictions for the 2006 hurricane season went.

Leftie political philosophy, from a DU commenter:

It doesn’t matter if it’s true or not. RUMOR IS TRUTH. The modern laws of media hype and political warfare have a useful tenet: Repeat ANYTHING or raise false concern over ANYTHING and it is likely to be planted in the conscious/subconscious of many voters.

Wait! This is about a giant piece of ice, floating in the ocean. Oh.My.God! We are all DOOOOMMMED!!!! Nothing like this has EVER happened before. What could we possibly call this thing?

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Actually 2h9, there was a more bigger one that broke off 25 years ago. 

Proof of global warming.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

Yeah, it’s like no chunks of ice have ever broken off and floated away before, but then where did that giant iceberg come from that sank the Titanic in 1912?  Aren’t all icebergs formed by breaking off from an ice sheet somewhere?  Haven’t icebergs been around for as long as we can remember?

Leftie political philosophy, from a DU commenter:

It doesn’t matter if it’s true or not. RUMOR IS TRUTH. The modern laws of media hype and political warfare have a useful tenet: Repeat ANYTHING or raise false concern over ANYTHING and it is likely to be planted in the conscious/subconscious of many voters.

I got this from the news story I used when I reported on this event last year:

“This loss is the biggest in 25 years, but it continues the loss that occurred within the last century,” Copland told AFP, saying 90 percent of the the ice cover had been lost since the area was discovered in 1906.

“The breakup of the ice cover on Ellesmere Island has been going on for 12,000 years,

Sparkie’s probably building himself a boat because the oceans are going to rise a thousand feet.  (Never mind that the ice pack in the South is growing.)

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

That is funny, Toot! Just before Christmas break I found a National Geographic from the early ‘80s with that article for Boy to do a school report. Friend of mine has 40 years of them, stacked in paper ream boxes. Took 4 hours, all we had as our start was a picture of an iceburg with caption and National Geographic copymark. No date, no issue #. It was FUN!

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Here is a nice article on the subject.

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And another good source on the subject.

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Wait! This is about a giant piece of ice, floating in the ocean. Oh.My.God! We are all DOOOOMMMED!!!! Nothing like this has EVER happened before. What could we possibly call this thing?

We have water and ice.  Throw in some scotch and we can call it a cocktail.

"Although I can accept talking scarecrows, lions and great wizards in emerald cities, I find it hard to believe there is no paperwork involved when your house lands on a witch.”
- Dave James

I prefer tequila and salt.

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Again, setting aside the polemics, the arctic shelf ice has been melting for a solid century now.  According to the global warming advocates (e.g., Michael Mann), human generated global warming didn’t become significant until 1980 (simply because, before 1980 we weren’t industrialized on a global scale to produce enough CO2 to make any difference).

That hardly explains the sheet-ice meltdown for the remaining 80 years or so.

Rob, actually it would be somewhat comforting to know that we can significantly affect the climate, because that means we could do things like stop ice ages from happening.  (I think we have about 11000 years to get ready for the next one, so that’s a way off yet.)

2H9, here’s a third: Antarctica’s ice sheet melting naturally

The Whistler:

Sparkie’s probably building himself a boat because the oceans are going to rise a thousand feet.  (Never mind that the ice pack in the South is growing.)

Of course, the other joke about this is that melting shelf-ice doesn’t have any affect on ocean levels.  The melting ice has to be on land for it to have any impact.

Carrick, I thought that we were due for an ice age.  More specifically I’ve read in a number of places that the period between the ice ages is 10-12,000 years.  The last one was 12,000 years ago. 

Of course I’m not an expert, but more of a skeptic about global warming.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

The 11,000 year number is an often repeated but completely bogus number, based on very limited and poor quality data.  The estimate varies wildly over the length of the current interglacial period.  I’ve seen numbers in the mid-20,000 years, which is where I pulled the 11,000+ years-left number from.

Take for example, this graph from more recent (and much more extensive_ core sample measurements: 

The gray periods are estimates of the interglacial period, typically they run about 30,000 years.  (Click on the image for a more detailed description.)

And of course a “real” reference:

Eight glacial cycles from an Antarctic ice core

Gratuitous disclaimer: Carl Sagan could not be reached for comments on this story.

So if I understand this right then, the ice ages don’t last 100,000+ years either.

And the last ice age lasted longer than the others?

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

The cycle length is about 100,000 years, probably due to the weak forcing from the Milankovich Cycle. That means the interglacial + glacial periods add to about 100,000 years.  A longer interglacial implies a shorter glacial period.

I agree that based on this data set, it would appear that the last ice age was longer.  I’m not sure how accurate that is…

Carrick, you know what is fun? Throwing articles from Nature at environazis and watching them come unglued when they realize they don’t blame humans for “global climate change”. Or printing out 10 page spreads from JPL’s wepsite and dropping it in their lap. They look at it like a live grenade with the pin barely hanging in the spoon. Just priceless!

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Hi folks, Im interested to know which direction this iceburg is expected to go. My high school aged son came home and said this iceburg will have an effect on the temperature of the air and ocean along the east coast of the U.S. this summer. He was told this information in school and Im checking up on it, to make sure he received the correct information and for my own curiosity.

Fann,go up the thread to the 7th comment above your’s, also the 10th, 11th comments. They have links to a few articles. I’ll throw some links in another post here in a few minutes.

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This first ones is a Hurricane study, it does give a clear picture of the winds and sea currents involved in the Atlantic and along the Eastern Seaboard.

This one is a good one to start using the SVS Image Server. A most excellent tool!

And here is the money shot! With this link, and a lot of patience, you can find data to support any position anyone would care to take about “climate change”.

And please! Feel at ease to checkout sayanything, you’ll be amazed at what you will find here. To say the least.

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OH! And no, the ice from this event will not effect weather on the East Coast.

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Thanx for the links. Looking for info for son to bring to his self proclaimed genius science teacher. I thought the whole thing was a bit far fetched. He even told the kids that this iceburg’s size was around 175,000 sq. miles. More like the size of the entire island it broke off of. An iceburg that size I would think could have an astronomical impact on ocean temps and climate but from what Ive read about it, this thing is like a single rice crispy in a swimming pool of milk. LOL

nasa.gov is a fairly safe place for kids to click around and check stuff out. It can be frustrating to find what you are looking for, but once you have it its worth it.

When an iceshelf breaks away from the main body they begin fragmenting from the breakline towards the seaward facing side, then the breakup becomes general. Basically the stresses of wave action snap it loose and then grind the pieces together.

At least that is how the ones observed so far do it. Open sea ice behaves differently.

For any chunk of ice to effect temps along a coastline it would have to sit there a long time, and start up the coast from the Bahamas. Not to mention getting to that position from arctic waters. No mean feat.

Here is a good link for cool pictures and video/animation clips. And this is the ultimate in getting your monies worth out of a vehicle!

Good luck with that teacher, I am afraid you are going to learn firsthand that the religion of Leftardism is quite intolerant when questioned.

Later on, bro.

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