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But we lose either way.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

That’s the “we’re so screwed” mentality that you seem to wallow in.

If you can look forward to an Obama presidency, don’t let me interrupt you.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

“Glory is not a conceit. It is not a decoration for valor. Glory belongs to the act of being constant to something greater than yourself, to a cause, to your principles, to the people on whom you rely, and who rely on you in return.”
Senator John McCain, Faith of Our fathers

Don’t you think you’d be better served by trying to get your candidate to take positions that will get him electable.

He’s made a calculated decision (wrong in my opinion) that he doesn’t need my vote.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

McCain does need your vote.  He just can’t tailor his campaign to suit every single voter’s desires.

You’re going to have to do whatever suits you, but me and lots of others will not stand by and see the country turned over to Barack Obama without a fight.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

“Glory is not a conceit. It is not a decoration for valor. Glory belongs to the act of being constant to something greater than yourself, to a cause, to your principles, to the people on whom you rely, and who rely on you in return.”
Senator John McCain, Faith of Our fathers

Go ahead and do what YOU want, I’m not willing to contribute to either Obama or McCain screwing up the country. 

me and lots of others will not stand by and see the country turned over to Barack Obama without a fight.

You’re going to see that McCain doesn’t get the nomination?

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

Hell, even I don’t mind a McCain presidency.  You guys are screwed any way you look at it.

He is not that difficult of a guy to get him to lean towards the left side of the mainstream.

The voters gave McCain the nomination.  Doing nothing is a vote for Obama, but then you’ve already said that and so have I.

This conversation is pointless.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

“Glory is not a conceit. It is not a decoration for valor. Glory belongs to the act of being constant to something greater than yourself, to a cause, to your principles, to the people on whom you rely, and who rely on you in return.”
Senator John McCain, Faith of Our fathers

Hannitized makes my point.

I’ll be voting, probably for Bob Barr.  If the Libertarian ticket jumps up 5 points or so it will be a good message to future Republican nominees that they can’t promise to communize the economy and win.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

see #6

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

“Glory is not a conceit. It is not a decoration for valor. Glory belongs to the act of being constant to something greater than yourself, to a cause, to your principles, to the people on whom you rely, and who rely on you in return.”
Senator John McCain, Faith of Our fathers

McCain does need your vote.

Then he needs to earn it by making a strong reason to vote for him, and he doesn’t seem to care about doing that.  All you can come up with is “he’s not as bad as Obama”, which is extremely weak.  Give us a positive reason to vote for him, if you can.
I don’t believe he will stand up to the Dem Congress when they try to withdraw the funding for Iraq; he will “cross the aisle” to get along, just like he has always done.  I want the damage from the global warming and “tax the wealthy” nonsense to be on the Dems, not a guy masquerading as a Republican.

Hope and change, in a free world, are the private possessions of motivated individuals.

Give us a positive reason to vote for him.

Rush: 

Barack Obama must not be allowed anywhere near 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

“Glory is not a conceit. It is not a decoration for valor. Glory belongs to the act of being constant to something greater than yourself, to a cause, to your principles, to the people on whom you rely, and who rely on you in return.”
Senator John McCain, Faith of Our fathers

#6:  Give up the idea that McCain will carry through on the bones that he’s thrown conservatives.

Like when he said border security first and then said he’d sign the amnesty bill if it came to his desk.

That number six?

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

The risks to this country are too horrible to contemplate if Obama wins POTUS with a filibuster- proof Leftist Congress. It will be two to four years of unmitigated hell on earth and we could lose this country in the process; but, hell it is better to make a point by not voting and letting Obama into the White House, because hell, it will make you feel better even as the country implodes to say you were right.

It is true that McCain is a liberal in many ways, he is not selling us on why to vote for him, it is a weak damn campaign to say vote for me because the other guy is worse, and if he won’t fight POTUS he doesn’t deserve to win. But, I guess people like me and Pparets are suckers for preferring a feckless, liberal leaning McCain as POTUS versus a pure Leftist of the worst order, an appeaser, a naive fool like Obama that can destroy this country.

