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Wednesday, May 28, 2008

A Democratic year?

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For all you defeatists out there, here’s another opinion:

letter to the editor
I have been following politics for a while. Since 1952. I have never seen the conventional wisdom about an election more baseless.

Why Obama? Charisma, ideas, hope? None of these or any other reasons that have been bandied about. It’s Obama because he is not Hillary.

The Clintons embarrassed the Democratic Party. Many, many Democrats were ashamed of their President. They do not want to see Billary in the White House ever again, even as visitors. Note that Obama won in the caucus states where the politically active determine the outcome.

A Democratic year? How do you figure? Because the New York Times says so? Look at 2006! Yes, let’s look at it. In the preceding 6 midterm elections where the incumbent President’s party lost seats the average loss in the Senate was 6.1, in the House 29.33. In 2006 the Republicans lost 7 in the Senate and 30 in the House. Pretty ho-hum.

Let’s look at the Democratic Presidents.

JFK and Nixon tied in the popular vote, even though Nixon was extremely unlikeable.

LBJ beat Goldwater in 1964. Kennedy had been assassinated, we were in the middle of a war and Goldwater was a radical.

Carter beat Ford in 1980. Nixon had resigned because of Watergate and Ford was an appointed Vice President.

Clinton beat GHWB in 1992 with only 37% of the vote. Ross Perot got 19% which, arguably, was 60-70% Republicans.

[...]

In our history we have seen stretches where one party controlled Congress that average about 30 years with occasional one-term reversals. I’ll go with history every time.

From where I’m sitting it doesn’t look at all like a Democratic year.

Regards,

Roy Lofquist

There are at least two sides to every story.

Comments

Avatar for andydakota

R108, this guy’s letter does not support your contention that the Rs will win Congress back. 

The fact remains and is apparently lost on you that the Republican party lost 7 Senate seats and 30 House seats in 2006.  It has now lost three congressional seats in strong republican districts in the last couple of months after pouring a lot of money into those races and after Bush/Cheney campaigned for the R candidates.

The Republicans are having difficulty raising money, finding top tier candidates to run.  There are few to no democratic House members on the endangered list but there are quite a few Republican House members.  There are open seats that the Dems are likely to pick up and they have top tier candidates running in both the House and Senate.

The Rs are going to be forced to spend money they don’t have in many races they can ill afford to spend money. 

You and your friend quoted above simply haven’t done the research that you should do.  You don’t have quality candidates, you don’t have money, and you don’t have the ability to defend the seats you have to much less try to pick up any seats.

Please tell me in what congressional district that the Republicans have a prayer in picking up a seat.

andydakota on May 29, 2008 at 06:20 am

My one hope left is that Robert108 is right and we get a brokered convention and Fred ‘the conservative’ cream’ Thompson can pull it out at the last roundup!

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realitybasedbob on May 29, 2008 at 06:42 am

R108, this guy’s letter does not support your contention that the Rs will win Congress back.

Not “my contention”: the only hope to rescue America from becoming your socialist hellhole, dude.


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robert108 on May 29, 2008 at 09:30 am
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R108, again you have not provided one whit of evidence that the Rs are in any position to regain the House or the Senate. 

And on top of that using Obama’s call for “hope” is just too funny.

andydakota on May 29, 2008 at 10:22 am

R108, again you have not provided one whit of evidence that the Rs are in any position to regain the House or the Senate.

There’s no “evidence” either way, until the election actually takes place.  With all the speculation going only one way, it’s good to hear the other side of the story.  Sorry it’s so threatening to you.


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robert108 on May 29, 2008 at 10:33 am

What part of this

For all you defeatists out there, here’s another opinion:

didn’t you understand?


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robert108 on May 29, 2008 at 10:34 am
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What other side of the story? that the Republicans lost seats and that this loss of seats was a normal loss of seats.  How does this article bring you closer to regaining Congress or even tell the other side of the story.  You called out “defeatists” and I argue that you were defeated.  What part of this don’t you understand?

andydakota on May 29, 2008 at 07:20 pm

all the info in that letter was picked up off the Limbaugh show today. I heard it all!


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pparets on May 29, 2008 at 07:25 pm

pp: Yes; he attributed it to a “letter to the editor"(like I did) on The American Thinker.

andy: We were defeated last time, but this time is still up in the air.  Duh.  You guys were soundly trounced in ‘94.  So what?


