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Popular culture?
Sex has always been popular.

In my youth at the Mountepuppi school

In my youth at the Mountepuppi school

LOL, I’d say more like disobedience school

Sex has always been popular.

In my youth at the Mountepuppi school

The difference is that we’re talking about girls here.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

Oh, the Dykasorri schools.

At least one in four teenage girls nationwide has a sexually transmitted disease, or more than 3 million teens, according to the first study of its kind in this age group.

Think the popular culture might have anything to do with this?

Not as much as unprotected sex.

President Clinton told them that oral sex “isn’t sex”, and it’s really no big deal; “It’s just sex.” Any responsibility there?

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Not as much as unprotected sex.

H,

Was protected sex what kept our grandparent’s generation from getting STD’s?

Didn’t think so.  Pop culture has glorified teen sex and the left has fought hard to remove the moral and social safeguards that served previous generations well.  According to pop culture the only thing worse than an STD is virginity.

Was protected sex what kept our grandparent’s generation from getting STD’s?

HG,

It wasn’t the sex that was protected.  It was the respect, the relationship, and the reputations that were really being protected.  Sadly, we’ve come a long way, baby.

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Bat One,

Sad is right. Just as sad is the notion on the left that this is progress.  That ought to demonstrate to everyone just how backwards liberalism is.  I tell you liberalism is soul-less.

Proverbs 11:22 As a jewel of gold in a swine’s snout, so is a fair woman which is without discretion.

Poor Britney.  Whatever appeal and value her beauty afforded her has been completely soiled and lost.

It wasn’t the sex that used to be protected; it was the children.  Our “education” system now sexualizes them at an early age, with predictable results.

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Poor Britney.  Whatever appeal and value her beauty afforded her has been completely soiled and lost.

Shrug. Maybe.

But sometimes when people hit rock bottom, they find a new self worth that makes them more valuable than before. There’s something damn attractive about overcoming personal demons and becoming a better person. One who overcomes is always brighter than one who has everything given to them.

For the first time in my adult life, I am ashamed of my country.

It wasn’t the sex that used to be protected; it was the children.  Our “education” system now sexualizes them at an early age, with predictable results.

I love feigned and misguided moral outrage!

STD’s up, teen pregnancy down.  What’s your point Todd?

I was wondering if anyone could make the connection of the destruction of the old moral order and the steep rise in the STD infection rate.  That rate has risen sharply since the 1960’s and now, as you can see by the reports, the incidence of serious venereal diseases in the young is widespread.

If I recall correctly, the Bible made reference to widespread wickedness and the that this was the basis of God’s decision to wipe the Sons and Daughters of Man from the face of the Earth.  Whether you believe in God or the Bible, it might well have given rise to a stricter moral code after the fabled flood.

That code had the salutory effect of limiting the spread of venereal disease and minimizing the possibilities of out-of-wedlock births and the problems that accompany single parent families (particularly in lower income groups)

I also seem to recall that pre-Elizabethan England was quite randy and it too had an illegitimacy and venereal disease problem, and the rebirth of social morays did much to minimize those social ills.

According to some, safe sex is really a lie.  They assert that condoms are no real defense against HIV, HPV and Herpes, but the use of condoms does serve as a sop, allowing sexual freedom to continue as opposed to simply getting to know your sweetheart through a long, monogamous courtship and then staying true to her.  Better yet, saving yourself for marriage.

Those choices are like a crucifix to Leftist Vampires, who have long followed the adages of if it feels good, do it, and tune in, turn on, drop out.

Even a cursory look at the popular culture, by which I mean music and film, will show the message they are sending in the form of IKON molesting a girl onstage and the endless crotch-shots of the pretty celebusluts who now serve as role models for Americas’ daughters.  All this seems to run athwart the responsible teachings of parents, who want to encourage—if not chastity—then at least moderation in their kids’ activities.

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Whether you believe in God or the Bible, it might well have given rise to a stricter moral code after the fabled flood.

What other reason would there be for STDs except as punishment for illicit sex?

You don’t have to be a moron to be a liberal Democrat but it sure helps.

According to some, safe sex is really a lie.

Actually, the best source for “safe sex is a lie” is a National Institutes of Health study that found that condoms protect users from acquiring only one STD, AIDS. 

There are 27 other STDs, folks.  The SIECUS/ Planned Parenthood claim that condoms prevent STD infection--the claim that’s taught to most high school girls in sex ed class--is a flat out lie.

Yes, that has something to do with this.