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

you keep whistling the same tune over and over.  I told you this conversation is pointless.  Do what you have to do.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

“Glory is not a conceit. It is not a decoration for valor. Glory belongs to the act of being constant to something greater than yourself, to a cause, to your principles, to the people on whom you rely, and who rely on you in return.”
Senator John McCain, Faith of Our fathers

I guess people like me and Pparets are suckers for preferring a feckless, liberal leaning McCain as POTUS

Actually if you guys and guys like you were to also hold back McCain would have no choice but to make himself an electable candidate.

But when he knows that guys like you are going to vote for him no matter what he has no incentive to straighten up. 

I’m not blaming you mind you.  You and PP are doing what you think is best.

you keep whistling the same tune over and over.

You should talk.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

Correct.  But your tune leads to an Obama victory.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

“Glory is not a conceit. It is not a decoration for valor. Glory belongs to the act of being constant to something greater than yourself, to a cause, to your principles, to the people on whom you rely, and who rely on you in return.”
Senator John McCain, Faith of Our fathers

I keep hoping that the horse will learn to sing and McCain will reinvent himself as an acceptable candidate.  (Barely more good than bad would be good enough.)

Time’s running short.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

The risks to this country are too horrible to contemplate if Obama wins POTUS with a filibuster- proof Leftist Congress. It will be two to four years of unmitigated hell on earth and we could lose this country in the process; but, hell it is better to make a point by not voting and letting Obama into the White House, because hell, it will make you feel better even as the country implodes to say you were right.

There are so many people that don’t care and are looking at it as a way to stick it to the rich and the well to do of this nation. It will of course set us back years.

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It is no suprise at all that Conservatism is dead in this country - it is dead, that liberalism or moderate Republicanism (RINO’s) will rule this country for decades. There is more than enough hatred among conservatives for each other, as often displayed here at SA; so little tolerance for differences of opinion among conservatives; and each one, a king unto himself demands that every other conservative accept their rigid views of conservatism or shut the hell up.

Everything said here about McCain is mostly true, he is a sickening choice for POTUS, until you seriously consider the purely evil alternative and by that comparison he looks pretty good. When they swear in Obama this country moves drastically Left overnight and we all lose big time. Obama calls the Democrat Party “his party” now, Ted Kennedy with a well deserved brain tumor has promised to help Obama make National Health Care into Law, Obama’s promises of high taxes, class warfare and even racial warfare will be a reality overnight, but by all means let us be stylish and as my father once told me, out of anger “cut off our noses just to spite our faces.” Only this time the people not voting for RINO McCain will be cutting off our national future, just to satisfy our pride.

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

The only good thing is that they’ll be screwing themselves up as well.

Besides watching Obama self destruct will be fun.

Finally I don’t think it’ll matter.  When the election gets close we’ll hear so much about Charles Keating you’ll wonder why it didn’t come up in the primary season.

In fact I look forward to the deer in the headlights look when McCain tries to explain he didn’t do anything really wrong.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

Absolutely correct and so well said, neiman!!

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

“Glory is not a conceit. It is not a decoration for valor. Glory belongs to the act of being constant to something greater than yourself, to a cause, to your principles, to the people on whom you rely, and who rely on you in return.”
Senator John McCain, Faith of Our fathers

Whistler: I have said for a long time that we must hold McCain accountable, the Party must make that crystal clear to him, we need to elect a lot of conservative legislators to prevent a filbuster-proof congress and get some strong, electable conservative candidates groomed to take over from McCain in four years.

I don’t like this guy any more than you do, it is just that I truly fear an Obama Presidency more.

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

That won’t work Neiman, McCain’s MO for years has been to stab the party in the back to curry favor with the press.

In fact they’ve been the only constituency he’s been loyal to.

Too bad for him that they’ll turn on him as fast as they did Bill Clinton.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

The deer in the headlights look..

And - if that happens - will that give you a thrill of satisfaction and a warm glow of “I told you so”?

Is that how you view this, Whistler?  That it’s so important that you be justified by events, that the nation’s fate does not matter? That once you have proven your point, we can go pick up the pieces and try to repair the damage, just so long as events prove you right?  Is that really how you view this?

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

“Glory is not a conceit. It is not a decoration for valor. Glory belongs to the act of being constant to something greater than yourself, to a cause, to your principles, to the people on whom you rely, and who rely on you in return.”
Senator John McCain, Faith of Our fathers

I’m not happy about this at all.  I voted for Reagan, George HW Bush, Bob Dole, George W Bush.  No Democrats, no third parties ever.