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robert108 on May 29, 2008 at 08:40 pm

pp: If you check the time, and account for the difference in time zones, you will see I posted this about eleven hours before Rush’s show started.  I know you’re desperate and clutching at straws, but this is ridiculous.


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robert108 on May 29, 2008 at 08:50 pm
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This time is still up in the air?  Under what scenario? 
The problem R108, is that the article doesn’t give any reasonable explanation as to why 2008 won’t bring continued losses to the Republicorp party.  I have provided information to show the probability that these losses will continue. Duh!

andydakota on May 30, 2008 at 07:47 pm

This time is still up in the air? Under what scenario?

The election is over five months away, and the election results aren’t known yet.  Duh.


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robert108 on May 30, 2008 at 08:25 pm

andy: I don’t buy your partisan guessing game.  You lefties try to win by propaganda, but the ugly facts about who Obama really is are coming out on a daily basis, and many disaffected Republicans and conservatives can’t stomach McCain either, so we have five months to mobilize for a Congress that will neutralize whichever leftie wins the Presidency.
Hell, I know plenty of Dems who don’t like either Obama or Hillary, and also think they are bad for America.  Despite the steady rain of MSM propaganda, most Americans like their individual independence, and see that both candidates want to take that away.  Our only hope is a Congress that will support the founding principles of America.


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robert108 on May 30, 2008 at 08:47 pm
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Fine, R108, your only hope is congress.  But you have yet to cite any information that indicates that there is any reasonable chance that the Republicorps can retake Congress.  They have been outraised by the Democrats, the Rs have more seats to defend, they couldn’t get top tier candidates to run, the president’s ratings are at an all time low and the republicorps won’t be seen with him in public.

Those “disaffected” republicorps won’t vote for McCain and won’t also try to get Congress.  Not even the Republicorps in congress think they can retake congress.

Just which democratically held seats do you think can be retaken?  How will that be accomplished?  And please don’t cite “by acting like conservatives” because the republicorps gave up on that a long time age, and no one recognizes a conservative any more.

andydakota on May 31, 2008 at 12:42 am

If conservatives don’t come out to vote for McCain, the Republican downballot is going to suffer that much more.

Yet one more reason not to hold out on McCain.

Ken McCracken on May 31, 2008 at 12:47 am

andydakota - “Republicorps”?

Is that supposed to be clever?

*yawn* How dopey.

Meanwhile...

likwidshoe on May 31, 2008 at 02:08 am

And please don’t cite “by acting like
conservatives” because the republicorps gave up on that a long time age,and no one recognizes a conservative any more.

That’s where you’re wrong, leftie.


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robert108 on May 31, 2008 at 04:21 am
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Please cite for me anything that indicates that the current crop of republicorps will change anything that they have done over the past 8 years.  Please cite for me anything that indicates that the republicorps have learned any lessons from the past 8 years of spend spend spend and charge, charge charge. 

Anything?  Anything?

andydakota on May 31, 2008 at 07:11 am

andyd, the gop has saved us lots money on mine and bridge inspections, and just think of the savings the gop has made by not taking care of the returning troops and the military hospitals. the gop is trying to save money in the meat inspection industry too. Gotta hand it to them on how they saved tax payers money by not building new schools and re distributing Chinese loans to no bid Halliburton contracts.


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realitybasedbob on May 31, 2008 at 07:54 am
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the gop has saved us lots money on mine and bridge inspections,

Like the bridge in Minnesota? Please, by name, oh dropper of bullshit allegationsgive us the Republicans who did such things?
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Proof on May 31, 2008 at 08:32 am

andy: Show me that the Dems have ever learned one thing from their disastrous, tax, regulate and spend war against business in this country.  Obama and Pelosi both vow new taxes and regulations, which are bound to increase outsourcing.  It’s really funny when a tax-crazed leftie criticizes govt spending.


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robert108 on May 31, 2008 at 09:35 am

BTW, I’m glad to see how the theme of this thread: presenting another side to the prevailing doom and gloom, has roused the resident leftie loons to a fever pitch of denial.  Struck a nerve!


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robert108 on May 31, 2008 at 09:37 am
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