Another perspective; you will generally have difficulty obtaining an STD from a virgin for obvious reasons.  I would have to suggest that most of the seducers of these girls are adult males.  There is a reason for statutory rape laws.

todd - I love feigned and misguided moral outrage!

Obviously. After all, it is what you practice.

I would have to suggest that most of the seducers of these girls are adult males. 

Well this 1/4 of females is probably fairly promiscuous with their own age group as well.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

Todd’s selective immoral outrage might be humorous if it wasn’t so prevalent among so many on the left.  They just despise anything virtuous when it comes to sex education.  The seem hell bent on making sure we all behave like barnyard animals regardless of the consequences.

Whistler is correct.  I recall my high school days and a number of permiscuous girls, though they were much fewer in number then.  So few in fact that one was easily singled out in the freshman class yell at our rallys:

“1-9-9-0, we’re the class that has the ho, Nichole (stomp, stomp) Nichole.”

promiscuous, I know.

Kenny,

Let’s hope so, for Britney’s sake, and all those teens who still look down to her.

Whistler, the trick is that the STD infection rate for sexually active teen girls--40%--is about the same as the CDC or NIH found in 1999 for sexually active adults.

Now think about it; virtually all people start their sex lives WITHOUT an STD infection.  How is it that what should have been a pure stream is so quickly fouled? 

The answer is that teen sex isn’t, by and large, two star-struck kids letting nature take its course after the movie or school dance.  It’s about older men taking advantage of what I heard described as “fresh meat.”

Pretty good argument for statutory rape laws, no?

Statutory rape laws don’t seem to be working. 

I’m not saying that this isn’t part of the problem.  I am saying once it gets into the high school population it’s likely to spread around without adult activity.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

Yes, but you’ve got to have a certain portion of adults in there--even with a scary high rate of promiscuity in high school.

And statutory rape laws not working?  Well, they’re not being applied, but saying that they don’t work when you don’t use them is like saying that your car won’t start when your keys never leave your pocket, don’t you think?

Again, this CDC study says a lot more than just “high rate of infection.” It tells us about a high rate of statutory rape, and that condoms and comprehensive sex ed aren’t stopping most STDs--especially when you contrast a skyrocketing STD infection rate with a declining pregnancy rate.

BB:  I think there will be plenty of instances where the crime is not reported.

And I don’t see a big deal for a 19 year old freshman continuing dating his 17 year old high school (senior) girlfriend.  It certainly doesn’t deserve a prison term.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

If it were only just the 17-19 differentials that weren’t being prosecuted, Whistler.  I think it would do a world of good if, for example, the 15-20 differentials were being prosecuted.  Solve the whole problem?  No.  But it would sure help if, say, doctors (including those at abortion clinics) would report likely statutory rape to authorities.

That’s a good point.  I understand that the doctors must report sexual abuse when they treat children.  Same difference.

Still we need to fix the statutory rape laws before we get too serious about it.  But I’m not sure where the line should be drawn.  I suppose there ought to be an age band where it’s ok if the age difference is only so many months apart.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

If there is one thing we love about children, it is their curiosity. I don’t believe in keeping children ignorant about sex. I think that parents don’t know how to talk to children about sex without seeming to encourage having sex. Everyone craves sex. It is a natural human drive. It is going to happen whether you encourage it or not. The thing is to prepare your children for sex. Tell them about the joys and the pitfalls of sex. Encourage them to use condoms, even if it means alienating your love interest. But don’t leave them dumb and ignorant. And if you don’t know how to talk to your child about sex, find someone who does, someone you trust. I am really ticked off about the whole sexual situation in this country. There are lines put in TV dialog just to tittillate the audience. Every other show has someone talking about sleeping with someone else, followed by a laugh track. The liberal “You can have it all!” message has been picked up by women and they are running headlong with it. No dad? No Job? No sweat! We can have a program for you!
The thing that is really sad is that something that is so beautiful and wonderful is now so dangerous.

The thing that is really sad is that something that is so beautiful and wonderful is now so dangerous.

it’s called reality.  Sex is dangerous for children, so protecting them until they are old enough and knowledgeable enough to handle it properly is our responsibility to our children.  You just gave the example of the type of thinking that has produced the problem described in the lead article of this thread.

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Sex is always dangerous, even if the girl isn’t ovulating and neither partner has an STD.  Take a look at Dr. Miriam Grossman’s book on the subject.

And although condoms do little to stop 27 of 28 STDs (NIH study), they can have a strong effect in reducing promiscuity by killing a mood before nature takes its course. 

(another lie of the SIECUS crowd; that wearing a condom doesn’t adversely effect the experience....)