I have children to worry about the country they inherit.

But I’m not going to vote for any candidate that is going to be bad for the country.

So anyway I’ll sit back and enjoy what I can and hope for the best.

The problem is McCain, not me.  I didn’t leave the Republican Party, it left me.  (I didn’t make that up all by myself.)

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

I’m not willing to contribute to either Obama or McCain screwing up the country. 

Unfortunately it’s people like you that will indirectly aid Obama to an election victory.  Thst you can’t see that Obama would me much worse than McCain is not consistent with your otherwise intelligent behavior.

You don’t have to be a moron to be a liberal Democrat but it sure helps.

Isn’t it up to the candidate to make himself acceptable to the voters.

In this case Obama can be beat.  McCain doesn’t want to do that.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

Whistler: I share your feelings about not liking this situation at all. But, considering your children’s future, you must seriously ask yourself if four-years with a Leftist of the most extreme nature (Obama), with a solid Socialist, filibuster-proof Congress, willing to do his bidding will do to this country is a risk you really want to assume on their behalf. Isn’t a half-loaf Republican like McCain less of a danger to their future if we all work to take back the party during that time?

I also hate this election cycle, I have voted since the early Sixties and I have never seen the nation facing the danger it will face with an Obama presidency. It is truly sickening! But, if we can rebuild the Conservative base and take back over, at least in Congress, in four years, won’t we have a better chance at rescuing the nation from Obama and the Democrats destructive folly.

I am second to none in my respect for you at SA, but on this one occasion I sincerely believe your are absolutely wrong to risk even a few years of an Obama presidency and a Leftist Filibuster-Proof Congress, because I think there is a real risk that things could be so bad in a few years, the Democrats will ensure a century or more of unchallenged political power absent violent revolution. Just think of the fairness doctrine being resurrected in the first year and conservative thought being denied the American people. That is just one tiny thing they can do to dstroy us in a few years.

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

McCain is out (consciously or not) to destroy the Republican party.  If he did win he’d likely lead to worse results than Obama. 

At least we’d still have an opposition party.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

Goon, Neiman, DocDave:  Whistler loves this because he gets to pronounce HIS view again and again, regardless of the consequences or what you say.

Do you think that he doesn’t know that his smug “I’ll sit home” stand will guarantee an Obama victory?  He rationalizes that an Obama presidency might actually be good for the nation.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

“Glory is not a conceit. It is not a decoration for valor. Glory belongs to the act of being constant to something greater than yourself, to a cause, to your principles, to the people on whom you rely, and who rely on you in return.”
Senator John McCain, Faith of Our fathers

Isn’t it up to the candidate to make himself acceptable to the voters.

While ideally true, that has no bearing on what I previously posted which was a simple statement of what I believe is fact, that the election will hinge on how many people like you can swallow their dislike for McCain long enought to vote for him.

You don’t have to be a moron to be a liberal Democrat but it sure helps.

McCain is out (consciously or not) to destroy the Republican party.  If he did win he’d likely lead to worse results than Obama. 

Boy, I hope you got more than your feelings to support that assertion.

You don’t have to be a moron to be a liberal Democrat but it sure helps.

Do you think that he doesn’t know that his smug “I’ll sit home” stand will guarantee an Obama victory?

That’s a contradiction in terms and untrue, I’ll vote, just not for anyone I think is bad for the country.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

Boy, I hope you got more than your feelings to support that assertion.

For one thing his whole career has been to split away from the party.

After 2000 he was ready to leave the party, there’s even a story out there that he didn’t vote for GWB.  (Boy and PP get’s on me).

But more importantly I think his policies will be so bad that they’ll lead to no end of problems for the country.  Of course the Republicans will take the blame.

Not only that his personality is such that it’s ripe for full on attack from the press.  That’s going to be bad for the party. 

Plus his ethical lapses are going to do more harm for the party than this November than Mark Foley and more deservedly so.

GWB has been bad for the party.  Now I respect him and aside from his idiotic stand for amnesty I think he’s stood for the things.  But he’s been bad for the party mostly because he won’t or can’t stick up for what’s right.  McCain will be much worse.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

Barack Obama must not be allowed anywhere near 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

That’s not a positive reason to vote for McCain; it’s just your usual “not as bad-tasting a shit sandwich” argument.  Try again.

