The next step that was to be taken after the tribal member who threatened to kill me went to the Human Services Board was to take the tribal member’s complaint to the Tribal Council. I was told that the action they would likely take would be to banish me from the reservation. Before that action could be taken, on the recommendation of the facility and my company, I left the community. To this date, I have not been notified if I have been formally banished. But I have to admit, I certainly feel like I was.
JM - 10:02am on 02/18/2008
I saw Byron Dorgan on CSpan the other day arguing in favor of the $3B of annual funding in an Indian Healthcare bill. He said they had been trying to pass this legislation for 10-12 years and that long lines, limited funding, etc prohibited Indians from getting appropriate healthcare.
Arguing another, much more free market solution, I think via an amendment, was Tom Coburn (R-OK). His amendment provided funding for purchasing health care insurance policies and allowed the Indian Tribes to then go anywhere for their health care, i.e. healthcare equal to that available to every other American. It also defined the term “Native American” so that people that were 1/5 of 1% Native American but by far majority something else, could not partake in the Native American healthcare services, like they can now. Such a provision would dramatically reduce the funding needed and some of the long lines Senator Dorgan was so concerned about.
Coburn argued his point very well, after which it went back to Dorgan who said perhaps those ideas would work in Oklahoma but in ND where poor Native Americans would have to drive tens of miles to participate in private healthcare like the other people it would be too difficult. Poor argument Byron.
patriot - 10:02am on 02/18/2008
To this date, I have not been notified if I have been formally banished.
You probably won’t be formally notified in any way. I certainly wasn’t. Were it not for people on the reservation telling me I’d be banished I’d have never known.
Which actually violates the tribe’s own exclusion order law.
Section 39.0110 of their tribal code requires that notice of any banishment hearing be delivered “by personal service, or if such service is not reasonably possible, by registered mail, return receipt requested” to the person to be banned. I received no such notice. That section also requires that any banishment hearing be held by an Exclusion Order Board which is appointed by the tribal council. No such board was convened to my knowledge. Further, that section requires that the person to be banned be afforded an opportunity to attend the hearing, present evidence and speak on his/her own behalf. No such opportunity was afforded to me.
If you were formally banished without the above requirements being fulfilled it was done without the due process both their tribal law, and our nation’s constitution, requires.
Not that the constitution supports the idea of “banishment” in the first place, but still.
Rob - 10:02am on 02/18/2008
They don’t want you there so just accept it and move on.
theydontwantyouthere - 11:02am on 02/18/2008
theydontwantyouthere
You’d do well to follow your own advice.
Rodney Graves - 11:02am on 02/18/2008
They don’t want you there so just accept it and move on.
Fair enough… just be sure to take the tax moneys too.
The miserable decision making skills demonstrated by the Indian tribes is analogous to those of an adolescent runaway who simply wants out of the house and give not thought to where to sleep or what to eat.
As a weapon, spite is usually far more effective against the person wielding it than against the intended victim.
Bat One - 11:02am on 02/18/2008
It is regrettable that the first nation chose to excercise their sovereignty and banish you, however that inherent right predates any written constitution. It is among the more visible vestiges of the fact that when you are on Native America you are in a foreign nation whose laws are supreme.
There are at leat two sides to every story, certainly true in one as dramatic as this. I suggest you might be better off heading back to the parts of the United States that you are comfortable living in. There are laws in every state, territory, first nation, and member of the commonwealth. There are many places where the constitution has no power (West Wing, Cheney’s mind, first nation land, etc.). I would say you were lucky that whatever person who threatened your life didn’t go through with it and you only lost a job.
Good luck.
PS- it is Navajo Nation, not reservation
Two Sides at Least - 02:02pm on 02/18/2008
why dont you just accept the fact that your private vendetta against indian people in the name of justice and free speech is just your own private racism rob??...and if those of you posting comments here say there’s no this or that on reservations ‘we’ should just take our tax dollars back...fine with us...you want your money back? ok, we’ll take all the land back for which the money was paid...that should be the west half of north and south dakota, eastern montana and northeast wyoming....fair trade rob and your fellow minions on this board???
sovereign native man - 02:02pm on 02/18/2008
They don’t want you there so just accept it and move on.
Hey, I don’t particularly want to go there any more, but if you’re going to take my tax dollars you’re going to have to put up with me too.
Wanna be sovereign? Stop taking our tax dollars.
It is among the more visible vestiges of the fact that when you are on Native America you are in a foreign nation whose laws are supreme.
No, it is not a foreign nation. The Constitution still applies, and none of the Indian reservations will be sovereign until they aren’t dependent on the federal government any more.
why dont you just accept the fact that your private vendetta against indian people in the name of justice and free speech is just your own private racism rob??
Because...it’s not racism but a fair and legitimate concern about the rampant crime, substance abuse, unemployment and poverty on the reservations?
you want your money back? ok, we’ll take all the land back for which the money was paid...that should be the west half of north and south dakota, eastern montana and northeast wyoming....fair trade rob and your fellow minions on this board???
