Hey, I don’t particularly want to go there any more, but if you’re going to take my tax dollars you’re going to have to put up with me too.
Wanna be sovereign? Stop taking our tax dollars.
Actually, no they don’t. They get federal dollars based on treaty obligations. They are sovereign and can exclude you. Whether they should is a different matter.
Lestat - 02:02pm on 02/18/2008
Lestat, the money and services we’re giving the tribes far exceeds the obligations laid out in any treaty.
And then there’s the question of whether or not giving them all that is good. Look at what’s happening on the reservations. Crime. Drugs. Alcohol. An entire generation of children growing up without the support of parents.
In North Dakota the statewide unemployment hovers around 3%. On the reservations it is up around 50%. Why do you think that is? Is it racial? Absolutely not. So what are we left with?
The welfare state on the reservations.
They’d be better off if we abolished the reservations - which were never created to benefit the Indians so much as to get them out of the way of westward expansion - and invite them into our communities. Finally.
Rob - 02:02pm on 02/18/2008
Oh, and by the way, while the tribes may have the power to banish people they should certainly follow their own laws and afford the banishees certain constitutional requirements (the bill of rights still applies on the reservations whether the tribes like it or not) like due process, no?
The tribes aren’t even following their own laws, as I noted above.
Rob - 03:02pm on 02/18/2008
Lestat, the money and services we’re giving the tribes far exceeds the obligations laid out in any treaty.
A half a billion dollars was offered in the 1870s for your state. What is the value of that land today?
I may agree with you about what is in the best interest of the reservations. But they are sovereign nations, and it is questionable how the Bill of Rights applies. It is questionalbe about how it applies to the 50 states, it is certainly questionable of how it applies to reservations.
Lestat - 03:02pm on 02/18/2008
Absolutely Rodney Graves.. Molôn Labé!
Anna - 04:02pm on 02/18/2008
The Indian reservations violate their own law, complain like children about the past that existed long before any of us were even born, and then have the nerve to tell us that we should just “accept it”?
Indians are their own worst enemies.
Drink up, dope up, and die young. They’ve earned their lots in life.
likwidshoe - 04:02pm on 02/18/2008
It is sooo disheartening how un informed YOU CHOOSE to be, read up on your American Indian Law and Treaties because then at least with a bit of a knowledge base, you wont sound like an unHappy, unEducated, Arrogant angry American idiot. Just a bit of info to steer you in the right direction, American Indian Freedom of Religion, was passed in 1978!!!!!
This act was passed two years before I was born, I am among the first generation of Native peoples to exercise this “right” (thanks!? for giving us - the right to practice our own traditions in our own homelands....) to the fullest extent, also Native peoples have a whole seperate “Bill of Rights” that does not apply to America. Also America’s “Bill of Rights” does not apply to us. This information is out there if you CHOOSE to learn, but probably not?
Also do the math, for the water, timber, soil, crop production, mineral rights, use and occupation of our lands,....all since 1851. Also the BLOOD of our ancestors, literally. So I encourage you dont be upset about living on our land for free, dont be angry about having to see “us” on the street passing by or in the store, because when you look in our eyes, we see the truth, you are walking, living, and occuping OUR land, regardless how you feel, about your tax dollars, this is the truth. We are LandLords and your rent is way overDue, you been sliding by too long, now you feel angry about having to pay your dues.....
Yellow Lodge - 07:02am on 02/19/2008
They’d be better off if we abolished the reservations - which were never created to benefit the Indians so much as to get them out of the way of westward expansion - and invite them into our communities. Finally.
“They” - “we” ??
Your words are a refelction of who YOU are, and as if after all this “us-they” talk, we’d want to be invited??!! into YOUR communities????? Why don’t YOU want to come to live with “US”—oh wait, your banished.
Also I would like to encourage you to opt for informed rather than settling for ignorance.
Yellow Lodge - 07:02am on 02/19/2008
Yellow Lodge, perhaps you can explain why it’s somehow “racism” when Rob blames the welfare state, and not the Ojibwe of Turtle Mountain, for the condition of the Turtle Mountain Ojibwe. It seems to me that Rob is blaming pasty white folks (like myself) for the situation far more than he did the Ojibwe.
Bike Bubba - 02:02pm on 02/19/2008
WHEN are people going to wake up to what the indian tribes get away with? They think they can do no wrong because other “non-natives” (as they call it) have NO RECOURSE! The Federal gov’t gives these people MILLIONS—no scratch that—BILLIONS of OUR FEDERAL TAX DOLLARS and the tribes have little accountability, no shame is abusing its non-native employees and then say those people have no recourse because the tribes are “soverign.” I am withholding my name because I have been threatened with my life for what I have seen and witnessed. I know for a fact the Tribes are unethical and abusive the priviledge of Federal tax GIFTS (Money). I am quietly going to tell my story—search “lawsuits” and Indian tribes. Find out how many “white” employees have been mistreated, civil rights and liberties abused -by Tribes—all because our Federal gov’t which protects civil liberties (Title 7 laws) allows these Tribal (so-called tribal governments) to run rampant with fraud and abusive practices. Once the American people who are financially hurting really get wind of the true story, we can collectively start telling the Tribes,..."you want to be soverign? then so-be-it. You are on your own” no more federal subsidies, free-bies, handouts, welfare. You are thankful to practice “your own traditions and ways,” then do so without the aid and help of the federal gov’t. and without the help of “whites” and “non-natives” who administer your organizations and help to run your governments.