Hope and change, in a free world, are the private possessions of motivated individuals.

robert108:  I didn’t say it. Rush did. Take it up with him.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

“Glory is not a conceit. It is not a decoration for valor. Glory belongs to the act of being constant to something greater than yourself, to a cause, to your principles, to the people on whom you rely, and who rely on you in return.”
Senator John McCain, Faith of Our fathers

I didn’t say it. Rush did. Take it up with him.

You missed it: I asked you for a positive reason to vote for McCain, and you have yet to come up with one.
Your Rush quote was a distraction.

Hope and change, in a free world, are the private possessions of motivated individuals.

Do you think that he doesn’t know that his smug “I’ll sit home” stand will guarantee an Obama victory?  He rationalizes that an Obama presidency might actually be good for the nation.

A lot can happen between now in the election. Obama should be worried that Hillary is sitting there waiting to release some damaging information. I am waiting to see if McCain picks as a running mate if it is a Liberal I am possibly voting for Bob Bahr.

It is possible that I will plug my nose and pull the lever for McCain, I haven’t decided yet I am still on the fence. However, If I keep hearing about Comprehensive Immigration reform better know as shamesty and about global warming and putting caps on industry I am probably going to stay home.

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...the election will hinge on how many people like you can swallow their dislike for McCain long enought to vote for him.

Not inspiring, or accurate.  It’s not about simple dislike, it’s a realization that what he supports is bad for the country.

Hope and change, in a free world, are the private possessions of motivated individuals.

McCain will not give up the war on terror. He will keep taxes low.  He will nominate conservative judges and justices. He will defend the 2nd Amendment.  He will support right to life.  He will resist bigger government.

None of which Barack Obama will do.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

“Glory is not a conceit. It is not a decoration for valor. Glory belongs to the act of being constant to something greater than yourself, to a cause, to your principles, to the people on whom you rely, and who rely on you in return.”
Senator John McCain, Faith of Our fathers

Goon, Neiman, DocDave: Whistler loves this because he gets to pronounce HIS
view again and again, regardless of the consequences or what you say.

I doubt us four have this much power.

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robert108:  My Rush quote is no diversion.  It is the second paragraph in my original post which, obviously, you never bothered to read.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

“Glory is not a conceit. It is not a decoration for valor. Glory belongs to the act of being constant to something greater than yourself, to a cause, to your principles, to the people on whom you rely, and who rely on you in return.”
Senator John McCain, Faith of Our fathers

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This is what Barack Friend’s stand for.

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For one thing his whole career has been to split away from the party.

I don’t believe that is true.  I haven’t done the research but I believe McCain supported the Republicans on Supreme Court nominees, tax breaks, gun control, Iraqi/Afghanistan wars, traditional marriage, late term abortions to name a few.

But more importantly I think his policies will be so bad that they’ll lead to no end of problems for the country.  Of course the Republicans will take the blame.

And that’s not going to happen with Obama?  Anyway the Dems will find a way to blame the Republicans when their socialist programs implode.

Not only that his personality is such that it’s ripe for full on attack from the press.  That’s going to be bad for the party. 

The press will attack ANY Republican candidate.  They sure didn’t cut Bush any slack.

Plus his ethical lapses are going to do more harm for the party than this November than Mark Foley and more deservedly so.

Not sure what you’re talking about here.  Care to elaborate?

You don’t have to be a moron to be a liberal Democrat but it sure helps.

He rationalizes that an Obama
presidency might actually be good for the nation.

No he doesn’t; you don’t have to lie that way.  He just doesn’t see a lot of difference between the two regimes.

Hope and change, in a free world, are the private possessions of motivated individuals.

Interesting choice of examples:

McCain will not give up the war on terror.

By closing Gitmo and getting every terrorist a lawyer.

He will keep taxes low.

I would believe him more if he hadn’t voted against these tax cuts as going to the wealthy.

He will nominate conservative judges and justices.

But he sabotaged conservative judges in the name of getting along with the Dems.

He will defend the 2nd Amendment.

With his GAO “F” ratings?

He will support right to life. 

By compromising with the Dems on judges.

He will resist bigger government.

