Someone once said “If the United States was really fighting a War on Drugs, cruise missiles would be hitting Mexico on a daily basis.”
Outmigrated NoDaker - 07:07am on 07/18/2006
These are ciminals and for the most part are not attacking US Citizens during their crimes. They are simply violating the law.
While Mexico may occasionally have some corruption that allows these folks to operate within some legitimate government agency, the entire agency is not responsible for their behavior.
Hamas and Hezbollah are not drug smugglers or coyotes. They are military and terrorist groups that have a stated goal and objective of the destruction of Israel. As opposed to criminal drug gangs whose only goal is to break the laws of both Mexico and the United States.
This is like comparing Apples and Cadillacs. Not even the same universe.
Justin B - 07:07am on 07/18/2006
-By March 2000, “Border Patrol and Immigration and Naturalization Service agents began to voice what many believed were legitimate concerns abotu ‘armed incursions’ into the United States from Mexico-based assailants; they reported that heavily armed Mexican army units and federal police, called federales, had infiltrated US territory and fired upon them,
Yeah, they’re just a bunch of druggies.... were talking about the official Mexican military, here.
brenarlo - 07:07am on 07/18/2006
Nice post Brenarlo.
The sheer number of ignored violations of our borders is absurd. Once, maybe… After that they’ve worn out any benefit of the doubt they may deserve.
hdw - 09:07am on 07/18/2006
In all fairness, while I see the point Narloch is making, still, we have not had three all out wars plus a running gunfight with Mexico over the past 60 years. Furthermore, the hostilities vis-a-vis Israel have at one time or another involved all of its neighbors...Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, plus Hamas, Hezbollah, Fatah, and assorted other terrorist groups.
If Mexican military or police force personnel cross our southern border and open fire on US Border Patrol personnel, they should be ruthlessly slaughtered in their tracks and the pieces sent back across the border in black plastic bags. Still, the comparison to Israel’s situation is a weak one at best.
Bat One - 09:07am on 07/18/2006
Batman:
Does that include “hot pursuit?”
The Whistler - 10:07am on 07/18/2006
Whistler,
Sure. Why not? Look, this international shit is really no different than street crime found in any American urban or even suburban area. Only the scope and the weaponry are different.
If a man breaks into your house at night are you going to worry about the “proportionality” of your response, or do you take it that his intent is demonstrably hostile since he was not invited and put two rounds in his chest just to be sure?
We do not yet live in some socialist Shangri-la where everything belongs to everyone, and nobody has a mean or jealous bone in their body. Thank God we don’t.
A bullet-riddled jeep with a few decaying bodies on either side of the border, and an official “Gee, imagine that!” from the appropriate authorities, and the number of such incidents would dramatically decrease.
Bat One - 10:07am on 07/18/2006
I imagine that we are going to use helicopter gunships to respond. If that’s the case can we embed a reporter so the whole story gets out?
Otherwise you know we’d be the bad guy.
The Whistler - 10:07am on 07/18/2006
Whistler,
we’ve had more than enough of our secrets splashed across the pages of various newspapers, or trumpeted breathlessly on CNN and CBS. Forget the reporter. They’ll find the bodies soon enough.
Bat One - 11:07am on 07/18/2006
Forget the reporter. They’ll find the bodies soon enough.
I’d like to have the real story out there rather than it spun the usual anti-US way.
Probably unrealistic for border patrols, but it would get the story out fairly.
Someone once said “If the United States was really fighting a War on Drugs, cruise missiles would be hitting Mexico on a daily basis.”
These are ciminals and for the most part are not attacking US Citizens during their crimes. They are simply violating the law.
While Mexico may occasionally have some corruption that allows these folks to operate within some legitimate government agency, the entire agency is not responsible for their behavior.
Hamas and Hezbollah are not drug smugglers or coyotes. They are military and terrorist groups that have a stated goal and objective of the destruction of Israel. As opposed to criminal drug gangs whose only goal is to break the laws of both Mexico and the United States.
This is like comparing Apples and Cadillacs. Not even the same universe.
Yeah, they’re just a bunch of druggies.... were talking about the official Mexican military, here.
Nice post Brenarlo.
The sheer number of ignored violations of our borders is absurd. Once, maybe… After that they’ve worn out any benefit of the doubt they may deserve.
In all fairness, while I see the point Narloch is making, still, we have not had three all out wars plus a running gunfight with Mexico over the past 60 years. Furthermore, the hostilities vis-a-vis Israel have at one time or another involved all of its neighbors...Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, plus Hamas, Hezbollah, Fatah, and assorted other terrorist groups.
If Mexican military or police force personnel cross our southern border and open fire on US Border Patrol personnel, they should be ruthlessly slaughtered in their tracks and the pieces sent back across the border in black plastic bags. Still, the comparison to Israel’s situation is a weak one at best.
Batman:
Does that include “hot pursuit?”
Whistler,
Sure. Why not? Look, this international shit is really no different than street crime found in any American urban or even suburban area. Only the scope and the weaponry are different.
If a man breaks into your house at night are you going to worry about the “proportionality” of your response, or do you take it that his intent is demonstrably hostile since he was not invited and put two rounds in his chest just to be sure?
We do not yet live in some socialist Shangri-la where everything belongs to everyone, and nobody has a mean or jealous bone in their body. Thank God we don’t.
A bullet-riddled jeep with a few decaying bodies on either side of the border, and an official “Gee, imagine that!” from the appropriate authorities, and the number of such incidents would dramatically decrease.
I imagine that we are going to use helicopter gunships to respond. If that’s the case can we embed a reporter so the whole story gets out?
Otherwise you know we’d be the bad guy.
Whistler,
we’ve had more than enough of our secrets splashed across the pages of various newspapers, or trumpeted breathlessly on CNN and CBS. Forget the reporter. They’ll find the bodies soon enough.
I’d like to have the real story out there rather than it spun the usual anti-US way.
Probably unrealistic for border patrols, but it would get the story out fairly.