The way I see it, none of those arguments fit. The kids probably deserved the sports ban, but the rational used to get that ban has major holes in it.
likwidshoe - 03:01pm on 01/10/2008
Let’s have a Keg party with Red cups!
Zsa Zsa - 03:01pm on 01/10/2008
I don’t agree with not signing the policy contract. Complaining about this being fair or not right is just telling the younger generation that it’s ok to belly ache or complain that their “rights” were violated. For silly sakes you guys… students (kids) need to learn life ain’t always fair so take a tough pill and buck up. You want to play sports at your school and they have a policy then by God you’re going to abide by the policy or you’re not going to play.
Parents and society need to let the students learn and if some times they have to learn the hard way, so be it.
Anna - 03:01pm on 01/10/2008
For silly sakes you guys… students (kids) need to learn life ain’t always fair so take a tough pill and buck up.
That’s a good lesson to learn early, especially from the government who will screw you for the rest of your life.
likwidshoe - 03:01pm on 01/10/2008
We did this weekend for my kid’s State Championship Pop Warner Team. Kids did not drink, but I brought a 5Gal keg of New Belguim (makers of Fat Tire) 2 Below Winter Ale. Red Cups and all. Bought the cups at Sams Club--240 for $9. The Keg was $62.50 at Bevmo. Pretty good deal. Had it at the local park. Funny, but adults are allowed to do that.
I am not a high school kid playing sports, so generally, I am allowed to go to all the keg parties I want. I did encourage several local high school girls to come to the party, but we didn’t have any Boone’s Farm so they declined.
Justin B. - 03:01pm on 01/10/2008
Now I remember what high school was like. I am glad that we didn’t have camera phones and myspace back then. Had some of the shit I did been caught on camera, I wouldn’t ever have a possible political career.
This is something that is hugely problematic. Use of camera phones and so on.
Florence High School will conduct a series of workshops to talk about the importance of good decision-making and social responsibility for students who were at a party where a student was allegedly raped.
The workshops have come in response to allegations that a high school football player raped a 16-year-old girl while his friend snapped pictures with their cell phone cameras.
The rape allegedly occurred in late October at a remote area near Florence where students often go to party and drink.
Administrators with the Florence Unified School District held a meeting for students and parents Thursday night. The group met for two hours and discussed how to discipline students who were at the party.
The workshops will be held outside of the normal school day for at least 15 students who were at the party and might have witnessed the incident. Students who do not attend the workshops will be suspended and athletes who miss the workshops could be banned from certain sports activities, said Larry Cline, a spokesman for the Florence Unified School District.
“We were dismayed that 15 or 16 people could stand by and watch that happen without taking action to prevent it,” Cline said. “We’re just beside ourselves.”
Florence police say a 17-year-old football player raped the girl after she passed out, while the football player says that the sex was consensual.
Detective Walter Hunter with the Florence Police Department said the investigation has been sent to the Pinal County Attorney’s Office, which will review the report and determine what, if any, charges are filed.
Charges could be handed down not only to the football player who allegedly committed the rape, but also to students who might have and taken pictures.
Nope, making these kids attend a workshop is unconstitutional too. The ACLU better sue here, right?
Justin B. - 03:01pm on 01/10/2008
I was head Beer leader in high school and look how well I turned out! Yea Beer!
Zsa Zsa - 03:01pm on 01/10/2008
First of all, let’s agree to separate the student athletes, engaged in voluntary, extra-curricular activities where a “code-of-conduct” requirement would be appropriate, from the rest of the students at Eden Prairie. For the athletes, the conduct pledge was a voluntary part of being allowed to participate in sports or whatever. They should certainly face team suspension, or other athletic consequences fro breaking their voluntary pledge.
For other, non-athletics related students, however, that code-of-conduct is not voluntary at all, since state law requires their presence at school.
Furthermore, the school and its administration are constitutionally established, and as such, are de-facto agents of the state. Any information gathered by school officials regarding the party, could only be done if the students being questioned were advised of their rights, including the right to stay silent and the right to have counsel present during questioning. This was not done, as schools operate under the doctrine of in loco parentis, meaning in essence that schools officials are given the authority to act as if they were parents of the students. Obviously there is a conflict, however, with the officials’ role as agents of the state.