Right Tax, Cap, Regulate and Trade is “smaller government.”

Maybe he will do some of those things or at least try(which is all you can expect), however his senate record on any of them isn’t that good.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

And when have I ever suggested that there is anything good about Obama?

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

Not sure what you’re talking about here.  Care to elaborate?

Charles Keating.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

The press will attack ANY Republican candidate.

I don’t see McCain having the ability to fend it off by ANY stretch of the imagination.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

robert108:  I apologize.  Whistler does not think Obama will be good for the nation.  He and you have both - on any number of occasions - argued that an Obama presidency will hasten a conservative resurgence. It’s the party you are concerned about.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

“Glory is not a conceit. It is not a decoration for valor. Glory belongs to the act of being constant to something greater than yourself, to a cause, to your principles, to the people on whom you rely, and who rely on you in return.”
Senator John McCain, Faith of Our fathers

Whistler does not think Obama will be good for the nation.

Goon does not think he will be good for this nation but it might be what we need to get on the right track.

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My Rush quote is no diversion. It is the second paragraph in my original post which, obviously, you never bothered to read.

Once again, I asked you for a positive reason to vote for McCain; I’m still waiting.  I didn’t ask what Rush said, so yes, you did try to distract.

Hope and change, in a free world, are the private possessions of motivated individuals.

It’s the party you are concerned about.

Wrong.  I care about keeping America about American values.  As of right now, neither the Dems or the Republicans stand for American values(conservatism), so I don’t support either one.  Now, there is no chance in hell that the Dems will embrace American values anytime soon, but the Republicans(McCain) only recently strayed from American values, so I think supporting that Party might be a better way to return to American values.  Clear now?
It’s really tiring to have to continually correct your mischaracterizations; it’s like trying to discuss something with a leftie.

Hope and change, in a free world, are the private possessions of motivated individuals.

pp: You have failed to give the very best reason to oppose Obama: Michelle Obama.  Even if you missed Barack’s obvious racism, you just can’t ignore Michelle’s.  She’s your best bet to foist McCain on us, IMO.

Hope and change, in a free world, are the private possessions of motivated individuals.

Very good point, robert108:  Hard to imagine a more desructive, racist First Lady role model than Madame Michelle.

And, in my humble opinion, she is the one of that pair who actually has a spine.  Look for her to call the shots from behind the scenes.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

“Glory is not a conceit. It is not a decoration for valor. Glory belongs to the act of being constant to something greater than yourself, to a cause, to your principles, to the people on whom you rely, and who rely on you in return.”
Senator John McCain, Faith of Our fathers

Goon does not think he will be good for this nation but it might be what we need to get on the right track.

What galls me on this is that you and others are willing to gamble on the future of the nation on the remote chance that it might be beneficial for the long run.  If anything, history shows (look at Europe & Canada) that once a nation becomes socialistic it stays socialistic because welfare programs once implemented are virtually impossible to reverse because they develop so many vested interests.

You don’t have to be a moron to be a liberal Democrat but it sure helps.

And, in my humble opinion, she is the one of that pair who actually has a spine.  Look for her to call the shots from behind the scenes.

So Obama would be Reaganesque?

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

If anything, history shows (look at Europe & Canada) that once a nation becomes socialistic it stays socialistic because welfare programs once implemented are virtually impossible to reverse because they develop so many vested interests.

Wasn’t one feature of that transition the fact that the “conservative” faction accepted the premises of the left.

Sound familiar?

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

So Obama would be Reaganesque?

Close! Carteresque!

Trolls. It’s what’s for breakfast!
And then I eat their lunch.

Sound familiar?

Nope.  Europe went socialist because people like hand-outs and leaders like Barack Obama were more than willing to offer them.

Maybe that explains why Obama is the darling of the European press and John McCain is not.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

“Glory is not a conceit. It is not a decoration for valor. Glory belongs to the act of being constant to something greater than yourself, to a cause, to your principles, to the people on whom you rely, and who rely on you in return.”
Senator John McCain, Faith of Our fathers

robert108 - Once again, I asked you for a positive reason to vote for McCain; I’m still waiting.

McCain gets the war. He understands that it has to be fought.

The Democrat candidate, on the other hand, wants to practice appeasement and surrender.

