More than that, there is no consistency across the major conferences. CCHA refs call penalties all over the place. Watch what happens when a WCHA team plays a CCHA team with CCHA refs. They’re in the box all the time.
ec99 - 04:01pm on 01/12/2008
Sorry Mr. Whistler, I have to disagree with you on this one.
Officials do not determine the outcome of the game, the players do.
To blame a loss on officials by coaches and players is baseless and there is no place for it in the world of sports.
If Wisconsin would have played the whole game the way they did for the last 22 minutes or so, they wouldn’t have been in the position they were at the end.
Creasy - 05:01pm on 01/12/2008
Whistler: Getting your knickers in a knot over hockey??What are you, Canadian???
Proof - 07:01pm on 01/12/2008
Creasy with all due respect Denver is an excellent team and Wisconsin isn’t so much this year. Playing 60 minutes of the game on the road put them in a position to tie the game up.
It was stolen from them by incompetent officials.
When the competition is tight good officiating is crucial.
The Whistler - 10:01pm on 01/12/2008
As a coach myself, my teams have won and lost their share of close games.
Not once have I felt that officials cost or won us the game by missing or making a call.
The outcome of games can seem to hinge on one thing or another, but the truth is players determine the outcome.
Who wins or loses the game is a culmination of things that happen throughout the game, not a last second judgement by an official.
It may seem like it, but it really isn’t the case.
Creasy - 11:01pm on 01/12/2008
Creasy I think your missing the point the Badgers score the game tieing goal but due to the incompetence of the refs that game ended up a loss for the Badgers by no fault to themselves.
Who wins or loses the game is a culmination of things that happen throughout the game, not a last second judgement by an official.
That is false in this case.
goon - 06:01am on 01/13/2008
Creasy I think your missing the point the Badgers score the game tieing goal but due to the incompetence of the refs that game ended up a loss for the Badgers by no fault to themselves.
In this case, we don’t know what replay the official was looking at.
We have a video from YouTube posted by Whistler, not the replay of the goal that the official used to base his call on.
I think you are missing my point of a lot of little things that teams do during the game that gives us the end result of who wins.
Blaming an official for a loss is a weak and lame excuse.
Creasy - 01:01pm on 01/13/2008
In this case the league has apparently admitted they screwed up.
So the score on the ice was tied but due to incompetence the game doesn’t go down that way.
Your way of thinking might be ok for low level amateur sports, but here we’re talking big time athletics. Blaming the kids for a loss when the highly paid officials screw up is just plain wrong.
The Whistler - 02:01pm on 01/13/2008
Your way of thinking might be ok for low level amateur sports, but here we’re talking big time athletics. Blaming the kids for a loss when the highly paid officials screw up is just plain wrong.
Last time I checked, college athletes were also amateurs as well. It doesn’t matter if this happens in the NHL or a high school game. Players determine the outcome.
The officials don’t score goals or make saves for the teams, the players do.
Like I said earlier, if Wisconsin would have played the entire game the way they played the last 22 minutes, there would be no need for the officials to review a play that happened in the last few seconds.
I never blamed the players for losing the game, but they should take responsibility for letting it get to that point, having to make a play to tie the game with seconds on the clock.
Keep in mind that officials are human, they make mistakes. This is part of sports and any fan that expects the officals to be correct on every call they make is impossible.
Officials do not determine the outcome, players do.
Creasy - 03:01pm on 01/13/2008
Last time I checked, college athletes were also amateurs as well.
As I said this is the big time. We certainly have a right to expect big time performance out of the officials who are well compensated. If they fail we need to find someone who will do better.
Players determine the outcome.
Not in this case. The players tied up the game and the referee took it away.
The officials don’t score goals or make saves for the teams, the players do.
But they do take away points in this case. In other cases they make it easier to score or not easier to score.
Like I said earlier, if Wisconsin would have played the entire game the way they played the last 22 minutes, there would be no need for the officials to review a play that happened in the last few seconds.
And if an asteroid had crashed into Magness arena nobody would care. So what that didn’t happen. What did happen is the well paid official handed the game unfairly to one team that didn’t deserve it.
More than that, there is no consistency across the major conferences. CCHA refs call penalties all over the place. Watch what happens when a WCHA team plays a CCHA team with CCHA refs. They’re in the box all the time.
Sorry Mr. Whistler, I have to disagree with you on this one.
Officials do not determine the outcome of the game, the players do.
To blame a loss on officials by coaches and players is baseless and there is no place for it in the world of sports.
If Wisconsin would have played the whole game the way they did for the last 22 minutes or so, they wouldn’t have been in the position they were at the end.
Whistler: Getting your knickers in a knot over hockey??What are you, Canadian???
Creasy with all due respect Denver is an excellent team and Wisconsin isn’t so much this year. Playing 60 minutes of the game on the road put them in a position to tie the game up.
It was stolen from them by incompetent officials.
When the competition is tight good officiating is crucial.
As a coach myself, my teams have won and lost their share of close games.
Not once have I felt that officials cost or won us the game by missing or making a call.
The outcome of games can seem to hinge on one thing or another, but the truth is players determine the outcome.
Who wins or loses the game is a culmination of things that happen throughout the game, not a last second judgement by an official.
It may seem like it, but it really isn’t the case.
Creasy I think your missing the point the Badgers score the game tieing goal but due to the incompetence of the refs that game ended up a loss for the Badgers by no fault to themselves.
That is false in this case.In this case, we don’t know what replay the official was looking at.
We have a video from YouTube posted by Whistler, not the replay of the goal that the official used to base his call on.
I think you are missing my point of a lot of little things that teams do during the game that gives us the end result of who wins.
Blaming an official for a loss is a weak and lame excuse.
In this case the league has apparently admitted they screwed up.
So the score on the ice was tied but due to incompetence the game doesn’t go down that way.
Your way of thinking might be ok for low level amateur sports, but here we’re talking big time athletics. Blaming the kids for a loss when the highly paid officials screw up is just plain wrong.
Last time I checked, college athletes were also amateurs as well. It doesn’t matter if this happens in the NHL or a high school game. Players determine the outcome.
The officials don’t score goals or make saves for the teams, the players do.
Like I said earlier, if Wisconsin would have played the entire game the way they played the last 22 minutes, there would be no need for the officials to review a play that happened in the last few seconds.
I never blamed the players for losing the game, but they should take responsibility for letting it get to that point, having to make a play to tie the game with seconds on the clock.
Keep in mind that officials are human, they make mistakes. This is part of sports and any fan that expects the officals to be correct on every call they make is impossible.
Officials do not determine the outcome, players do.
As I said this is the big time. We certainly have a right to expect big time performance out of the officials who are well compensated. If they fail we need to find someone who will do better.
Not in this case. The players tied up the game and the referee took it away.
But they do take away points in this case. In other cases they make it easier to score or not easier to score.
And if an asteroid had crashed into Magness arena nobody would care. So what that didn’t happen. What did happen is the well paid official handed the game unfairly to one team that didn’t deserve it.