Do you really think your people would be better off in that situation given that tribal leadership can’t even run the reservations adequately now?
And what of the people living on that land now? The people who had nothing to do with fighting the Indians? The people who immigrated to this country later and now live on that land? Are you going to kick all of them off? And how would that injustice correct the injustice that was originally done to your people?
I think you need to think this through.
Rob - 02:02pm on 02/18/2008
sovereign native opines:
...we’ll take all the land back for which the money was paid...that should be the west half of north and south dakota, eastern montana and northeast wyoming....
The next step that was to be taken after the tribal member who threatened to kill me went to the Human Services Board was to take the tribal member’s complaint to the Tribal Council. I was told that the action they would likely take would be to banish me from the reservation. Before that action could be taken, on the recommendation of the facility and my company, I left the community. To this date, I have not been notified if I have been formally banished. But I have to admit, I certainly feel like I was.
I saw Byron Dorgan on CSpan the other day arguing in favor of the $3B of annual funding in an Indian Healthcare bill. He said they had been trying to pass this legislation for 10-12 years and that long lines, limited funding, etc prohibited Indians from getting appropriate healthcare.
Arguing another, much more free market solution, I think via an amendment, was Tom Coburn (R-OK). His amendment provided funding for purchasing health care insurance policies and allowed the Indian Tribes to then go anywhere for their health care, i.e. healthcare equal to that available to every other American. It also defined the term “Native American” so that people that were 1/5 of 1% Native American but by far majority something else, could not partake in the Native American healthcare services, like they can now. Such a provision would dramatically reduce the funding needed and some of the long lines Senator Dorgan was so concerned about.
Coburn argued his point very well, after which it went back to Dorgan who said perhaps those ideas would work in Oklahoma but in ND where poor Native Americans would have to drive tens of miles to participate in private healthcare like the other people it would be too difficult. Poor argument Byron.
You probably won’t be formally notified in any way. I certainly wasn’t. Were it not for people on the reservation telling me I’d be banished I’d have never known.
Which actually violates the tribe’s own exclusion order law.
Section 39.0110 of their tribal code requires that notice of any banishment hearing be delivered “by personal service, or if such service is not reasonably possible, by registered mail, return receipt requested” to the person to be banned. I received no such notice. That section also requires that any banishment hearing be held by an Exclusion Order Board which is appointed by the tribal council. No such board was convened to my knowledge. Further, that section requires that the person to be banned be afforded an opportunity to attend the hearing, present evidence and speak on his/her own behalf. No such opportunity was afforded to me.
If you were formally banished without the above requirements being fulfilled it was done without the due process both their tribal law, and our nation’s constitution, requires.
Not that the constitution supports the idea of “banishment” in the first place, but still.
They don’t want you there so just accept it and move on.
theydontwantyouthere
You’d do well to follow your own advice.
Fair enough… just be sure to take the tax moneys too.
The miserable decision making skills demonstrated by the Indian tribes is analogous to those of an adolescent runaway who simply wants out of the house and give not thought to where to sleep or what to eat.
As a weapon, spite is usually far more effective against the person wielding it than against the intended victim.
It is regrettable that the first nation chose to excercise their sovereignty and banish you, however that inherent right predates any written constitution. It is among the more visible vestiges of the fact that when you are on Native America you are in a foreign nation whose laws are supreme.
There are at leat two sides to every story, certainly true in one as dramatic as this. I suggest you might be better off heading back to the parts of the United States that you are comfortable living in. There are laws in every state, territory, first nation, and member of the commonwealth. There are many places where the constitution has no power (West Wing, Cheney’s mind, first nation land, etc.). I would say you were lucky that whatever person who threatened your life didn’t go through with it and you only lost a job.
Good luck.
PS- it is Navajo Nation, not reservation
why dont you just accept the fact that your private vendetta against indian people in the name of justice and free speech is just your own private racism rob??...and if those of you posting comments here say there’s no this or that on reservations ‘we’ should just take our tax dollars back...fine with us...you want your money back? ok, we’ll take all the land back for which the money was paid...that should be the west half of north and south dakota, eastern montana and northeast wyoming....fair trade rob and your fellow minions on this board???
Hey, I don’t particularly want to go there any more, but if you’re going to take my tax dollars you’re going to have to put up with me too.
Wanna be sovereign? Stop taking our tax dollars.
No, it is not a foreign nation. The Constitution still applies, and none of the Indian reservations will be sovereign until they aren’t dependent on the federal government any more.
Because...it’s not racism but a fair and legitimate concern about the rampant crime, substance abuse, unemployment and poverty on the reservations?
Do you really think your people would be better off in that situation given that tribal leadership can’t even run the reservations adequately now?
And what of the people living on that land now? The people who had nothing to do with fighting the Indians? The people who immigrated to this country later and now live on that land? Are you going to kick all of them off? And how would that injustice correct the injustice that was originally done to your people?
I think you need to think this through.
sovereign native opines:
Molon Labe