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Thursday, January 10, 2008

A Spot Check of Global Warming

John Tierney

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Last week I asked if there were any good weather omens to look for. I raised a question originally posed by Roger A. Pielke Jr., a professor of environmental studies at the University of Colorado: Are there any indicators in the next 1, 5 or 10 years that would be inconsistent with the consensus view on climate change?

Lab readers contributed some ideas (and much invective), but I think the most useful one came from a climate scientist who wrote directly to Dr. Pielke and suggested comparing what has happened since 2000 with the predictions made by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. Dr. Pielke took up the suggestion and looked at the increase in global average temperature projected by the IPCC from 2000 to 2007. (The IPCC projected various scenarios, depending on the rate of greenhouse emissions; Dr. Pielke chose the scenario that most closely matches the actual emissions since 2000.)

The hard part was figuring out what has actually happened the past seven years, because it all depends on who’s doing the measuring, and whether it’s being done on the surface or by satellite. As you can see from the blue line in the graph above, the recent surface measurements by NASA (the blue line) are warmer than those by the United Kingdom Met Office (the green line), and there are different satellite measurements from Remote Sensing Systems and the University of Alabama in Huntsville.

Dr. Pielke calls it “a feast for cherrypickers.” In the Prometheus blog, where you can read the details of his computations, he writes: “One can arrive at whatever conclusion one wants with respect to the IPCC predictions. Want the temperature record to be consistent with IPCC? OK, then you like NASA. How about inconsistent? Well, then you are a fan of RSS. On the fence? Well, UAH and UKMET serve that purpose pretty well.”

No matter which line you prefer on the graph, you can’t draw any firm conclusions about the IPCC’s projections — a few years does not a trend make, and the global temperature is just one of the indicators to look at. But the different lines on the graph are certainly evidence of how complicated the climate debate is. If scientists can’t even agree on what has happened in the past, imagine how much more difficult it is to figure out the future. I’m not suggesting that the global warming isn’t real, or that the uncertainties justify inaction — we take out insurance all the time against risks that are uncertain. I’d like to see a carbon tax. But I’d also like to see fewer dogmatists claiming that the scientific debate is over.

Dr. Pielke suggests that more scientists do reality checks on other predictions by the IPCC, and that the IPCC make it easier for its predictions to be tested by specifying in detail what the variables are, who is measuring them, and what to look for in the future. “If weather forecasters, stock brokers, and gamblers can do it, then you can too,” he urges the IPCC in his blog post. Dr. Pielke told me that scientists have been focusing on the predictions for the summer ice melt in the Arctic — which called for less dramatic change than what has actually occurred — but not paying enough attention to other indicators.

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What I find most curious is this: If we can’t be sure what the real temp is now, how can we rely on temp data from 50-100 years ago to tell us anything at all about how global temp has fluctuated(or not)?

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The short answer is the Sun affects global mean temperature, and in practice introduces an 11-year cycle into what might otherwise be a smooth trend.  Thus, you need to use at least a 20-year average to track the trend associated with long-term temperature changes.  Often people use 30 years.

Beyond that, all Piekle (who’s figure is used by Tierny) is doing (after processing the data to remove the much larger seasonal variations in global mean temperature) is testing the inference “is it warmer now than it was the two decades before”?

Anyway, here’s the figure teirneygraphicnew533.jpg

Carrick on January 11, 2008 at 07:42 am

The inconsistencies, and inability to reconcile them, will be used by the environazi crowd to demand action NOW, not for further study. Carrick and Toot have both posted some excellent comparative data on just this point, highlighting the disconnect between ground and satellite data. I have been trying to get historical meteorological information from Royal Navy stations, having a hard time of it. Though the Royal Naval Museum has pointed me towards a couple of sources that are looking better, though still a long, hard slog.


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2Hotel9 on January 11, 2008 at 07:47 am

See! There he is. I was hoping you would hit this one early on.


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2Hotel9 on January 11, 2008 at 07:49 am

Carrick: How did we get temp info 50-100 years ago, and is it anywhere near the truth?


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robert108 on January 11, 2008 at 05:29 pm

Some parts of the world have had thermometers well before that.  We’ve had different temperature devices since then, and while there are problems between them, I would say that we’re pretty sure that the Earth has been warming since about 1750… The period under real debate, 1970-current, is much better instrumented (though as I have pointed out, it’s not perfect).

Carrick on January 11, 2008 at 05:58 pm

Carrick: I guess I wasn’t clear; what I meant to ask was: How reliable is older temp info, in light of how much contention there is today with our vastly superior ways of measuring it?


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robert108 on January 11, 2008 at 06:53 pm

A common method was to mount a thermometer on a post beside a nice, pretty blacktop parking lot. Or on a nice, flat, black building roof. Or on a ledge over the entrance to a maintenance garage. Or inside a nice, dark box in direct sunlight. Or,,,you get the picture.