It’s time Americans stand together and demand civil rights and protections for “tribal governments” or pull the American funding…
Actually, no they don’t. They get federal dollars based on treaty obligations. They are sovereign and can exclude you. Whether they should is a different matter.
Lestat, the money and services we’re giving the tribes far exceeds the obligations laid out in any treaty.
And then there’s the question of whether or not giving them all that is good. Look at what’s happening on the reservations. Crime. Drugs. Alcohol. An entire generation of children growing up without the support of parents.
In North Dakota the statewide unemployment hovers around 3%. On the reservations it is up around 50%. Why do you think that is? Is it racial? Absolutely not. So what are we left with?
The welfare state on the reservations.
They’d be better off if we abolished the reservations - which were never created to benefit the Indians so much as to get them out of the way of westward expansion - and invite them into our communities. Finally.
Oh, and by the way, while the tribes may have the power to banish people they should certainly follow their own laws and afford the banishees certain constitutional requirements (the bill of rights still applies on the reservations whether the tribes like it or not) like due process, no?
The tribes aren’t even following their own laws, as I noted above.
A half a billion dollars was offered in the 1870s for your state. What is the value of that land today?
I may agree with you about what is in the best interest of the reservations. But they are sovereign nations, and it is questionable how the Bill of Rights applies. It is questionalbe about how it applies to the 50 states, it is certainly questionable of how it applies to reservations.
Absolutely Rodney Graves.. Molôn Labé!
The Indian reservations violate their own law, complain like children about the past that existed long before any of us were even born, and then have the nerve to tell us that we should just “accept it”?
Indians are their own worst enemies.
Drink up, dope up, and die young. They’ve earned their lots in life.
It is sooo disheartening how un informed YOU CHOOSE to be, read up on your American Indian Law and Treaties because then at least with a bit of a knowledge base, you wont sound like an unHappy, unEducated, Arrogant angry American idiot. Just a bit of info to steer you in the right direction, American Indian Freedom of Religion, was passed in 1978!!!!!
This act was passed two years before I was born, I am among the first generation of Native peoples to exercise this “right” (thanks!? for giving us - the right to practice our own traditions in our own homelands....) to the fullest extent, also Native peoples have a whole seperate “Bill of Rights” that does not apply to America. Also America’s “Bill of Rights” does not apply to us. This information is out there if you CHOOSE to learn, but probably not?
Also do the math, for the water, timber, soil, crop production, mineral rights, use and occupation of our lands,....all since 1851. Also the BLOOD of our ancestors, literally. So I encourage you dont be upset about living on our land for free, dont be angry about having to see “us” on the street passing by or in the store, because when you look in our eyes, we see the truth, you are walking, living, and occuping OUR land, regardless how you feel, about your tax dollars, this is the truth. We are LandLords and your rent is way overDue, you been sliding by too long, now you feel angry about having to pay your dues.....
They’d be better off if we abolished the reservations - which were never created to benefit the Indians so much as to get them out of the way of westward expansion - and invite them into our communities. Finally.
“They” - “we” ??
Your words are a refelction of who YOU are, and as if after all this “us-they” talk, we’d want to be invited??!! into YOUR communities????? Why don’t YOU want to come to live with “US”—oh wait, your banished.
Also I would like to encourage you to opt for informed rather than settling for ignorance.
Yellow Lodge, perhaps you can explain why it’s somehow “racism” when Rob blames the welfare state, and not the Ojibwe of Turtle Mountain, for the condition of the Turtle Mountain Ojibwe. It seems to me that Rob is blaming pasty white folks (like myself) for the situation far more than he did the Ojibwe.
WHEN are people going to wake up to what the indian tribes get away with? They think they can do no wrong because other “non-natives” (as they call it) have NO RECOURSE! The Federal gov’t gives these people MILLIONS—no scratch that—BILLIONS of OUR FEDERAL TAX DOLLARS and the tribes have little accountability, no shame is abusing its non-native employees and then say those people have no recourse because the tribes are “soverign.” I am withholding my name because I have been threatened with my life for what I have seen and witnessed. I know for a fact the Tribes are unethical and abusive the priviledge of Federal tax GIFTS (Money). I am quietly going to tell my story—search “lawsuits” and Indian tribes. Find out how many “white” employees have been mistreated, civil rights and liberties abused -by Tribes—all because our Federal gov’t which protects civil liberties (Title 7 laws) allows these Tribal (so-called tribal governments) to run rampant with fraud and abusive practices. Once the American people who are financially hurting really get wind of the true story, we can collectively start telling the Tribes,..."you want to be soverign? then so-be-it. You are on your own” no more federal subsidies, free-bies, handouts, welfare. You are thankful to practice “your own traditions and ways,” then do so without the aid and help of the federal gov’t. and without the help of “whites” and “non-natives” who administer your organizations and help to run your governments.
It’s time Americans stand together and demand civil rights and protections for “tribal governments” or pull the American funding…