You may not believe that McCain will stand up to the Democrat Congress when they try to withdraw the funding for Iraq, but ask yourself this: who would you rather have as CiC when and if the shit hits the fan?

McCain would endorse fighting to protect America.

Barack Obama would bend over to take it in the ass.

It’s a night and day difference, and it is the seminal issue facing us in this election. There’s a war going on! Only one candidate knows this, and that candidate is John McCain.

He will begrudgingly get my vote.

McCain would endorse fighting to protect America.

He will give it lip service, but won’t fight the Dems when they start gutting the military.  In reality, the only difference between McCain and Obama is about 6 months or so.  Obama will appease the Islamics immediately, and McCain will bluster and foam, then do the same thing by going along with the Dems, like he usually does.

Hope and change, in a free world, are the private possessions of motivated individuals.

That’s total BS!

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

“Glory is not a conceit. It is not a decoration for valor. Glory belongs to the act of being constant to something greater than yourself, to a cause, to your principles, to the people on whom you rely, and who rely on you in return.”
Senator John McCain, Faith of Our fathers

Europe went socialist because people like hand-outs and leaders like Barack Obama were more than willing to offer them.

Wrong.  Europe went from monarchism to socialism without ever going for our type of system.  It’s the fundamental difference between Americans and Euroweenies.  Compared to their former status as peasants under a Monarch, the euros think they are doing very well under socialism; we know better.
Big difference. It’s not the system, it’s the people.

Hope and change, in a free world, are the private possessions of motivated individuals.

It’s not the system, it’s the people

Which is exactly why your monarchy-to-socialism analysis doesn’t fly.  People like handouts! 

Look at our own history.  A slow, steady creep to entitlement socialism.  No king here.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

“Glory is not a conceit. It is not a decoration for valor. Glory belongs to the act of being constant to something greater than yourself, to a cause, to your principles, to the people on whom you rely, and who rely on you in return.”
Senator John McCain, Faith of Our fathers

That’s total BS!

Not if you take McCain at his word: he has already promised to “cross the aisle” and to “hire Democrats in my administration”.  You do the math.
Like I said, he may talk tough on the war, but when it comes to fighting the Dems for funding, he will go along to get along. It’s in his history.

Hope and change, in a free world, are the private possessions of motivated individuals.

All presidents cross the aisle.  Show me one who hasn’t.

McCain has already fought the dems repeatedly on war spending right in the well of the Senate.  He will continue to do so.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

“Glory is not a conceit. It is not a decoration for valor. Glory belongs to the act of being constant to something greater than yourself, to a cause, to your principles, to the people on whom you rely, and who rely on you in return.”
Senator John McCain, Faith of Our fathers

I’d like them to get something in exchange for crossing the aisle. It should be worth more than we give up.

I doubt McCain will do that.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

All presidents cross the aisle. Show me one who hasn’t.

Nice try at distraction, but beside the point, and misleading.  He has historically stabbed Republicans in the back, in order to build his reputation as a “maverick”, and you know it.  Right now, he’s running by appealing to Dems and “independents”.  He’s betraying his own Party.

Hope and change, in a free world, are the private possessions of motivated individuals.

Robert108: 

He has already promised to “cross the aisle"…

If it’s a distraction, it’s a distraction you made up.

So, show me a president who hasn’t.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

“Glory is not a conceit. It is not a decoration for valor. Glory belongs to the act of being constant to something greater than yourself, to a cause, to your principles, to the people on whom you rely, and who rely on you in return.”
Senator John McCain, Faith of Our fathers

What galls me on this is that you and others are willing to gamble on the future of the nation on the remote chance that it might be beneficial for the long run.  If anything, history shows (look at Europe & Canada) that once a nation becomes socialistic it stays socialistic because welfare programs once implemented are virtually impossible to reverse because they develop so many vested interests.

I don’t see any other way for conservatives to gain their mojo back, is to have the left run the country into the ground. The dems are already in charge of both houses and what have they done, blame republican more specifically Bush for the countries problems.

Check out:
Goon’s North Dakota Red Neck
Goon’s World

I don’t see any other way for conservatives to gain their mojo back

I don’t agree. What it will take is a leader to emerge.  I don’t think we have to go down a craphole to get one, at least we shouldn’t.

But sure as shit, McCain’s not that leader.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.