Finally, there is the question of how far the authority of the school extends. Example: most schools ban tobacco products from campus, but the school has no authority to punish a student who lights up a Marlboro across the street from the front door of the school, in plain view of all. Similarly, in this case, the school has no authority to punish students for activities off its campus which would be violations of policy had they occurred on campus.
Bat One - 04:01pm on 01/10/2008
For silly sakes you guys… students (kids) need to learn life ain’t always fair so take a tough pill and buck up.
likwidshoe… as in, learn to take both the ups and downs that life offers without whining and crying, no fair.
Anna - 04:01pm on 01/10/2008
Haha! The kids were drinking soda? Hahaha! They were engaged in the latest youth-craze which has swept across the country. Called BEER PONG, it requires plastic cups usually red. Kids DO NOT drink soda out of cups… they drink it straight out of the can. Kids regard FACEBOOK and MYSPACE as their private, adult-proof domain where they can post anything ! In my view if they post it, they deal with the consequences! Hats off to school officials for being saavy on this one.
So it is either:
The way I see it, none of those arguments fit. The kids probably deserved the sports ban, but the rational used to get that ban has major holes in it.
Let’s have a Keg party with Red cups!
I don’t agree with not signing the policy contract. Complaining about this being fair or not right is just telling the younger generation that it’s ok to belly ache or complain that their “rights” were violated. For silly sakes you guys… students (kids) need to learn life ain’t always fair so take a tough pill and buck up. You want to play sports at your school and they have a policy then by God you’re going to abide by the policy or you’re not going to play.
Parents and society need to let the students learn and if some times they have to learn the hard way, so be it.
For silly sakes you guys… students (kids) need to learn life ain’t always fair so take a tough pill and buck up.
That’s a good lesson to learn early, especially from the government who will screw you for the rest of your life.
We did this weekend for my kid’s State Championship Pop Warner Team. Kids did not drink, but I brought a 5Gal keg of New Belguim (makers of Fat Tire) 2 Below Winter Ale. Red Cups and all. Bought the cups at Sams Club--240 for $9. The Keg was $62.50 at Bevmo. Pretty good deal. Had it at the local park. Funny, but adults are allowed to do that.
I am not a high school kid playing sports, so generally, I am allowed to go to all the keg parties I want. I did encourage several local high school girls to come to the party, but we didn’t have any Boone’s Farm so they declined.
Now I remember what high school was like. I am glad that we didn’t have camera phones and myspace back then. Had some of the shit I did been caught on camera, I wouldn’t ever have a possible political career.
This is something that is hugely problematic. Use of camera phones and so on.
http://www.azcentral.com/community/pinal/articles/1130st-rape1130-ON.html
Nope, making these kids attend a workshop is unconstitutional too. The ACLU better sue here, right?
I was head Beer leader in high school and look how well I turned out! Yea Beer!
First of all, let’s agree to separate the student athletes, engaged in voluntary, extra-curricular activities where a “code-of-conduct” requirement would be appropriate, from the rest of the students at Eden Prairie. For the athletes, the conduct pledge was a voluntary part of being allowed to participate in sports or whatever. They should certainly face team suspension, or other athletic consequences fro breaking their voluntary pledge.
For other, non-athletics related students, however, that code-of-conduct is not voluntary at all, since state law requires their presence at school.
Furthermore, the school and its administration are constitutionally established, and as such, are de-facto agents of the state. Any information gathered by school officials regarding the party, could only be done if the students being questioned were advised of their rights, including the right to stay silent and the right to have counsel present during questioning. This was not done, as schools operate under the doctrine of in loco parentis, meaning in essence that schools officials are given the authority to act as if they were parents of the students. Obviously there is a conflict, however, with the officials’ role as agents of the state.
Finally, there is the question of how far the authority of the school extends. Example: most schools ban tobacco products from campus, but the school has no authority to punish a student who lights up a Marlboro across the street from the front door of the school, in plain view of all. Similarly, in this case, the school has no authority to punish students for activities off its campus which would be violations of policy had they occurred on campus.
likwidshoe… as in, learn to take both the ups and downs that life offers without whining and crying, no fair.
Haha! The kids were drinking soda? Hahaha! They were engaged in the latest youth-craze which has swept across the country. Called BEER PONG, it requires plastic cups usually red. Kids DO NOT drink soda out of cups… they drink it straight out of the can. Kids regard FACEBOOK and MYSPACE as their private, adult-proof domain where they can post anything ! In my view if they post it, they deal with the consequences! Hats off to school officials for being saavy on this one.