Really, why can’t SIECUS agree to teach little facts like these about sex--that it’s always dangerous, and unless you’re homosexual or sleeping with a whore or IV drug user, condoms don’t do you much good?

And although condoms do little to stop 27 of 28 STDs (NIH study), they can have a strong effect in reducing promiscuity by killing a mood before nature takes its course.

Is in direct contradiction of the very following statement:

(another lie of the SIECUS crowd; that wearing a condom doesn’t adversely effect the experience....)

Oh wait, maybe not.

Correct.  Condoms are not 100% effective against STDs, HIV, AIDS virus nor are they protection from sin, nor even conception.  Yes, Clinton said it was OK> just a private matter, etc.

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It’s not a direct contradiction, but probably in part.  Well done, Lik. To clarify:

The NIH study found that for 9 of 10 STDs tested, condoms appeared to prevent the transmission of only one, AIDS.  The other 18 were not even tested because it was known a priori that the means of transmission were not covered using a condom.

On the other hand, if bringing a condom out has a x% chance of killing the mood that would lead to sex, then it’s theoretically reduced the chance of STD transmission by x%.

On the other hand, if bringing a condom out has a x% chance of killing the mood that would lead to sex, then it’s theoretically reduced the chance of
STD transmission by x%.

That would be true if penetration was the only way of transmitting STDs, but it’s not.  In fact, it’s highly probable that the “mood-killing” effect of whipping out the condom might simply result in more non-penetrative sex, which might even increase the infection rate of certain STDs.

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Where are you guys getting your information? Condoms have been proven to prevent gonorrhea, syphylis, chlamydia and AIDS if used properly. And I mean rolled up to the balls properly. They will not protect you if you have lesions or unprotected oral sex or even kissing an infected person.

Let’s face it. You conservatives are afraid of only one thing in this life: SEX. You want to keep your kids fat, dumb and ignorant until it is too late.

ChiefRZ,
Ignorance is evil.

Wouldn’t telling the kids that they are “safe” if the use a condom be keeping them dumb and ignorant?

The better method would be to teach them what’s right, explain the dangers and give them an honest assessment of a condom’s effectiveness.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

You want to keep your kids fat, dumb and ignorant until it is too late.

Well, we would like to keep them nonpregnant and uninfected...Sorry you lefties disapprove of that.

I guess, by your standards, then, being infected with STDs is “slim, smart and knowledgeable”?

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I can’t say that I speak for all Conservatives but I do think it is important that we protect our children from engaging in sex as the popular media is encouraging them to do at the soonest opportunity, or even homosexual acts, which even our schools are pushing, before they can make an adult decision to do so.

The effects of the popular medias’ message that sex is fun, easy and has no downside is clear to see with a quarter of a generation of young women permanently infected with venereal diseases, some of which can be fatal, before they leave their teens, and a half before they leave their 20’s. 

That’s a huge proportion of diseased women.  I will assume that there will be a similar high proportion of young men infected as well.

Clearly, the Leftist concepts of immorality is causing a vast amount of damage to our young.  The morals were there for a purpose.

Certainly we want our children to grow up, find love, get married and start their own families.  That is the proper framework for engaging in sex. 

That framework is greatly hampered when you are say, 19 years of age and now have a permanent venereal disease which can result in death by cervical cancer.  How does that effect the infected persons’ self-worth, something Leftists constantly whine about—yet seem incredibly silent on this issue?

Hearing from a doctor that you’ve got something that you can’t get rid of and can possibly kill you or can kill any woman that you will be with can and will certainly put the zap on your brain.

Or you can be like some of the others I have come to know of… they are contagious and yet vigorously pursue a social life at bars and not let their victims know that they are Typhoid Mary.  There are plenty people like that trolling the bars, and some of them have HIV/AIDs.

Thus, the morality of waiting to know your loved one, matched perhaps with an exchange of lab results, would be about the best thing we could do to check the continuing spread of these diseases.

That’s just common sense.

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Well, if it’s been proven, then maybe you can provide a link to a study that says so.  The NIH did a peer reviewed, controlled study that says “no, they don’t”.

I don’t want to see links to various sex educators opining on how a barrier “ought to” reduce STD transmission.  I’ve seen plenty of those.  I want to see how it works out in practice.

Again, the NIH has done this, and it turns out that the story you’ve been told appears to be a lie.

I guess I must be some sort of a weirdo, but I don’t think kids should be fucking.

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watashiwa has missed the points of the conversation. Anyone have the patience of informing him? Is it even worth it?