I cant believe this… my ex wife did something like this several years ago.. she hit herself in the stomache till she had a miscarriage.. she did this while i was at work.. and told me the truth several days later.. i hid it and could not deal with it.. now its coming back to haunt me hard.. and this case is a painfull reminder
of that..
Rob Buffum - 10:05am on 05/24/2006
What I want to know is how a woman can’t be held accountable for killing her fetus while someone else who kills her fetus can. Is an unwanted baby somehow less human?
Melissa - 04:05am on 05/25/2006
Ron-- Thanks for your honesty and your personal involvement with a woman who murdered your child. More stories like this may lead to a reversal of the ROE case which was based on lies.
Melissa-- And another female? If the truth be told, a majority of women in the USA still have the opinion that killing a child is murder. Past time for the states to take back their X amendment rights and address this slaughter of children in America.
Chief RZ - 04:05am on 05/25/2006
If the truth be told, a majority of women in the USA still have the opinion that killing a child is murder.
Nearly 100% of women probably think that killing a child is murder. It’s the unborn fetus, however, that’s at issue in the matter of abortion.
modern instances - 06:05am on 05/25/2006
This woman was in the 9th month of her pregnancy. The only difference between the child she killed and the child she would have given birth to is the fact that it had not emerged from her womb yet.
So “unborn fetus” isn’t exactly an accurate term here. But, if it allows you to justify murder in your mind...whatever gets you through the night I guess.
Rob - 06:05am on 05/25/2006
I think that a majority of the people in this forum were saying that an “unborn fetus” was a human being. No one was trying to justify murder. Murder is murder even if the baby hasn’t been born yet.
Melissa - 06:05am on 05/25/2006
Melissa-- That is exactly what I was implying. I don’t know how much more clear I could be or the majority of women either. Hello, Melissa, another logical person that I will remember.
Chief RZ - 07:05am on 05/25/2006
I’m so excited about this site. I have never been on a site talking about abortion that wasn’t decidedly pro-choice. I think most of the comments made by you guys are really mature and thought-provoking. However some people use pretty strong language. Calling a 15-yr-old girl who was lied to and pressured and and threatened into having an abortion a ‘murderer who should be arrested’ it a little harsh. That kind of attitude is precisely why pro-lifers are classed as bigoted, ignorant and right-wing. If a girl has an abortion, then that’s it. We can’t do anything about it. Women like that are the ones who need our compassion and understanding. Rather than focus on the bad things people have done, let’s try and prevent more happening in the future.
Laura - 05:06am on 06/27/2006
Laura,
thats exactly my thoughts.. you cant change or judge people for what is in the past.. people are not perfect and make decisions that just plain happen.. i think more needs to go towards the supporting of people and compassion.. Im not religous.. but i think that Jesus would not picket abortion clinics.. I dont think he would judge people for that they have done.. but encourage them to do things of greatness and beauty.. ok.. maybe i just got a little heavy there.. like i said im not religious.. i belive in justice compassion and love
Rob
Rob Buffum - 06:06am on 06/27/2006
This woman was in the 9th month of her pregnancy. The only difference between the child she killed and the child she would have given birth to is the fact that it had not emerged from her womb yet.
This fact alone makes this situation more complex. A fetus can survive outside the womb at “about” 27 weeks gestation at the earliest. In MY opinion (and I know that this is going to piss a lot of people off) this is where I personally draw the line. If a fetus CAN survive and breath on its own, and its life is taken, it is clearly murder. The fact that a woman could point a gun and pull the trigger on a fully developed baby is something that I cannot fathom. It seems insaine to me.
The argument about the fetus being a “cluster of cells” in the first trimester, well that is obviously a complex issue and I’m not going to touch that with a 10 foot pole. That can be argued both ways forever. Perhaps clarification of the law is what is needed. I believe that this woman should be convicted of murder. However, this would then create the argument to the fact that if the baby is still in her womnb at 9 months then why wouldn’t an abortion at 8 weeks gestation be considered murder. I can’t answer that question.
I cant believe this… my ex wife did something like this several years ago.. she hit herself in the stomache till she had a miscarriage.. she did this while i was at work.. and told me the truth several days later.. i hid it and could not deal with it.. now its coming back to haunt me hard.. and this case is a painfull reminder
of that..
What I want to know is how a woman can’t be held accountable for killing her fetus while someone else who kills her fetus can. Is an unwanted baby somehow less human?
Ron-- Thanks for your honesty and your personal involvement with a woman who murdered your child. More stories like this may lead to a reversal of the ROE case which was based on lies.
Melissa-- And another female? If the truth be told, a majority of women in the USA still have the opinion that killing a child is murder. Past time for the states to take back their X amendment rights and address this slaughter of children in America.
If the truth be told, a majority of women in the USA still have the opinion that killing a child is murder.
Nearly 100% of women probably think that killing a child is murder. It’s the unborn fetus, however, that’s at issue in the matter of abortion.
This woman was in the 9th month of her pregnancy. The only difference between the child she killed and the child she would have given birth to is the fact that it had not emerged from her womb yet.
So “unborn fetus” isn’t exactly an accurate term here. But, if it allows you to justify murder in your mind...whatever gets you through the night I guess.
I think that a majority of the people in this forum were saying that an “unborn fetus” was a human being. No one was trying to justify murder. Murder is murder even if the baby hasn’t been born yet.
Melissa-- That is exactly what I was implying. I don’t know how much more clear I could be or the majority of women either. Hello, Melissa, another logical person that I will remember.
I’m so excited about this site. I have never been on a site talking about abortion that wasn’t decidedly pro-choice. I think most of the comments made by you guys are really mature and thought-provoking. However some people use pretty strong language. Calling a 15-yr-old girl who was lied to and pressured and and threatened into having an abortion a ‘murderer who should be arrested’ it a little harsh. That kind of attitude is precisely why pro-lifers are classed as bigoted, ignorant and right-wing. If a girl has an abortion, then that’s it. We can’t do anything about it. Women like that are the ones who need our compassion and understanding. Rather than focus on the bad things people have done, let’s try and prevent more happening in the future.
Laura,
thats exactly my thoughts.. you cant change or judge people for what is in the past.. people are not perfect and make decisions that just plain happen.. i think more needs to go towards the supporting of people and compassion.. Im not religous.. but i think that Jesus would not picket abortion clinics.. I dont think he would judge people for that they have done.. but encourage them to do things of greatness and beauty.. ok.. maybe i just got a little heavy there.. like i said im not religious.. i belive in justice compassion and love
Rob
This woman was in the 9th month of her pregnancy. The only difference between the child she killed and the child she would have given birth to is the fact that it had not emerged from her womb yet.
This fact alone makes this situation more complex. A fetus can survive outside the womb at “about” 27 weeks gestation at the earliest. In MY opinion (and I know that this is going to piss a lot of people off) this is where I personally draw the line. If a fetus CAN survive and breath on its own, and its life is taken, it is clearly murder. The fact that a woman could point a gun and pull the trigger on a fully developed baby is something that I cannot fathom. It seems insaine to me.
The argument about the fetus being a “cluster of cells” in the first trimester, well that is obviously a complex issue and I’m not going to touch that with a 10 foot pole. That can be argued both ways forever. Perhaps clarification of the law is what is needed. I believe that this woman should be convicted of murder. However, this would then create the argument to the fact that if the baby is still in her womnb at 9 months then why wouldn’t an abortion at 8 weeks gestation be considered murder. I can’t answer that question.