I am trying to get the recordings made at Royal Navy Bases from around the world, they having kept the longest continuous records from the largest variety of regions, and at sea. It is proving rather problematic.


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2Hotel9 on January 12, 2008 at 05:54 am

It is proving rather problematic.
2Hotel9 on January 12, 2008 at 05:54 am

Are those bastards withholding info from you?
It must be an environazi conspiracy.

ellinas on January 12, 2008 at 08:24 am

The “good ones” involved a thermometer inside a box that had been whitewashed.  Interestingly enough, when you substitute latex paint for the whitewash (after it had been invented), you get a temperature jump.  The latex absorbs more infrared, and so heats the box more.

R108, tough to answer exactly, because reliability is a problem even today. Differences in measurement equipment, differences in measurement methods, sometimes sparse coverage, others placed in urban areas all present challenges to accurate data measurement..  Since we know how the technologies changes (this information is recorded for almost all stations that get used), we can adjust for systematic differences between stations and over time between different methods.  If I had to hazard a guess, the overall reliability is about 0.1°C for the current technologies and methods for averaging surface temperature data.  That seat-of-the-pants number agrees pretty well with the more carefully obtained numbers from GISS:

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Whatever the problems with the data, they have enough fidelity that we can spot volcanic eruptions with them (Pinatuba erupted in 1991, Mt. St Helens in 1981).  That gives us confidence that we’re at least reliably tracking the temperature trends.

Besides that, there’s plenty of evidence that the Earth as a whole has been warming since around 1750.  Chief among these is changes in agricultural zones since then, as well as changes in snow coverage, etc.

Carrick on January 12, 2008 at 08:49 am

Carrick: Thanks for your thorough answer.  I’m wondering how accurately the old global temp measuring methods detected say, the eruption of Mount Lassen in 1911, and other volcanos farther back in time.  I know that is fairly general, rather than specific, information.  It would make sense that we are still warming up after the Little Ice Age, but with the claims of human-caused global warming being used to attempt total world control of our lives, more specific information is very necessary, and I don’t see that it’s available.  I may be wrong.


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robert108 on January 12, 2008 at 09:25 am

Robert108, the key issue here is the claim made by the scientists (not the fanatics) is that a portion of the global warming since 1980 (as little as 1/3 or as much as 100%) is associated with anthropogenic forcings.

Scientifically, the issue is “has the Earth warmed significantly in the past two decades in response to human activity?” If so, given that our global CO2 production for example continues to rise, this indicates problems for the future, if the effect of this excess CO2 is not addressed, regardless of what happened prior to e.g. 1980.

The whole “the Earth is the warmest it has been in human history” mantra is really unnecessary and I believe intended to be alarmist.  Regardless of whether it’s truly the warmest, if we are modifying our climate, we’ve got an issue that needs addressing.

Carrick on January 12, 2008 at 11:34 am

It seems to me that IF the amount that we are changing the environment, but within the natural variation then it’s not a necessarily bad thing.

For example IF we were to warm the Earth up to the temperature in biblical times it’s not that bad. 

We’d have to balance the consequences of the fix with the consequences of no fix.


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on January 12, 2008 at 11:48 am

Whistler:

It seems to me that IF the amount that we are changing the environment, but within the natural variation then it’s not a necessarily bad thing.

The point is that the current changes may be within natural limits (though the “raw” data say otherwise).  However, double the CO2 in the atmosphere, and you may be in a new ball park.

However, this change we may be inducing could be desirable.  I don’t have any problems with us changing our climate to suit us better (who said the current one is ideal for anything?)

I think we need to get better monitoring of the Earth’s environment and our effects on it, as well as improved models of climate, so we can anticipate the outcome of a given change.  That would allow us to adjust our Earth to maximize crop output and minimize disease (more diseases are associated with cold weather than warm).

Carrick on January 12, 2008 at 01:20 pm

I think we need to get better monitoring of the Earth’s environment and our effects on it, as well as improved models of climate, so we can anticipate the outcome of a given change.

AND less hysterical politics.


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on January 12, 2008 at 03:01 pm

Are those bastards withholding info from you?
It must be an environazi conspiracy.
ellinas on January 12, 2008 at 09:24 am

No, I think it has much more to do with whiny, pathetic bitches like you, tired old women who have hate filled, pathetic little excuses for lives, thoroughly incapable of doing a man’s job, no matter how easy or simple.


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2Hotel9 on January 12, 2008 at 03:24 pm

Heh heh heh! Hah hah hah!!!!

ellinas on January 13, 2008 at 08:46 am

Glad to see you agree.


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2Hotel9 on January 13, 2008 at 08:51 am
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